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    Visit the Episode GuideDOCTOR WHO SPECIALS
    THE DAY OF THE DOCTOR

    The Doctor crosses with his own timeline when a hole is torn in the fabric of reality, reuniting with two previous incarnations in order to save the Earth from a cunning Zygon infiltration ... and seal the fate of Gallifrey forever.

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    Absolutely amazing! This will definitely need to be rewatched, but its an interesting concept, and a nice twist to see Capaldi!

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    I don't mind admitting - I was actually in tears. Moffat you beautiful, beautiful human... thank you.
    And now it's time for one last bow, like all your other selves. Eleven's hour is over now... the clock is striking Twelve's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    Absolutely amazing! This will definitely need to be rewatched, but its an interesting concept, and a nice twist to see Capaldi!
    what about the surprise at the very end? that was amazing......

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    I was actually hoping to hear there were more than 13 Doctors at the end. Hearing Eleven talk would make it seem like there were more than just War Doctor. The little glimpse of Twleve though, loved it. Just not sure what to make of Fourth making an appearance. Future Doctor starting to look like previous incarnations maybe.

    I have to say though, I was disappointed with the war. The war, especially when Tenth describes it to The Master during 'The End of Days', sounded much worse than just the Dalek's bombarding the planet. They seemed to have also forgotten that the Time Lord Council were just as bad and wanted to end all of creation to save themselves. Tenth listed a whole bunch of things that would come through when Gallifrey escaped the time lock, so it really begs the question, who time locked it?I just feel like a part of Tenth's departure has been retconned massively. When he ended the war, he was completely justified as it meant saving the universe from the Time Lords as well. That said, if they do ever find Gallifrey, The Master should be there since he got trapped back inside the lock as it was a few days before the war ended.

    It was a really enjoyable episode, but again shows how Moffat doesn't really care that much about consistency. He just does whatever he thinks seems cool. Yeah the time stream will correct itself so a whole bunch of new events in The Doctors past will just be forgotten, including the fact he never wiped out his people.



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    Id kinda worked it out while watching, as Moffat had said it would change his objective so to say, but it was still a very nice surprise...

    Question is, how long will it take for him to find it? Will that be the 100th Anniversary? lol

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    I know that when I watch it again (and again, and again, and again...) I'll be more critical, apt to notice plot holes larger than the TARDIS interior and logic leaps, but honestly, if nothing else, it succeeded and more than exceeded my expectactions in terms of sheer spectacle and entertainment.
    And now it's time for one last bow, like all your other selves. Eleven's hour is over now... the clock is striking Twelve's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealurk View Post
    I know that when I watch it again (and again, and again, and again...) I'll be more critical, apt to notice plot holes larger than the TARDIS interior and logic leaps, but honestly, if nothing else, it succeeded and more than exceeded my expectactions in terms of sheer spectacle and entertainment.
    Yeah, I need to watch it again too to take it all in...

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    As with everyone else, a second viewing is required. Largely because I was there, with the great unwashed public, in the cinema for the whole 3D experience thing. Sorry BBC, it was pants. Once or twice it was 3D-happening, but basically pointless. If I'd wanted to spend an hour and half with a child kicking me in the kidneys I could have borrowed a niece...

    Anyway, just two things for now:
    a) picky-1: at the beginning when they first ran into the National Gallery, the Doctor and Clara left the TARDIS door open.
    b) so "game-changing" means "retcon the entire reincarnated show"? [not sure it does, actually, but need to think about it]

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    I thought it could have done with more story.

    And there the massive plot hole that if the Gallifrey returned to our universe, then what stopped the ground council from destroying our universe through their plan to save their own hive and ascend, which was one of the reasons the Doctor chose to use the Moment.
    An if Bad Wolf was able to enter the time lock why didn't she take care of the Daleks, like she said she did?

    Plus what happen to the shape shifters storyline, did we negotiate a treaty with them? Where did they go to live on Earth. How could a government ever trust aliens that can appear as anyone.

    A great opportunity to give an enemy some depth and less 2d missed, great opportunity to give some depth to humanity as wel.

    what story there was, was good but it just to thread bear, to many plot holes for it to be great episode. It needed to be a good
    10-15 minute longer. Thank god the Daleks were just a sideshow.

    3.5/5 From me I am afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knowles2 View Post
    It reconned everything we know about Gallifrey, the Time Lords and reconned bits of Bad Wolf storyline.
    I wouldn't say it retconned anything to do with Bad Wolf, it just picked Rose (although the clothing was wrong) from the short period of time when at the end of season one when she absorbed the Heart of the TARDIS.

    That said, it did retcon the ending of the war. I can accept timelines being corrected removing all memories of their futures (it's been done before), but it does make a crazy bit of sense but there are just too many unanswered questions. Since The Doctor originally remembers the war ending with Gallifrey burning, what changed this time around? Presumably The Moment showed War Doctor a moment in time and he pushed the button anyway, or did he? If he didn't push the button originally but remembers pushing it, then where did those memories come from?

    It really skipped over the whole ascension idea, so that will have to be dealt with, but this is Moffat were talking about. It probably won't be addressed for a season or two and then we'll find out The Doctor remembers everything but was just pretending not to. He's been doing that with River for a while



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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberBlade View Post
    I wouldn't say it retconned anything to do with Bad Wolf, it just picked Rose (although the clothing was wrong) from the short period of time when at the end of season one when she absorbed the Heart of the TARDIS.

    That said, it did retcon the ending of the war. I can accept timelines being corrected removing all memories of their futures (it's been done before), but it does make a crazy bit of sense but there are just too many unanswered questions. Since The Doctor originally remembers the war ending with Gallifrey burning, what changed this time around? Presumably The Moment showed War Doctor a moment in time and he pushed the button anyway, or did he? If he didn't push the button originally but remembers pushing it, then where did those memories come from?

    It really skipped over the whole ascension idea, so that will have to be dealt with, but this is Moffat were talking about. It probably won't be addressed for a season or two and then we'll find out The Doctor remembers everything but was just pretending not to. He's been doing that with River for a while
    I thought there was a hint perhaps that this was really bad wolf pretending to be the moment, why choose Rose Tylrr then switch to Bad Wolf or may be I am just stretching things.

    But I am certain they made it clear that Matt Smith Doctor will remember everything but Tennent and Hurt Doctor won't remember any of it when they rejoined their time stream, that way the universe get to protect the timeline/timestream. Through those dragons from season 1 of new Doctor Who have well and truly been forgotten.

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    Time Lords chose the ascension and destroying the universe instead of using the moment and confronting their choices. Ain't that a bit cowardly?

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    One of my favourite lines has to be John Hurt "Oh the pointing again, they're screwdrivers, what are you going to do, assemble a cabinet at them?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    Absolutely amazing! This will definitely need to be rewatched, but its an interesting concept, and a nice twist to see Capaldi!
    Absolutely amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knowles2 View Post
    Time Lords chose the ascension and destroying the universe instead of using the moment and confronting their choices. Ain't that a bit cowardly?
    If this episode has done anything, it's shown there were two forces at work during the war, the High Council and the Gallifrey High Command. It was even said when the High Command first appeared "The High Council is in session. They have plans of their own". Who is to say that the Final Solution (ascension) was anything more than Time Lord/High Council wanting to save themselves as opposed to the millions, or billions of regular Gallifreyans and the High Command. This would seem, as you put it, cowardly but ultimately not a choice the people made.

    With 'The End of Time', I had assumed The Doctor stopped his people from wiping out everyone else, but this suggests it wasn't his people, but the Time Lords themselves. It would make his actions even more traumatic because he killed all those innocent Gallifreyans to stop the Time Lords from carrying out their own plan, while the rest of the planet fought for survival. War Doctor even says "Time Lords of Gallifrey, Daleks of Skarro, I serve notice on you all". He really didn't want to kill the people on his planet, just stop Time Lords and Daleks.

    With that, that really makes what The Doctor went through so tragic because he had to live with and cope with the consequences of his actions, and that's not including what he actually did during the war (he regenerated young and was an old man at the end) so there was a lot of things he had to deal with. It really would have been terrific development for the character and great back story, but nope, none of it actually happened. We don't know if he ever actually pushed that button. If the memories of him burning Gallifrey to end the war are even real. Instead we get a Ninth (presumably Nine since we didn't see the whole regeneration) who is tormented by memories that never actually happened.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberBlade View Post
    I was actually hoping to hear there were more than 13 Doctors at the end. Hearing Eleven talk would make it seem like there were more than just War Doctor. The little glimpse of Twleve though, loved it. Just not sure what to make of Fourth making an appearance. Future Doctor starting to look like previous incarnations maybe.

    I have to say though, I was disappointed with the war. The war, especially when Tenth describes it to The Master during 'The End of Days', sounded much worse than just the Dalek's bombarding the planet. They seemed to have also forgotten that the Time Lord Council were just as bad and wanted to end all of creation to save themselves. Tenth listed a whole bunch of things that would come through when Gallifrey escaped the time lock, so it really begs the question, who time locked it?I just feel like a part of Tenth's departure has been retconned massively. When he ended the war, he was completely justified as it meant saving the universe from the Time Lords as well. That said, if they do ever find Gallifrey, The Master should be there since he got trapped back inside the lock as it was a few days before the war ended.

    It was a really enjoyable episode, but again shows how Moffat doesn't really care that much about consistency. He just does whatever he thinks seems cool. Yeah the time stream will correct itself so a whole bunch of new events in The Doctors past will just be forgotten, including the fact he never wiped out his people.
    It wasn't the whole war. The War had been fought for so much longer. The Night of the Doctor shows that the rest of the universe considers Timelords to be as bad as The Daleks. Day of the Doctor just shows that the Daleks were winning and fought the timelords back to Gallifrey.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    Id kinda worked it out while watching, as Moffat had said it would change his objective so to say, but it was still a very nice surprise...

    Question is, how long will it take for him to find it? Will that be the 100th Anniversary? lol
    Well we know Peter Capaldi was there. I'm gonna guess that it was the moment when he discovers how to get there himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowles2 View Post
    I thought it could have done with more story.

    And there the massive plot hole that if the Gallifrey returned to our universe, then what stopped the ground council from destroying our universe through their plan to save their own hive and ascend, which was one of the reasons the Doctor chose to use the Moment.
    An if Bad Wolf was able to enter the time lock why didn't she take care of the Daleks, like she said she did?

    Plus what happen to the shape shifters storyline, did we negotiate a treaty with them? Where did they go to live on Earth. How could a government ever trust aliens that can appear as anyone.

    A great opportunity to give an enemy some depth and less 2d missed, great opportunity to give some depth to humanity as wel.

    what story there was, was good but it just to thread bear, to many plot holes for it to be great episode. It needed to be a good
    10-15 minute longer. Thank god the Daleks were just a sideshow.

    3.5/5 From me I am afraid.
    It's not a plot hole! The general in Arcadia said the Timelords had their own plans to save Gallifrey, so in the hours before The War Doctor used the moment, that is where the end of Time comes in. But we know that the Doctor stopped their break out from the time lock, and we also know that the Master was in the middle of killing Rassilon. Now Rassilon was the one who was truly hooked on the idea of ascension, and besides everything else, Gallifrey is essentially issolated away from everything else in the rest of the universe. In essence like in one of the 3D paintings. There is no plot hole.
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    Omg


    People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint... it happens to kinda look like the name 'Jeremy Bearimy' in cursive English.

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    Brilliant Episode! Ah this one was good...makes my whole weekend to see new Doctor Who!

    I wouldn't mind having one of those big red buttons......
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    Wonder what the viewing figures will be...

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