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    doctor...who... DOCTOR...WHO! Egggggggggggsterminate!

    What an amazing episode. Perfect season opener!
    I could have sworn that was Clara in the episode.. wasn't she meant to appear in the Christmas speci... OH GOD. And in that form.... OH MY- this shall be interesting.
    Was this episode the christmas special.. or
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    was the doctor just taunting the daleks in the high court

    Only thing that i was padantic about... Amy and Rory. I kind of expected them to
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    get back together at the end of the episode


    I got up at 5:10 to see this... and it was DEFINITLY worthwhile!
    Overall 9 1/2 /10

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    I'm soryr but...


    I had been looking forward to this so very much. I mean, I seized the TV room in the Officers' Mess a good hour before hand in order to guarantee I had control of the TV...

    It was good, don't get me wrong, but just didn't live up to the epicness of 'The Eleventh Hour', 'Victory of the Daleks', 'The Time of Angels', 'The Pandorica Opens', 'The Doctor's Wife' etc...

    It felt... a lot like 'The Wedding of River Song'. Rushed. It felt to me that they jumped far too quickly into it, surrendering a lot of dramatic build up. That, plus the music just *really* didn't feel right for me.... it didn't capture my imagination.

    There were some GREAT concepts in there.

    I LOVED seeing Skaro again, particularly with that giant dalek statue and what not.

    But....

    The first minute before the credits was WAY too rushed. That could have gone on for at least ten minutes. In fact, without the final Pond Life episode, I think I'd have been even more miffed. Then things just rush ahead far too much, unusually, I had to think very hard as to why the Daleks needed help, as I felt that was rushed too....

    Conceptually, it was brilliant, and I loved seeing the classic Daleks, but then we didn't even SEE the Special Weapons Dalek MOVE. THE ABOMINATION just sat there!

    As for the twist? OR rather, two twists... I was surprised to see Oswin, but moved over it quickly... as for her... nature, shall we say. Predicted it. I mean, don't get me wrong, actually being IN the battle armour, fair enough didn't see that... but I genuinly knew she would not be in human form, and predicted her to be in some form of genetically mutilated mess looking out via a computer system - ala Robocop (I forget which film it was in) or indeed, Source Code.

    Also... not sure how I feel about the daleks forgetting the Doctor... just doesn't sit right with me... particularly the Doctor's mad rant at the end about 'Doctor Who'... I assume it's setting up for the Fields of Trenzalorn...

    Final thought? The Moff IS brilliant, but he needs more time for some of his epic ideas, he NEEDS 1hr and a half specials for things like this and 'The Wedding of River Song'. I remember when Stargate Continuum came out, TPTB mentioned if it had been made for TV - some of the important character scenes, like Jackson's phone call to himself, would have been axed... this is what it felt like. This should have been a TV movie and allowed to grow, not be forced...


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    Quote Originally Posted by iJOKE View Post
    Was this episode the christmas special.. or
    Spoiler:
    was the doctor just taunting the daleks in the high court


    *shakes fist* MOFFAT!
    haha didnt notice that first time around

    on a somewhat related note

    *shakes fist* Barrowman



    People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint... it happens to kinda look like the name 'Jeremy Bearimy' in cursive English.

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    Im so glad I avoided spoilers!
    Its a wonder how they do keep these sorts of things under wraps these days...
    I see why Moffat said theyd be twists and turns...
    I think there will be a small story arc to the next few episodes, but it probably wont really come back out till Christmas...
    I wonder if Moffat was teasing us when he said we would see her in the "Christmas Special", cause that Christmas line was obviously cut out from the first trailer... but the clips were shown in full on the news...
    Also, was very nice to see a glimpse of Skaro

    Wonder what the ratings will be like?
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    I really enjoyed this episode, and was very surprised to see Jenna-Louise Coleman. Being a complete sap, I'm also glad that Amy and Rory are back together again.

    I'll have to watch it again as I'm sure I missed a lot, but a good start to this series.
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    I just had a thought, could this be a future version of our next companion?
    Cause right as the Doctos running, she says remember me, and the fact that he cant see her but she can see him...
    But then that wouldnt make sense as she joined the Alaska to see the stars... Hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    I just had a thought, could this be a future version of our next companion?
    Cause right as the Doctos running, she says remember me, and the fact that he cant see her but she can see him...
    But then that wouldnt make sense as she joined the Alaska to see the stars... Hmmm...

    Someone had the idea on Den Of Geek that she was created by Amy Pond as a gift for the Doctor when she rebooted the Universe and which may means that she will continue to exist as long as the Doctor and Amy continue to remember her.

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    Its been a while since i've been that surprised! I had to wait til the end credits to check she was who i thought she was! I wonder when a spoiler of that magnitude was last kept quite that quiet?


    Cracking episode, really enjoyed it.

    And a lesson to all of us - the doctor always lies ... and so does the Moffat, the sneaky devil!
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    i just realised something else:

    Spoiler:
    she said 'remember me' but... she made him forget her... or atleast half


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    Spoiler:
    Am I the only one who noticed that Moffat lied to us again?

    "Classic" Daleks Moff? I only saw 3 Classic ones: "The Chase" type Dalek, the Grey Renegade type Dalek, and the Special Weapons Dalek, and not one of those Classic Daleks did anything! There's almost 50's years of the show to look through, and the best you could come up with were 3 Classic Daleks?!? Too many NSD and Paradigm Daleks too! I like the NSD Daleks, but it was still way too many! Thanks for lieing to us again Moffat!

    The episode itself was great. I still don't like that Moffat lies to the fanbase sometimes though.
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    Just looking at the press release and what Moffat says about Jennas character and this sticks out

    Who she’s playing, how the Doctor meets her, and even where he finds her, are all part of one of the biggest mysteries the Time Lord ever encounters. Even by the Doctor’s standards, this isn’t your usual boy meets girl.”
    Maybe the story is the Doctor finds her at a time in her past and its him finding out that this is this girl from the Asylum...

    If this doesnt make sense, its late...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    Just looking at the press release and what Moffat says about Jennas character and this sticks out



    Maybe the story is the Doctor finds her at a time in her past and its him finding out that this is this girl from the Asylum...

    If this doesnt make sense, its late...
    I dunno... that's TOO River Song for me...


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    Quote Originally Posted by stargatefan234 View Post
    according to Moffat there are to be no arcs this year...
    Oh I wish people would stop saying this. He said no two-parters, he didn't say there would be no arcs.
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    Great episode, although I'm probably going to watch it again tonight just to absorb all the timey wimey goodness! Lots of plot twists I didn't see coming, which is always nice!
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    Yes...I just watched it for the second time tonight. Loved it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealurk View Post
    Thoughts:

    • Skaro! I like...
    • Human-shaped Dalek infiltrators? Ok, that's a little creepy.
    • Hmm, new titles. Not so keen.
    • Wait... what? Jenna Louise-Coleman is in episode one? Oswin the Souffle Girl? Also, I like her!
    • "Don't be fair to the Daleks when they're firing me at a planet!"
    • Why is a wet, dark hallway of dead Daleks somehow creepier than live ones?
    • Calling it now: Oswin is
      Spoiler:
      a Dalek infiltrator who went a bit wrong.
    • Nanocloud... yep, that's creepy. Oh, and it got creepier with Dalek zombies. Kudos, Mr Moffat.
    • "Careful dear, you'll put someone's eye out." Yes, I definitely like her.
    • "Because we've had this conversation four times."
    • "I'm looking for reverse!"
    • Oh... so that's why the Ponds are having problems. Poor Amy.
    • Good old Oswin Oswald... but I will be very interested to find out how she becomes the Doctor's new companion!!


    Okay, I liked it. It wasn't utterly magnificent, but it was pretty good. Some new developments for the Daleks that might improve them quite a bit.
    Watching this episode was... delicious, like eating a sumptuous meal. Immediately upon finishing the episode, I watched it again on the DVR to savor the seconds from the meal.

    While the entire episode was quite strong, I thought there were several moments I thought were exceptional:


    • Skaro. The CGI was magnificent and I wanted to see more of the planet.
    • The Parliament of the Daleks--I watched the scenes at the Parliament three times to soak in the nuances of the sets. I especially liked, "He asked the Daleks."
    • Hatred is beautiful: The concept is dark, primal, and so wonderfully Dalek. And the Doctor's response to the idea was brilliantly executed. Moffat truly excelled with the dialogue there.
    • The fallout from the Battle of Demon's Run: Emotionally devastating and wonderfully performed. It makes total sense how being sterile would affect Amy & Rory's relationship. More than ever, I hope the Silence gets dealt with. River, Amy, and Rory have suffered way too much for Moffat to just drop all of that material.
    • "Doctor Who?" at the end with the Daleks and the Doctor... as Flyboy mentioned, it seems like a setup for the Fields of Trenzalore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyboy View Post
    I dunno... that's TOO River Song for me...
    Yeah, I suppose your right, didnt think about that...

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    I take it Amy's modlling career was a hangover/precursor to Karen Gillan playing Jean Shrimpton in We'll Take Manhatten

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    Am I the only person who is unsettled and disturbed by how easily and freely Moffat just re-writes not only basic tenets of the damn show, but also what happened during his own reign on Doctor Who?

    -The supreme genetically pure and perfect Daleks, who had no hesitation when blowing up "old daleks" even though said daleks were successful...immediately went about and made about 1% "Red" and 99% "old daleks". Why the hell do they make impure, defective Daleks?

    -Things survived the Time War? Seriously? I understand how you pull that line for big guys like Davros or Dalek Khan, and even on "Dalek" which was just a one-off thing while the show was just getting started....but no. There's an entire Ward devoted to Daleks who survived the Time War and went completely mad. Firstly, how did so many survive? How the hell, and who the hell, corraled them?

    -...The Daleks have a Parliament, and hence politics? what the hell? Since when were the universal Nazis, created and designed and successful as uniform, unthinking killing machines of a galactic level, diverse enough to have politics beyond "we listen to X". The entire point of the cult of Skaro was that they were special [i]because[/u] they had disagreements and actual free thought. Now every one of them has it.

    -I understand that Moffat is determined to change things around for new viewers, but what about the fans who, frankly, actually liked how the old show went? I literally, after the end of the episode, sat there and just brooded over what the hell was happening. You can't "humanize the Daleks" as they wanted to. Half of their effectiveness is that they aren't anything like us. Humanizing them removes that initial cloak of terror caused by the "them vs us" that is a basic component of all successful fear in media.

    -This may be my own personal lack of knowledge of Old-Who, but since when were the Daleks akin to the Cybermen in that they can just grab you and make you into a Dalek? And if that's an old thing, why the hell did they even kill Time Lords? But whatever

    -That's not even touching on the fundamental change of the dynamics of the "forgetting".


    I liked the Rory/Amy drama, of course, and enjoyed the actual emotion, but I still think Rory's right.

    "Oh I gave you up a few months ago. It hurts."

    2,000 years is 2,000 years, woman. Stop being the emotionally conceited woman you are for once.

    I, frankly, am just entirely put off by the smack in the face of these "new daleks" that don't even make sense in Moffat's own canon, ignoring the past of them. I can understand Moffat trying something new, sure, but that doesn't mean he can just re-write almost everything about them and receive universal praise for it. It's another example of Moffat having a good idea and just screwing it up royally on the delivery when he actually tries to do it, which is a hallmark of most of his work.

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    What an amazing episode to launch the new series. Easily the best Dalek episode since 'Dalek' because of the engaging story attached to it. I always found that the Tennant era Dalek episodes put too much emphasis on the spectacle. With Asylum, we got the best of both worlds. That is, an action packed Dalek episode with a really engrossing story complete with a couple of plot twists, one of which may concern a future companion.

    Gone are the days where the Daleks can be scary since there's only so many things that they can say or do in their iconic appearance. It's really more of a question as to whether we can take them seriously. After watching Asylum, it was the best treatment of the Daleks since the Eccleston story, 'Dalek' because we got a much better sense of why they're a threat. The CGI was minimal which meant that, generally, the less is more approach was taken rather than having millions of Daleks flying through the air only to be defeated by the flip of a lever as seen in the two part finale of series 2. In Asylum, that sense of threat and danger was brought back where it had been absent for their last few appearances.

    5 out of 5

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