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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    NOpe/ As i mentioned before, both with the Teal'c incident and in 38 minutes (SGA) the gate storing the data was cause it received it via an incoming wormhole. i cannot remember us diaing out to store something, just the connect up we used to REINTEGRATE teal'c..
    So the fact remains, he still won't get into the gate to be stored.
    How many more times must I repeat this?

    *JUST BECAUSE* thats how it was done in 48 hours does not mean the stargate cannot be reconfigured. There IS a buffer there built into the stargate to hold the matter stream. That means with some tinkering / reprogramming, the stargate can be instructed to do things differently - taking the matter through the demolecularisation process and storing it in the buffer as normal but NOT sending it.

    A bit like when you send an email in outlook but you go into the options and change then to "Do not deliver before xxxxx". Next you'll be telling me that Outlook (with MS Exchange) doesn't do that...

    The point is, Destiny is not a normal ship. It's gate it not a normal gate, they are hooked up together. Destiny can communicate with many stargates directly (so far the only ship we know that can do this) and its stargate has two programming consoles in the gate room.

    Why can't you get used to this idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    NOpe/ As i mentioned before, both with the Teal'c incident and in 38 minutes (SGA) the gate storing the data was cause it received it via an incoming wormhole. i cannot remember us diaing out to store something, just the connect up we used to REINTEGRATE teal'c..
    So the fact remains, he still won't get into the gate to be stored.
    It's true that we never saw anyone stored in the "dialing out" stargate's buffer, but SG-1 episodes told us that the "sending" gate doesn't send an object through the wormhole until it detects that the complete object has passed the event horizon. That's why you can stick your arm in and pull it back out. The wormhole can't detect if you're whole body is through or not, or whether your whole ship is through or not. The wormhole doesn't wait and then say, aha, now that you've stepped completely into me, I'll send you to the other end. Technology does that. And that means the stargate. Presumably, the way to accomplish it is with a buffer, the same buffer that a receiving stargate uses to store incoming objects before re-materializing them. How can that be, you ask? How can something both pass the event horizon and simultaneously be held back by the gate? We don't know. It's not as if we understand how these fictional stargates interface with these fictional wormholes. The stargate mythology, however, does support the possibility of Eli figuring out how to use the stargate's outgoing functionality to store himself in the outgoing gate's buffer. Without a wormhole. Doesn't matter that we didn't see it happen before. We know there's a buffer. We know stargates don't allow outgoing objects through the wormhole until the entire object is through the horizon, presumably by using the same buffer it uses for the same function on the receiving end. There's nothing in the stargate mythology to suggest it can't be done, and there's a fair bit of evidence that it can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    How many more times must I repeat this?

    *JUST BECAUSE* thats how it was done in 48 hours does not mean the stargate cannot be reconfigured. There IS a buffer there built into the stargate to hold the matter stream. That means with some tinkering / reprogramming, the stargate can be instructed to do things differently - taking the matter through the demolecularisation process and storing it in the buffer as normal but NOT sending it.
    OK.. And where is eli going to get the power/tools/info on how to do said modifications/instruction/reprogramming etcfrom?

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    Re-watching 'Tangent', O'Neill and Teal'c are trapped in an experimental fighter with failing life support. Teal'c is able to conserve Oxygen significantly by going into a deep state of kel'no'reem.

    Eli could use the stones to swap with a Jaffa and use this tactic to reduce his physical needs.

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    What David Blue thinks happened to Eli:
    "I do think Eli survived," Blue said. "I think he would have figured out a way to get the power back on and gone on his own adventures for three years or more. And I'd like to believe that's what happened, and that's what's still happening, and maybe one day we'll find out what those adventures were."

    http://www.blastr.com/2013-2-26/davi...medium=twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    OK.. And where is eli going to get the power/tools/info on how to do said modifications/instruction/reprogramming etcfrom?
    Puh-leeze. No power tools required. It's a programming problem to have the gate do what it usually does but without establishing a wormhole. Hell it could even make a wormhole, so long as it doesn't dump its buffer into the wormhole. The show's writers could easily have some combination of Eli, Destiny, Ginn, and Dr. [I-forget-her-name] solve the problem.

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    Eli locates a star with a drone command ship where Destinty can recharge. He reconfigures the shields to the narrow frequency that makes Desting virtually invulnerable to the drone weapons fire and programs the computer to revert to full spectrum shields if the drones start kamikaze runs. He does the same with the shuttle.

    He drops out of FTL a short distance away, but out of drone sensor range sends the shuttle in first, but when the drone command ship launches the drones the shuttle runs away drawing the drones away from the drone command ship. Destiny then jumps in to engage the drone command ship. It should be an easy battle with no drone support. The drone command ship is destroyed.

    Eli takes Destiny into the star to recharge and then picks up as many of the dormant drones as he can.
    He reprograms the drones massively increasing Destiny's weapons capability for the next encounter.

    No more need for the 3 years stasis thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilenceOz View Post
    Did Eli fix the Stasis pod or come up with another solution?
    Unless someone writes a book to resolve the cliffhanger, we'll never know.

    Quote Originally Posted by SilenceOz View Post
    What solutions would you use for the 2 weeks he had left?
    I'd use the stones to get Carter and McKay to take turns in my body, fixing the stasis pod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    Eli locates a star with a seed ship
    The point of the problem being that they're crossing an inter-galactic void where there are no stars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    Eli could use the stones to swap with a Jaffa and use this tactic to reduce his physical needs.
    What.. for 3 years? - No food, no water, nothing.. for 3 years...

    Railgun, you seriously need to get a grip on reality. Frankly I think he has a better chance of ascension.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    Eli locates a star with a seed ship where Destinty can recharge.
    In the middle of nowhere between galaxies? Ok, sure in the last episode Eli did talk about skimming round the edge of the galaxy and bypassing it technically meaning that he could still in theory spot a star to recharge from but they had already determined the location of all the drones and decided that there was nowhere to recharge from.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    He reconfigures the shields to the narrow frequency that makes Desting virtually invulnerable to the drone weapons fire and programs the computer to revert to full spectrum shields if the drones start kamikaze runs. He does the same with the shuttle.

    He drops out of FTL a short distance away, but out of drone sensor range sends the shuttle in first, but when the seed ship launches the drones the shuttle runs away drawing the drones away from the seed ship. Destiny then jumps in to engage the seed ship. It should be an easy battle with no drone support. The seed ship is destroyed.

    Eli takes Destiny into the star to recharge and then picks up as many of the dormant drones as he can.
    He reprograms the drones massively increasing Destiny's weapons capability for the next encounter.

    No more need for the 3 years stasis thing.
    Apart from the random star that doesn't exist, the rest of it I like and I'd been planning on using the large number of dead drones idea myself in my fanfic but this would be more than a one man job. It took them 3 people in a shuttle just to catch ONE then 4-6 to carry it aboard destiny. How on earth do you think Eli could do that by himself? - he couldn't.

    For someone who has a degree in chemistry I find your ideas hard to believe. Not only do you think he could survive in a shuttle (even though theres not enough power for its life support) but you also think he could use a bucket or go and dump in destiny when there is no life support. Seriously Railgun, I don't actually believe you have a degree in chemistry, you're just not mature and forward thinking enough (thats not intended as an insult but more of a fact).

    You're also muddling up the seed and drone command ships too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman37 View Post
    I'd use the stones to get Carter and McKay to take turns in my body, fixing the stasis pod.
    Yeah but out of the two of them who would you actually TRUST to get it done the right way? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    What.. for 3 years? - No food, no water, nothing.. for 3 years...

    Railgun, you seriously need to get a grip on reality. Frankly I think he has a better chance of ascension.
    Lol, You funny!
    In reality it is perfectly possible for Eli to survive. In YOUR fictional universe it is not. And even though Stargate is fictional I think the writers like to at least try to stay within the bounds on MOST already provable physical constraints. Arguably not everything though since they have FTL, but I'm assuming the Ancients are somewhat smarter than Einstein and prove his theories wrong at some point.

    Did you watch the news today? Some billionare is going to send 2 people to Mars and back in 500 days in a tiny space capsule. This is science FACT.
    How do you think they are going to survive? They have way less stuff than Eli. It is reported they will be drinking their own sweat during the journey!

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    In the middle of nowhere between galaxies? Ok, sure in the last episode Eli did talk about skimming round the edge of the galaxy and bypassing it technically meaning that he could still in theory spot a star to recharge from but they had already determined the location of all the drones and decided that there was nowhere to recharge from.
    OK, well they are not in the middle of nowhere though. The whole point of the journey is to travel through the rest of the galaxy that they are in(which is blockaded by drones) and then cross the space between the galaxies into the next galaxy. Since they only just went into stasis they are well and truly still within the galaxy with lots of stars to choose from. in fact we even saw the huge number of stars that they would pass in show as it was mentioned that they were all blockaded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    Apart from the random star that doesn't exist, the rest of it I like and I'd been planning on using the large number of dead drones idea myself in my fanfic but this would be more than a one man job. It took them 3 people in a shuttle just to catch ONE then 4-6 to carry it aboard destiny. How on earth do you think Eli could do that by himself? - he couldn't.

    For someone who has a degree in chemistry I find your ideas hard to believe. Not only do you think he could survive in a shuttle (even though theres not enough power for its life support) but you also think he could use a bucket or go and dump in destiny when there is no life support. Seriously Railgun, I don't actually believe you have a degree in chemistry, you're just not mature and forward thinking enough (thats not intended as an insult but more of a fact).
    I don't see any reason why Eli couldn't wake up some or all of the crew to help him. Their requirement to be in satsis is now negated by the new plan.


    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    You're also muddling up the seed and drone command ships too.
    OK, yeah you are right I meant to say drones command ship. That was a typo.

    You know, they didn't teach us much Stargate on my Chemistry course lol

    Also, As to the original question. Although I don't think Eli actually needs to go into stasis as there are several alternatives( As mentioned ). If he did want to try to go into stasis it may still be possible. On the assumption that the Ancient pods work Cryogenically, ie freeze the person. If he can get the freezing part to work he could then evacuate a room in the ship and allow the nothingness of space to keep him cool. The others could then figure a way to revive him once they come out of the stasis pods at the end of the 3years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    Did you watch the news today? Some billionare is going to send 2 people to Mars and back in 500 days in a tiny space capsule. This is science FACT. How do you think they are going to survive? They have way less stuff than Eli. It is reported they will be drinking their own sweat during the journey!
    The difference is that the capsule will be fully powered to its design specification. Every system will be running at full capacity and with a spare or two. Even if that means recycling sweat, that's what's been designed. On Destiny there will be no power and all systems are designed for "normal" use. To recycle bodily water would need further modification, which there is very little time (and no power) to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizziard View Post
    The difference is that the capsule will be fully powered to its design specification. Every system will be running at full capacity and with a spare or two. Even if that means recycling sweat, that's what's been designed. On Destiny there will be no power and all systems are designed for "normal" use. To recycle bodily water would need further modification, which there is very little time (and no power) to do.
    Where does it say this about "normal use" in the show? The truth is we don't know that much about what Destiny was designed to call "normal" in the first place.

    The Ancient space suit is documented as having the facility for the wearer to relieve themselves while wearing.(http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Ancie...ronmental_suit)
    It is also air tight so will capture all moisture lost as sweat. So it's either going to have a nozzle somewhere to decant the dirty water off or possibly has a self cleaning system built in. It is advanced Ancient tech after all so I wouldn't put it past them!

    In the event that the water is not cleaned by the suit there would still be the possibility of cleaning the water up manually using water purification tablets which are standard military issue so would likely have been brought through in the original journey. Eli should check the luggage. failing that I don't think it's beyond the bounds of his ingenuity to come up with a makeshift survival water purifier. It's likely all military personnel have been trained on this anyway in case they end up stranded in a war situation without clean water.

    Considering that they had a nice pool of water for Dr Park to jump in I'd say they arn't really that short of water anyway. It's always possible Destiny has some in a non-essential cooling subsystem(or the like) somewhere that could be syphoned off too. It's a big ship.

    Actually, when you really think about it, Destiny is also mostly sealed to space so the water vapour given off by the crew will likely just condense somewhere probably on the outer walls of the craft or a purpose built condenser,and be collected by some automated system of the ship, otherwise where is all that water going?

    I think Rush found a swimming pool but kept it secret.
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    You know Railgun, with each post you make where you try to drag Destiny into a situation you made up instead of going with the plot / storyline provided, I loose more and more respect for you.

    There is a stargate onboard the ship. We know that the gates can store matter streams in their buffers. We know the stargates hold complex computers and we know that Destiny is linked directly to its stargate allowing it to be computer controlled directly.

    Now you're aware of this knowledge and that your colleagues are all in stasis, not aging, not growing beards and not alone. What would you want to do? - Fix the pod / use the stargate for preservation OR struggle for 3 years in almost disgusting conditions with no power to even keep you alive? - Knowing that when the crew wake (to air which they can barely breath - see next paragraph) that they'll see you looking like a disgusting tramp. Then there are the laundry requirements.. presumably there is a laundry system onboard destiny (although we've never seen it).. where is 3 years of power coming for that?

    While you keep banging on about the lack of need for life support, I've already explained this one to you. When the crew are woken up, they'll be woken to a ship full of carbon dioxide and will not be able to breath. Thats why the life support is pretty important but you still refuse to accept this.

    In your last post you suggested that they use a shuttle to distract the drones. Slight problem there.. the drones split into groups and attack multiple targets. Oh and they only have _O_N_E_ shuttle left to use. Remember they used the second one to blow the hell out of another command ship at the end of s2. Do you really think they'll waste their one and only shuttle now? - I certainly don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilenceOz View Post
    Did Eli fix the Stasis pod or come up with another solution?

    Thoughts?
    I like to think that he fixed the pod. He was one of the best characters on the whole show, so I can't imagine them killing him off if the series was to have continued.


    What solutions would you use for the 2 weeks he had left?
    Well, me not being an engineer-type, my solution would have been to spend 2 weeks getting drunk and making peace with myself before my inevitable death.
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    One thing nobody has mentioned yet, is that we don't know how they work the gravity. Either it's some exotic material or it's powered. If the latter, presumably quite costly in power terms... though I noticed that all sorts of systems went off willy-nilly in "Darkness" without affecting gravity in any way. Anyway, he should be able to override the controls to remove gravity from everywhere he isn't, the same way he can shut off life-support to all the areas of the ship he's not in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    You know Railgun, with each post you make where you try to drag Destiny into a situation you made up instead of going with the plot / storyline provided, I loose more and more respect for you.
    Energizer_Vs_ZPM, I don't know why you are taking this so personnally. You didn't like my idea; I provided evidence to back up that it would work; You got upset and started sulking.

    I'm not going against the storyline/plot at all. The storyline ended and left us with this question because it was NOT in the storyline(to date/ever since it was cancelled). All I am trying to do is look at what possible alternatives Eli could follow to survive given the predicament that the show left him in.

    I would stress that I am discussing ALL possible options for Eli, and have actually put forward several different distinct and separate options myself which could possibly lead to his survival, and others have also added other ideas of their own. I am not suggesting that Eli has to combine all the suggestions I have made together into one big mother-of-all strategies. They are in fact not compatible enough to do that.

    You seem to have taken particular distain to the idea of the minimal survival option, but unless you can put forward some credible evidence to prove that it could not work I still believe it is a possible solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    There is a stargate on-board the ship. We know that the gates can store matter streams in their buffers. We know the stargates' hold complex computers and we know that Destiny is linked directly to its stargate allowing it to be computer controlled directly.

    Now you're aware of this knowledge and that your colleagues are all in stasis, not aging, not growing beards and not alone. What would you want to do? - Fix the pod / use the stargate for preservation OR struggle for 3 years in almost disgusting conditions with no power to even keep you alive? - Knowing that when the crew wake (to air which they can barely breath - see next paragraph) that they'll see you looking like a disgusting tramp. Then there are the laundry requirements.. presumably there is a laundry system onboard destiny (although we've never seen it).. where is 3 years of power coming for that?
    Could Eli use the Gate and computer in some way, possibly. I haven't attacked that idea by putting forward an alternative. I am interested to read others thoughts on this line of thinking also.

    For me I think that doing the obvious is not in character for Eli. I want to see some novel out-of-the-box thinking from him. To say Eli fixed the stasis pod would just be an anti-climax. I want to see Eli come up with something truly clever, unique and unexpected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    While you keep banging on about the lack of need for life support, I've already explained this one to you. When the crew are woken up, they'll be woken to a ship full of carbon dioxide and will not be able to breath. Thats why the life support is pretty important but you still refuse to accept this.
    I don't know why you keep coming back to this line of argument I have already answered this point previously.
    There is no problem with carbon dioxide because they have CO2 scrubbers using either the Lime or advanced Novan substance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
    In your last post you suggested that they use a shuttle to distract the drones. Slight problem there.. the drones split into groups and attack multiple targets. Oh and they only have _O_N_E_ shuttle left to use. Remember they used the second one to blow the hell out of another command ship at the end of s2. Do you really think they'll waste their one and only shuttle now? - I certainly don't
    You didn't read the strategy properly. I clearly said that only the shuttle would approach the drone command ship.
    ie There are not multiple targets for the drones to attack

    AND that the shuttle would then run away.
    ie the drones will never get close enough to fire on the shuttle.

    AND that the shields of the shuttle had been switched to the narrow frequency.
    ie in the unlikely event that the shuttle was hit by drone weapons fire it wouldn't do any damage.

    So there is not much risk to the shuttle with this plan at all.
    If they got into any difficulties they could also send out the jamming signal to temporarily disable the drones while they get away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quizziard View Post
    One thing nobody has mentioned yet, is that we don't know how they work the gravity. Either it's some exotic material or it's powered. If the latter, presumably quite costly in power terms... though I noticed that all sorts of systems went off willy-nilly in "Darkness" without affecting gravity in any way. Anyway, he should be able to override the controls to remove gravity from everywhere he isn't, the same way he can shut off life-support to all the areas of the ship he's not in.
    My theory for this would be that the ship is built around a speck of super dense dark matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    Energizer_Vs_ZPM, I don't know why you are taking this so personnally.
    Considering what you said to me a few posts back..

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    You didn't like my idea; I provided evidence to back up that it would work
    No, you provided unworkable ideas. Things like someone staying in an area (shuttle) smaller than their own living room for 3 years without even having a toilet or anything to entertain themselves. No-one can do that and stay sane especially without a toilet. You never answered my question about being able to survive underwater without breathing either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    I'm not going against the storyline/plot at all.
    Not much. It's been clearly told that there isn't enough power for more than a couple of weeks. Somehow you expect life support to run for years with Eli running around or a Jaffa being onboard for 3 years via the stones putting Elis body into a trance. With no air, food, water and power, that just won't work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    The storyline ended and left us with this question because it was NOT in the storyline(to date/ever since it was cancelled).
    You're right however it WAS in the storyline that they had no other realistic option and little spare power left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    All I am trying to do is look at what possible alternatives Eli could follow to survive given the predicament that the show left him in.
    Thats fair enough but you keep coming up with power hungry ideas and ignoring the fact that people need clean air to breathe. It's a bit disturbing really to think that you can't quite grasp these basic concepts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    I would stress that I am discussing ALL possible options for Eli, and have actually put forward several different distinct and separate options myself which could possibly lead to his survival
    Survival.. interesting word of choice. See if Eli starves himself of oxygen by not going into stasis in 3 years he could be found alive by the crew but be brain dead. He's still technically survived.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    You seem to have taken particular distain to the idea of the minimal survival option, but unless you can put forward some credible evidence to prove that it could not work I still believe it is a possible solution.
    Yes I have taken a dislike to the minimal surival option because it is not workable:
    1) No-one can stay cooped up in a small space for three years with no entertainment. Even prisoners get a bit of contact with prison guards and other inmates unless they've been confined to solitary.
    2) You need fresh clean air to breathe and a toilet that removes waste.
    3) Destiny is shot.. ok it's a cool ship but it's had its day, can't hold full power reserves and is pretty much crippled to the point where its on its last legs. The recently announced mars mission will be a new ship that is designed to do its job and last. The crew will be trained to survive and the systems will be designed to work properly. Destiny is a rustbucket with lots of things no longer working. The ship travelling to mars isn't going to be like this is it. It won't be a rustbucket full of holes with multiple systems that haven't worked for thousands of years. There is a huge difference so i don't understand your point in trying to use that to sway the argument to make your ideas workable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    Could Eli use the Gate and computer in some way, possibly. I haven't attacked that idea by putting forward an alternative.
    Actually, you have. In post 2, KEK put forward the gate storage idea. In post 27 you clearly said:
    Not sure it even needs a high-tech solution.
    Thats an attack on the hi tech idea.

    Then you put forward your idea (which you just said you didn't do):
    I think Eli lives in the shuttle or space suit for the duration and probably has enough food/water/oxygen just for himself since everyone else is in stasis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    For me I think that doing the obvious is not in character for Eli.
    So they discover the stasis pods and just an episode or two later, Eli comes up with the obvious of putting everyone into stasis to make the galaxial jump. You think he doesn't do the obvious? Eli came up with the idea of grabbing a dormant drone to study it and see what they could do with it. You think he doesn't do the obvious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    I want to see some novel out-of-the-box thinking from him.
    Using the gate would be just that. Sitting around in a shuttle that is draining destinys power.. now thats not out of the box is it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    To say Eli fixed the stasis pod would just be an anti-climax. I want to see Eli come up with something truly clever, unique and unexpected.
    Yes, which is why the gate would be a good idea where he either stores himself or is transferred from the gate to destiny itself so he can interact with Ginn but still be restored via the gate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    I don't know why you keep coming back to this line of argument I have already answered this point previously.
    There is no problem with carbon dioxide because they have CO2 scrubbers using either the Lime or advanced Novan substance.
    Yes but the air must still be pumped through them. They may naturally work passively but they are small canisters serving a very large ship. Do you not remember when they first replaced the lime, we saw air bubbles in the canisters where the air was being pumped through them? (I suspect you'll ignore this point again). It's a big ship. In order to scrub enough CO2 from the air, they would need to pump it through the canisters not just let the canisters passively and slowly scrub the air. I'm not saying you are wrong about them working passively, all I am saying is that they are active and considering the size of the ship, they need to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    You didn't read the strategy properly. I clearly said that only the shuttle would approach the drone command ship.
    ie There are not multiple targets for the drones to attack

    AND that the shuttle would then run away.
    ie the drones will never get close enough to fire on the shuttle.
    We know that destiny struggles to outrun the drones. We know the shuttle is slower than destiny.

    Which do you think will be faster? - The shuttle or the drones? Which one do you think will be at a disadvantage?

    The drones are faster, the shuttle will loose. Sure it may be like new but against so many drones it simply won't last long.

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    AND that the shields of the shuttle had been switched to the narrow frequency.
    ie in the unlikely event that the shuttle was hit by drone weapons fire it wouldn't do any damage.
    So instead they'll go kamakaze instead and just wipe the shuttle right out like they tried with destiny..

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    So there is not much risk to the shuttle with this plan at all.
    No.. not if you consider the loss of your only shuttle a minor issue. What happens the next time they need to go down to a planets surface or investigate another space ship wreck or even go aboard an alien ship like Scott and Chloe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Railgun View Post
    If they got into any difficulties they could also send out the jamming signal to temporarily disable the drones while they get away.
    Now you're talking! I like this however Eli has said in the past that he can't do this quickly but I am in agreement with you here that as long as they could pre-plan it and crack the drones communications, it could buy them a bit of time. Again though, the crew would need tobe out of stasis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lythisrose View Post
    What David Blue thinks happened to Eli:
    "I do think Eli survived," Blue said. "I think he would have figured out a way to get the power back on and gone on his own adventures for three years or more. And I'd like to believe that's what happened, and that's what's still happening, and maybe one day we'll find out what those adventures were."

    http://www.blastr.com/2013-2-26/davi...medium=twitter
    That would be kind of funny, if the crew awakens three years later to find Eli alive but maybe with a huge scraggly beard and a little eccentric like Harlan from "Tin Man". On the upside he's spent the past three years repairing Destiny with the repair robots to the point that she's practically new when the crew woke up.

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