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Yes, but if Adelaide hadn't killed herself, the timeline would've remained altered. The potential was there. For a moment, it WAS changed.
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care... or why it should be necessary to prove it at all."
That's very true....... I would have liked had she chosen not to......Just to mix things up.
Gotta love the illusion of free will.
Adelaide had no choice, she never did. Even entertaining the notion that she did is just silly. Oh sure, she wanted to live, save her team and all the rest of that heroic stuff, but the Doctor TOLD her what the cost of her survival would be, and as a hero, she did what she felt she must.
The only thing that changed was weather she died on Earth, or Mars, which is shown in the Doctors memory of the news articles, nothing else changed.
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Gotta love the illusion of free will.
Adelaide had no choice, she never did. Even entertaining the notion that she did is just silly. Oh sure, she wanted to live, save her team and all the rest of that heroic stuff, but the Doctor TOLD her what the cost of her survival would be, and as a hero, she did what she felt she must.
The only thing that changed was weather she died on Earth, or Mars, which is shown in the Doctors memory of the news articles, nothing else changed.
But for the briefest moment, the fixed point becamed fluxed. Adelaide's suicide wasn't predetermined.
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care... or why it should be necessary to prove it at all."
But for the briefest moment, the fixed point becamed fluxed. Adelaide's suicide wasn't predetermined.
Wasn't it?
Pompeii became a non fixed point in time according to that logic due to the interference of the Pyroviles, but that very interference became the reason why the Doctor not only let it blow, but caused it.
Fixed points are simply that, they WILL happen, no matter what, and the Doctor even says it himself, the more he tries to interfere, the more he causes the event. I'll Agree it's entirely out of character for the doctor, to accept "pre destiny", but I think that's more because the bigger his ego gets, the bigger "smack down" he needs. In the end, all he changed was where Adelaide died, and created the "mystery" of how she got to Earth at all, rather than why she caused the nuclear explosion on Mars.
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ALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.
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Wasn't it?
Pompeii became a non fixed point in time according to that logic due to the interference of the Pyroviles, but that very interference became the reason why the Doctor not only let it blow, but caused it.
Fixed points are simply that, they WILL happen, no matter what, and the Doctor even says it himself, the more he tries to interfere, the more he causes the event. I'll Agree it's entirely out of character for the doctor, to accept "pre destiny", but I think that's more because the bigger his ego gets, the bigger "smack down" he needs. In the end, all he changed was where Adelaide died, and created the "mystery" of how she got to Earth at all, rather than why she caused the nuclear explosion on Mars.
True, but if he hadn't told Adelaide the truth, she wouldn't have killed herself. Adelaide made the conscious choice to restore the timeline.
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care... or why it should be necessary to prove it at all."
He gave Adelaide foreknowledge of her fate and the power to choose.
Also, it's "Time Lord Victorious".
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care... or why it should be necessary to prove it at all."
I re-watched this last night. It's just dawned on me that Rupert/Danny Pink was living in the West Country Children's Home, Gloucester, at the same time (early 1990s) that Amy, Rory and Mels were growing up in Leadworth, a short distance away. I don't know if that is of any significance, but it's.... interesting.
I'm still fascinated by the toy soldier.
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I think this was one of my favorite episodes of the season. Hoping to see more of that toy soldier. I think it'd be cool if it had a larger part in Clara's overall story.
This was a great episode. One of my favourites too.
I think we will hear more about that toy soldier. There is a big chunk of the puzzle missing. How did that soldier get from the young Doctor and into the toy box at Gloucester Children's home? Did the Doctor put it there? If so, why? Or did somebody else? Again, why? I have my own theory about that.
I think we will be hearing more about Danny Pink as well.
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