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    EPISODE NUMBER - 3404 (804)
    The Doctor and Clara go in search of a creature that the Doctor believes everyone dreams about in the dark, and wind up in Danny Pink's past and at the very end of the universe.

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    Guess I'll start then...

    There's definitely something drifting into this season: "is any of it real?" Last week, we had Robin being a robot, or not. Now we have things under the bed, that aren't.

    More when I've seen it again.

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    i was hoping Mr Pink will be like Clara was with the Doctor, turning up in her timelines.
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    Can we talk about the soldier toy.. and how Awesome (I misheard ) Orson Pink said it was something passed down through his family. It seemed they were hinting Clara was his great grandmother, but then the toy was left with the Doctor as a child.

    Which raises a lot of questions...

    Is Pinky a Timelord?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    Can we talk about the soldier toy.. and how Awesome (I misheard ) Orson Pink said it was something passed down through his family. It seemed they were hinting Clara was his great grandmother, but then the toy was left with the Doctor as a child.

    Which raises a lot of questions...

    Is Pinky a Timelord?
    I was wondering that. Well not Pink being a Timelord, I don't think that's the case, but I wonder if Clara gets that Danny and the Doctor's timeline's are a little more interwoven and he or she will get the soldier back at some stage.

    Also.... was anyone else thinking about 'Midnight' when they were at the planet at the end of the universe?
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    I was thinking "Silence" when The Doctor was describing "the monster" ..if there was one at all...

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    Interesting seeing the picture of Captain John (Torchwood) in the preview for next week. Saw a few characters who'd appeared in Torchwood (John), Who (Sliveen) and SJA (The Trickster).

    That said, I am really curious about who was under the blanket, who wrote listen and what was at the door. Perhaps it's not really important, but I would guess something that's always there to be something worth exploring.

    I can't say I like the foreshadowing of Pink possibly joining as a companion and the relationship with Clara. I'm not a fan of Moffet showing us the future then deciding to change his mind about it. It's not worked well in the past, I can't see it working now. Starting a relationship is fine, him becoming a potential companion is fine, but I think established grand kids and time travel is going a bit far. That's assuming it turns out to be her as the great grandmother.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    Can we talk about the soldier toy.. and how Awesome (I misheard ) Orson Pink said it was something passed down through his family.
    I made the same mistake

    Returning to the apparent theme of 'is it real', the whole getting to paradise and "this is heaven" are all in the same vein.

    The episode itself is very difficult, as last week's, in stylistic terms to those of Matt and even David. Could be better for the series but may alienate the younger fans...

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    Random thoughts.........

    Spoiler:
    And what was that line "he'll never be a timelord if he doesn't stop crying?" Wow, just wow?

    So that was child Doctor? and his mummy and daddy?

    Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And they live in a house with a barn, how odd for timelords?

    Oh and why won't Clara tell the Doctor about the child Rupert Pink she met being a younger version of Danny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    Random thoughts.........

    Spoiler:
    And what was that line "he'll never be a timelord if he doesn't stop crying?" Wow, just wow?

    So that was child Doctor? and his mummy and daddy?

    Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And they live in a house with a barn, how odd for timelords?

    Oh and why won't Clara tell the Doctor about the child Rupert Pink she met being a younger version of Danny?
    [spoiler] Well we have no idea if they were his mum and dad or not but you can possibly presume so. The line about his crying seemed like the kinda thing many a harsh parent has said to their child. You need to remember though Coco that just because he's Gallifreyan, it doesn't instantly make him a Timelord by default. Remember in the Sound of Drums the Doctor said children of gallifrey were taken from their families at the age of eight, but he never said it was every child.

    As for Clara, it's fairly natural that she wouldn't tell the Doctor about Danny because as far as she's concerned from Into the Dalek, the Doctor would not approve of him...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    I was thinking "Silence" when The Doctor was describing "the monster" ..if there was one at all...
    Same, very similar to the Silence. maybe the Doctor is dreaming and Missy is real?
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    Best episode so far this season, Capaldi's settled in the role (starting to love his snarky, slightly darker, tactless, frequently clueless and hugging-averse Doctor), Clara's more interesting than she's ever been and though bits of it felt forced or weak, overall I felt this episode was rather good.
    And now it's time for one last bow, like all your other selves. Eleven's hour is over now... the clock is striking Twelve's.

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    Only since when has the TARDIS had that feature where you hold on and it follows the passenger's flight plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    Only since when has the TARDIS had that feature where you hold on and it follows the passenger's flight plan?
    Since the Doctor got it to put in a direct neural interface into the telepathic circuits? He redesigns the console every so often after all. Maybe he just decided that rather than the psychic link he has with the TARDIS anyway, he could do with one for other uses on occasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    Since the Doctor got it to put in a direct neural interface into the telepathic circuits? He redesigns the console every so often after all. Maybe he just decided that rather than the psychic link he has with the TARDIS anyway, he could do with one for other uses on occasion.

    Seems awful convenient for this episode

    I can think of a number of times that feature could have come in handy.

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    Great stuff! I loved this episode. Certainly my favorite Capaldi ep so far.
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    What's at the corner of the mirror?

    Sister of Mine continues her mission to troll the Doctor.
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    What a brilliant episode! Loved it.

    Some great funny quotes -

    "You said you had a date. I thought Id better hide in the bedroom in case you brought him home."

    "Why do you need three mirrors? Can't you just turn your head?"

    "You've taken your make up off"
    "No I haven't"
    "OK well you probably just missed a bit."

    "What's wrong with your face? It's all eyes. Get them under control."

    "Orson Pink?" "Yeah, I laughed too."

    "She's doing that all eyes thing. It's because her face is so wide. She needs 3 mirrors."

    "Do you come with your own mood lighting 'cos frankly the accent is enough."

    "No, no no. Not the hugging. I'm against the hugging."

    Some random thoughts.

    Loved the whole scene in Rupert/Danny's bedroom particularly the "being scared is a super power" speech. I wonder how many children are going to take that to their hearts & use it? Oh and "A soldier so brave he doesn't need a gun. He can keep the whole world safe." & " The deep and lovely dark... you would never see the stars without it." Brilliant.

    I can imagine 4th Doctor behaving the way the 12th Doctor does in this episode. Is it just me that is seeing more & more of Sarah Jane in Clara as the series progresses? Clara has grown on me loads.

    Seeing plenty of parallels - something under the bed, children's home, something to be afraid of that can't be seen, corner of your eye, end of the universe etc. Something else that did briefly cross my mind was actually something from Sherlock. When the waiter in the restaurant asks Clara & Danny if they want "Water for the table?", it just reminded me a bit of 'Sherlock', when Sherlock reveals to John that he is still alive. Is the waiter of more importance than he appears? Or just a waiter.

    At the end of the universe when the Doctor is talking about not hearing anything. I had a bit of a giggle as it reminded me of

    Kryten: Listen! Can anyone hear anything?
    Cat: (Pause. There is silence.) No.
    Kryten: Precisely. No one can hear anything! And you know WHY we can't hear anything?
    Rimmer: Why?
    Kryten: (In the Voice Of Doom) Because there are NO sounds to hear.
    Rimmer: Kryten, isn't it round about this time of year that your head goes back to the lab for re-tuning?

    Absolutely loved the ending. I assumed that the crying little boy was going to be Danny... but then... Wow! Words fail me. Super emotional. BTW I just adore seeing little pieces of the Doctor's past. The 3rd Doctor talking to Jo about the "Daisiest daisy" is one of my faves too.

    "Sontarans perverting the course of human history" Echoes of the 4th Doctor in Robot, and the 1st Doctor, "Fear makes companions of us all."

    I love what Jenna calls a "Moffat loop" where Clara tells the Doctor something that she has already heard him say.

    My mind is boggling somewhat about the toy soldier.

    9.5/10 - Favourite episode of this series so far, and potentially one of my best ever episodes.


    Edit - I've just seen someone mention that "Listen" is an anagram of "Silent".
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    1. The Clara-Danny thing is a bit cheesy!

    2. But the fact that she wound up in Danny's timeline was a good laugh!

    3. Clara comforting kid-Doctor? Puhleese!

    Generally very creepy though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    Seems awful convenient for this episode

    I can think of a number of times that feature could have come in handy.
    True but it was hardly fool proof. I mean, yes, by chance they found their way to Rupert who had just had the dream, but The Doctor wanted to go to Clara's past, not Danny's. Now the TARDIS probably locked in on Danny because of her and his relationship and the future they had together, resulting in Orson. However, from the Doctor's point of view that's still pretty temperamental if you don't quite know where you're going to end up and indeed might end up anyway if the subject's thoughts stray just a little. Plus ordinarily there are other means to track down the source of what he's after, in this case he was hunting down something as vague as a dream which doesn't leave a lot of options.
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