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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Freyr View Post
    Puh-leeze. No power tools required. It's a programming problem to have the gate do what it usually does but without establishing a wormhole. Hell it could even make a wormhole, so long as it doesn't dump its buffer into the wormhole. The show's writers could easily have some combination of Eli, Destiny, Ginn, and Dr. [I-forget-her-name] solve the problem.
    IIRC on that episode, they required some cabling to connect/interface directly the gate with a DHD.. those were the tools mentioned.. Power is another issue as he gate being an older variant may not even do the standard 'storing stuff in the buffer', plus he will need to use power to get it working enough to store himself (AND leave some sort of kino footage warning to eveyrone else to bring him out when they wake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    IIRC on that episode, they required some cabling to connect/interface directly the gate with a DHD.. those were the tools mentioned..
    Except (as I keep saying time after time and people like you continue to ignore..) the gate on destiny is A_L_R_E_A_D_Y hooked up to destinys dialling computer which isn't just a bog standard DHD, it's a computerized interface that is programmable.

    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Power is another issue as he gate being an older variant may not even do the standard 'storing stuff in the buffer'
    Well it does though doesn't it. When they were rushing to get back aboard destiny via the gate when they found the lime someone stuck their arm in the puddle to keep the connection open. Their arm/hand didn't materialise on destiny so it IS IN A BUFFER. Why is this so hard to accept for so many people?

    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    plus he will need to use power to get it working enough to store himself
    Yes which will probably be less than 2 weeks power keeping the entire ship running. Result.

    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    (AND leave some sort of kino footage warning to eveyrone else to bring him out when they wake.
    Yeah I've mentioned leaving a note on the dialling computer previously..

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    What Energizer said.

    We can assume the gate stores power, since we haven't been told otherwise. Let's not make up more obstacles then already exist. Eli needs enough power to get into the buffer, and it would be up to the show's writers to decide if Eli has that power or not. Again, let's not make up new obstacles. Remember, the writers could create whatever solutions please them, as long as those solutions don't contradict earlier episodes.

    Everyone will be in stasis, except Eli in the buffer. Destiny's computer can kick him out of the buffer as soon as the ship re-fuels. Or Ginn can tell the computer do it, if you prefer the story that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    Thats fair enough but you keep coming up with power hungry ideas and ignoring the fact that people need clean air to breathe. It's a bit disturbing really to think that you can't quite grasp these basic concepts.
    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Power is another issue as he gate being an older variant may not even do the standard 'storing stuff in the buffer', plus he will need to use power to get it working enough to store himself (AND leave some sort of kino footage warning to eveyrone else to bring him out when they wake.
    Energizer_Vs_ZPM, Gotta love the irony. Didn't you just rant on to me about how there wasn't enough power to keep the lights on then immediately come up with some massive power requirement solution of your own which would need far more power than what I proposed. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Freyr View Post

    We can assume the gate stores power, since we haven't been told otherwise. Let's not make up more obstacles then already exist. Eli needs enough power to get into the buffer, and it would be up to the show's writers to decide if Eli has that power or not. Again, let's not make up new obstacles. Remember, the writers could create whatever solutions please them, as long as those solutions don't contradict earlier episodes.
    I'm all for this. It's just too fiddly arguing over the power when we don't really know all the details of what Eli and the writers could do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    Survival.. interesting word of choice. See if Eli starves himself of oxygen by not going into stasis in 3 years he could be found alive by the crew but be brain dead. He's still technically survived.
    Actually, No. If you don't breathe you just die.

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    Yes I have taken a dislike to the minimal surival option because it is not workable:
    1) No-one can stay cooped up in a small space for three years with no entertainment. Even prisoners get a bit of contact with prison guards and other inmates unless they've been confined to solitary.
    Let me get this straight; You think Eli will die because there is no entertainment. Hmm No.
    Although if you were paying attention you would have seen that I said he'd be using the stones anyway so I doubt he'd be short of stuff to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    <railgun>Not sure it even needs a high-tech solution.</railgun>
    Thats an attack on the hi tech idea.
    Not sure how me saying a low tech solution could work can be interpreted as an attack against any other solution. It's just a statement of fact.

    I maintain that in order to survive for 3 years on Destiny Eli will need to:
    1) Have enough oxygen
    2) Have enough food
    3) Have enough water
    4) Be able to keep his body temperature at 37C
    5) Not be exposed to harmful radiation or chemicals

    Note none of these directly say anything about power although some will need a very small amount of power(which Eli has at his disposal).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lythisrose View Post
    What David Blue thinks happened to Eli:
    "I do think Eli survived," Blue said. "I think he would have figured out a way to get the power back on and gone on his own adventures for three years or more. And I'd like to believe that's what happened, and that's what's still happening, and maybe one day we'll find out what those adventures were."

    http://www.blastr.com/2013-2-26/davi...medium=twitter
    I actually think that if the writers do not do something completely different and allow the Destiny to reach the next galaxy, Eli will be awake on the ship and able to take some action that will save the ship and crew from certain death/inconvenience.

    One option might be that Eli realises his original calculations were off and the ship will take thousands of years drifting in space. So he takes the decision to stop the engines early and uses the power saved to gate to a planet on the outer edge of the galaxy. He then needs to seek out someone who can assist him to return to Destiny and restore power. Sets it up nicely for Eli's solo adventures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    Energizer_Vs_ZPM, Gotta love the irony. Didn't you just rant on to me about how there wasn't enough power to keep the lights on then immediately come up with some massive power requirement solution of your own which would need far more power than what I proposed.
    Yeah but the gates use mega power for wormhole transmissions. Just demolecularising someone and storing the matter stream may not use a lot of power. We know that even when destiny is on empty it can still hold back enough power to keep the shields running (Light for instance) so I think its fair to assume that using the gate to store a matter stream will use less power than running a shuttle for three years.

    As for the stones to entertain oneself... yeah thats possible but then you'd still have to confine Eli to being around the SGC / Homeworld Command area so he comes back at short notice. You couldn't leave someone on destiny for days at a time could you. Plus we don't know if the stones support remote sleep either so it's not like you could send someone there for a snooze either. Not really a plausible idea for 3 years and besides, the box the stones use needs power too - again from destiny. It just isn't feasable to run a shuttle for 3 years sapping power from the main ship although as I said before, I still don't see why destiny can't power up to max speed and then just drift the rest of the way with no drag to slow it down (which would of course then leave spare power).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    Yeah but the gates use mega power for wormhole transmissions. Just demolecularising someone and storing the matter stream may not use a lot of power. We know that even when destiny is on empty it can still hold back enough power to keep the shields running (Light for instance) so I think its fair to assume that using the gate to store a matter stream will use less power than running a shuttle for three years.
    There is no way to assess the relative power requirements. It's not like we can just fire up a stargate and measure it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    the box the stones use needs power too - again from destiny.
    The stones aren't powered by Destiny. The device must have an Ancient internal power source. Remember the ones found in Merlin's the cave in England that sent Valla to the Ori, and the similar device at the Ori end that was an Archaeological relic. So they are a self contained communication system not integrated with the ship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    as I said before, I still don't see why destiny can't power up to max speed and then just drift the rest of the way with no drag to slow it down (which would of course then leave spare power).
    FTL travel is beyond our current level of Physics so we can't say why they need the power. We just have to accept that they said they did.

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    I would like to believe that Eli fixed the Stasis and every one wakened at the time they should have. In my mind SG:U has at least five seasons and a movie so in that logic he should have better fixed the stasis pod.

    Btw guys from Big Finish, I know you do SG1 and Atlantis Audio Dramas, why don't you develop some from the SG:U Storylines ? Maybe one that centers Eli and the aftermaths of the second season. I would buy that.

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    Since it seemed that the shuttle had it's own power I think Eli might find a way to keep it up as a liveable space for the 3 years on the energy it would have taken to stasis him. Where he has access to the databases of destiny and the time travelled decendants. When they get to where they're going Eli is basically Rush having had no human contact for three years. And yet better than Rush because he's better at math and now has a vast knowledge and understanding of Destiny's technology.

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    They would have spotted something as obvious as the shuttle at the time. And what about water, food and air?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow_7 View Post
    Since it seemed that the shuttle had it's own power I think Eli might find a way to keep it up as a liveable space for the 3 years
    We've already had this discussion. The lack of a toilet would be a huge problem so I'll leave it at that before going into the rest of the argument against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow_7 View Post
    Since it seemed that the shuttle had it's own power I think Eli might find a way to keep it up as a liveable space for the 3 years
    We've already had this discussion. The lack of a toilet would be a huge problem so I'll leave it at that before going into the rest of the argument against it.
    Actually, as Brother Freyr mentioned, Joe Mallozzi released the plans for what was to happen, and the shuttle was the most likely scenario, because just fixing the pod was too easy, and anything more elaborate would seem contrived.

    He mentioned using the shuttle along with the docking bay corridor to create a living space. Eli's plan would wind up failing, and they would run out of power far short of the next galaxy. Within the first moments of the opener, Carter, McKay, and Daniel would gate onto the ship with Telford and further support teams/equipment, having solved the lack of power issue somewhere between 2 and 10 years.

    They jokingly batted around different time scales, but thought 2-3 would be enough time that there's been only subtle changes on Earth, or Mallozzi personally advocating 10 years, because in that time, all of the crews' families would have moved on, creating a huge mine of story lines from the heroes' struggle coping with that.

    Mallozzi also mentioned a fan theory that he liked, but was too out of character for Eli. When I read it, I instantly loved it, because it would've been an unbelievably gutsy move:
    Eli to Young: “I’m smarter than him. And all three of us know it.”

    Rush isn’t just defined by his intelligence, though; it’s his Machiavellian use of it. What if Eli started down that same path? He’s standing on the balcony smiling because he’s got everyone right where he wants them.

    Eli’s had total control of the drones since he brought that one on to the ship. He’s kept them attacking Destiny, but not destroying it, so that everyone would have no choice but to follow his plan and get into the stasis pods. One of them “happened” to malfunction, so he wouldn’t have to go into stasis.

    Of course, one might wonder how he was able to control the drone attacks while simultaneously fighting them off. But the answer’s simple: he has an accomplice, Ginn. He didn’t keep her program in quarantine; he just wanted everyone to think that, so she could carry out her part of the plan covertly.

    Now, with a drone army and control of Destiny, he can reawaken the crew members that he likes, turn Destiny around, and start taking over the galaxy, with the infrastructure created by the civilization that his alternate self built.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripple in Space View Post
    Actually, as Brother Freyr mentioned, Joe Mallozzi released the plans for what was to happen, and the shuttle was the most likely scenario, because just fixing the pod was too easy, and anything more elaborate would seem contrived.
    Where was this released? - Do you have a url?

    Unless you can back up this claim (which you haven't yet) then what is the point mentioning it? The whole idea seems unworkable.

    As for the drones idea, clever kinda but eli iisn't that sort of person and neither was Ginn. I do however like the idea of him having the ability to control them if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    Where was this released? - Do you have a url?

    Unless you can back up this claim (which you haven't yet) then what is the point mentioning it? The whole idea seems unworkable.
    Let's try to maintain a friendly tone here. As Brother Freyr's post in this thread says, this post is in Joe Mallozzi's blog. It is in his May 12, 2011 wordpress entry. Cheers

    For clarity's sake, none of us (including JM) were saying that the shuttle is the definitive solution--there won't be one unless the producers are allowed to put out a film or book. My point was, go easier on Shadow_7, because his theory is just as valid as anyone else's--especially since it stands closest to what the producers had planned.
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    I'm glad that Joe Mallozzi added weight to the shuttle as a way for Eli to survive. I'm not too keen on the rest of it though.

    OK it could be possible for SG1 to come up with another power source given enough time and a bit of luck, but this just seems like a repeat of Atlantis Series 2 Ep 1. A bit of an anti climax as I was hoping for something really new and unexpected.

    The idea that Eli could control the drones just by bringing one on board for a short time is totally ridiculous.
    Why didn't the Ursini think of that one? The drones just destroyed their entire civilisation and it appeared they had been fighting for some time.

    Besides which how could one drone belonging to one command ship give Eli the ability to control all of the drones across the entire galaxy. And how did he manage to keep controlling them once Young had it destroyed? It's all too far fetched to be feasible.

    It's also hard to see why Eli would be prepared to destroy the seed ship, damage Destiny, lose the shuttle, and put the crew at serious risk. Even Rush would not go this far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripple in Space View Post
    Actually, as Brother Freyr mentioned, Joe Mallozzi released the plans for what was to happen, and the shuttle was the most likely scenario, because just fixing the pod was too easy, and anything more elaborate would seem contrived.
    Might just be a language thing but surely if Joe Malozzi released the "plan" it wouldn't be for a "most likely scenario" it would be for the "actual solution"...? Otherwise, it's just him guessing as much as us...

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    right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripple in Space View Post
    Let's try to maintain a friendly tone here. As Brother Freyr's post in this thread says, this post is in Joe Mallozzi's blog. It is in his May 12, 2011 wordpress entry. Cheers
    Never read that one but I did read one the other day where someone asked him (via the mailbag) about destinys gates, destinys age etc and even Mallozi himself had no definitive answer other than something along the lines of "i suppose so".

    The impression I get is they make up certain bits as they go along with no proper definitive plan.

    Again, how would Eli survive with no food, water, toilet, air supply etc on a small shuttle? It's unworkable and if the producers were serious about this idea then SGU was going to go down the pan pretty quickly.

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    I suppose it's entirely possible they hadn't yet decided how to fix the problem... that they were assuming that they would only need to bother with a solution if they were renewed.

    It's lazy but they could always have found another seed ship. Functional fault, e.g. in the engines, but still with loads of power.

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    There is a hundred ways they could have fixed the situation, thats what writers do. The shuttle could have worked combined with an EVA suit and a convenient find of food stores. He could also have fixed a stasis pod or many other ways, maybe hooked the shuttle into the ships systems to provide power to a limited area, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durgia View Post
    There is a hundred ways they could have fixed the situation, thats what writers do.
    Exactly
    Quote Originally Posted by Durgia View Post
    TThe shuttle could have worked combined with an EVA suit and a convenient find of food stores.
    That's the hard bit, not coming up with unbelievable options. Three years of crossing the inter-galactic void, there is literally nothing there. So no little moons stuffed with handy food supplies. And much repeated, at a practical level, there's no toilet on the shuttle.

    I wonder if he could save sufficient energy by turning off the auto-gravity. Though I definitely got the impression that food/water were the bigger problem.

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