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Originally posted by Blencathra View PostIs that supposed to be some sort of personal dig? Because I think you will find we were discussing the Doctor's opinion, not our own personal ideology.
Anyway, I apologise for the comment nevertheless, irritable mood - slightly stressed. Need some R&R.Last edited by Flyboy; 03 September 2014, 02:36 PM.
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Originally posted by Flyboy View PostBlen, never I know you were. There was one particular comment from someone else that got under my skin a little. But it wasn't you.
Anyway, I apologise for the comment nevertheless, irritable mood - slightly stressed. Need some R&R.
I wanted to make it absolutely clear that I was trying to get inside the Doctor's head and determine what his motive might be for not taking Journey with him. I was not having a go at the military in any way.Last edited by Blencathra; 04 September 2014, 12:35 AM.
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Originally posted by Greenee View PostSure, he IS an alien and as such, he is bound to have other moral standards. BUT, he acts very human, and the humans are his favourite race [oh, I just discovered, that race (biol.) and race as in motor race, is exectly the same, how weird].
Sure, it's for teh viewers to connect with the character, but nevertheless, his morals in many ways are prety close to human moral, and by comparing him to what little I've seen from the timelords, he'd probbably made rather a good human than a good timelord.
IS the Doctor a good "man"??
Of course he is, he has saved our little dustball for millennia, looking over us as a silent observer and interfering when he felt he must, especially when other races wanted to interfere with us.
As for "good and evil" I'm not sure, if evil is the right opposite. I thought the question is, if he is good or bad, which is a slightly different thing. Is he evil? Certainly not, because he's not by purpose.
Is he bad, because he keeps failing in his struggle to be good? Well, I guess, we could debate about that for ages. I still won't say, he is a soldier, but I can't deny he is fighting somekind of war.
No I haven't (though beeing from a beer-drinking country myself, even if I don't drink beer, I can imagine ) But, well they shouldn't drik beer while watching their favourite TV-show, thansigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostHe act's "human" because compassion and care are universal concepts, we just happen to think we created them.
Sure, but again, giving a care is not a uniquely human attribute.
IS the Doctor a good "man"??
Of course he is, he has saved our little dustball for millennia, looking over us as a silent observer and interfering when he felt he must, especially when other races wanted to interfere with us.
To be fair, the doctor did save the ood from the humans and, he usualy tries to helb the week. So I quess he is rather a good man. But what makes him good, is tring to defend the right kind of group, that he is struggeling to do the right kind of think. But his actions are not bejond questioning, and they aren't shown as if they were (maybe that is, what makes him more human than anything else?). That's what I like about this show, as I mointed out before.
Or where you referring to "man" as human. Then you you're right of course. I was referring to man as one man = person
So your point of difference is intent??
He is no soldier, at worst he is a General, with no desire to command his potential troops.
Who is on (first run) at 4:30am on a Sunday morning here dude, You are either still up, or waking up. I watch it at around 7am because my kids make me be awake, so I may as well watch some Who
Blen, never I know you were. There was one particular comment from someone else that got under my skin a little. But it wasn't you.
Anyway, I apologise for the comment nevertheless, irritable mood - slightly stressed. Need some R&R.Nobody asked me, if I wanted to live. So don't anyone tell me how I shoul lead my life.
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Originally posted by Greenee View PostBut as it is, I rather share the doctors opinion on soldiers and military. I don't think, that soldiers are generally bad people and I'me sure a lot of them are rather nice. But I just personaly can't imagine, why people voluntiere to shout people, if they are told to. I just wish it wherent necessary that there is such a thing as military. Do you get my point?sigpic
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Actually I think it would make for an awesome story if the Doctor had to save an alien civilization from humans..... The reverse of say that story with the Sycorax and only it's not them invading but humans...... That might be fun to see the shoe on the other foot and humans as the aggressors...Go home aliens, go home!!!!
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Originally posted by Coco Pops View PostActually I think it would make for an awesome story if the Doctor had to save an alien civilization from humans..... The reverse of say that story with the Sycorax and only it's not them invading but humans...... That might be fun to see the shoe on the other foot and humans as the aggressors...
P.S. I don't think this Doctor's gonna have much love for UNIT. Sorry, Flyboy."I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care... or why it should be necessary to prove it at all."
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Originally posted by Spimman View PostI think this post is naive to reality at best, and in actuality quite offensive.
But one can have ideals, even if they are utopic, can't he/she?
Oh, and bay the way. I believe, that DW, especialy this episode reflects this dilemma very well: You can't win a war/ fight an army without becoming/creating a soldier your self.Nobody asked me, if I wanted to live. So don't anyone tell me how I shoul lead my life.
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Originally posted by rushy View PostWell, there's Planet Of The Ood, but yeah, considering how far humanity advances(to the end of the universe!), it's quite surprising there hasn't been any evil groups or tyrants showing up.
I like Sharky
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It'd be great if the Doctor discovered that they became a Time Lord-like race in the future(Time Agency, anyone?) and has to deal with authority looking over his shoulder(kind of like his original relationship with the Brigadier) once more.
And I don't want future humans to be played as the bad guys here."I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care... or why it should be necessary to prove it at all."
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"Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many."
Moffat tends to pander to the fans a lot lately, but he's still got it where it counts I believe."I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care... or why it should be necessary to prove it at all."
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Originally posted by Coco Pops View PostActually I think it would make for an awesome story if the Doctor had to save an alien civilization from humans..... The reverse of say that story with the Sycorax and only it's not them invading but humans...... That might be fun to see the shoe on the other foot and humans as the aggressors...
In the end the Doctor is forced to take a stand and stop the UNIT ships, but he also makes sure the sycorax can't retaliate either.Please do me a huge favour and help me be with the love of my life.
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Originally posted by P-90_177 View PostI actually devised a follow up story to the Christmas invasion, coco, where in the future when Earth has finally gained space capability, UNIT is waging war on the sycorax themselves. The Doctor materialises aboard one of their ships where the admiral of the fleet explains that their in a war for their survival and fighting for survival, which the Doctor is ready to believe (as he tends to do with UNIT commanders), only to discover later that the ship is loaded with nuclear warheads and after pressing the issue for a while figures out that they're going all Ender on the sycorax and going for their homeworld. Doctor gets real pissed off and gives a whole speech about how the sycorax aren't some faceless evil enemy, but a culture that is filled with history and life that is just as equal as earth's and reveals that the sycorax started out as the same as earth, just defending themselves.
In the end the Doctor is forced to take a stand and stop the UNIT ships, but he also makes sure the sycorax can't retaliate either.
See that would be totally awesome......... Why can't you take Moffat's place?Go home aliens, go home!!!!
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