The Price of Greatness (209)

[knowles2]

I would think other groups of people are de-harnessing them, though you could be right about it being the Rebel Skitters.

If the Rebel Skitters are doing it, it isn't because de-harnessed kids are resistant to overlord mind control. The overlord the 2nd mass captured was able to control Ben even though he was de-harnessed.

Okay not resistance but I would be surprise cutting off most of the harness does have some effect that we have not seen yet.

[Gate Ranger]

Maybe without the harness on it makes the kids harder to manipulate. The overlord had to get in the same room with Ben to take control of him whereas if Ben still had the harness on maybe the OL could have made a connection from much farther away. And we've seen from season one that the harnessed kids don't really have a mind of their own, they walked around like zombies.

[Gem of Tigress]

Maybe without the harness on it makes the kids harder to manipulate. The overlord had to get in the same room with Ben to take control of him whereas if Ben still had the harness on maybe the OL could have made a connection from much farther away. And we've seen from season one that the harnessed kids don't really have a mind of their own, they walked around like zombies.

^ Agreed.
Can't wait for next week's episode

[Mrja84]

@ Mrja84......Pope as a culinary artist goes unquestioned. He can work in my kitchen anytime....this does not mean I think he keeps a thesaurus in his back pocket. A person can be street smart, but that is not necessarily synonymous with academics. There have been times when he has been so cocky, that his intelligence to me was more mud like than well fertilized soil. He spoke of taking Tom off his pedestal. Question, to be replaced by whom...himself? No arrogance there!!

"What show have you been watching? Do recall, when we first met Pope he was enjoying having a talk with Tom since his gang (before they got killed) didn't really have anyone he could talk with on the level of an educated man like Tom Mason"

Even an ugly duckling looks cute if it is traveling around with a gaggle of trolls and wort hogs!

Very good point, he may be more street smart. But I still hold on to the idea that he is college educated and just took the end of the world attack as a good enough reason to let loose.

@Commander Zelix.....Not doubting you, but I don't recall hearing that Manchester was elected President by the people of New Charleston. I remember him telling Tom that he needed his vote, but I thought that was on issues. Did that really happen, or is it to be assumed? Some have mentioned that perhaps others higher up than Manchester are the real decision makers, if that is the case then Manchester is more like a Mayor than an ultimate power.

Manchester was the top leader. Civilian leader over the military. His title was Majority Leader as he said President was too presumptuous. And they hadn't had a fully formed government yet. They/he was trying to still build a government before trying to attack the aliens.

[Brother Freyr]

When did Pope have a vendetta against Tom? Did it become personal when Tom beat the snot out of him?

Pope disliked Tom from the beginning, but he seriously distrusted Tom when Tom returned from the overlord. Then Tom "beat the snot out of" Pope; that probably didn't improve Pope's feelings toward Tom.

I wonder who de harness the kid, with porter and his team mostly wiped out and we know the 2nd Mass did not do it.

Are the rebels skitters doing it and if they are why, what advantage does a de harnessed kid have over a harness one, resistance to the overlord mind control.

A de-harnessed kid with remaining spikes can still be controlled, at least at short-distance, by a skitter. We saw that with Ben and Red-Eye. If de-harnessing a kid limits the overlords' ability to read the kid's thoughts, as someone here suggested, then de-harnessing but leaving spikes looks like a smart practice for the rebel skitters.

I'm glad Maggie finally got smart re: Hal. (Good speech, Hal.)

A stronger episode than the previous two. Okay, enough of delaying the finale... I'm going to watch 2x10 now!

[Lady Midnight]

Manchester was the top leader. Civilian leader over the military. His title was Majority Leader as he said President was too presumptuous. And they hadn't had a fully formed government yet. They/he was trying to still build a government before trying to attack the aliens.

Thank you...I must have been breaking up at cat fight at the time.....

[Teddybrown]

This seasons been building up to a massive finale and this episode sure helped!
Really annoyed I cant see it till atleast next Saturday!
From previews of the last episode, its going to be awesome, and the last 5 minutes will bring something new...
This next season wait is going to be long!!!

[Mrja84]

From previews of the last episode, its going to be awesome, and the last 5 minutes will bring something new...

I wished the previews didn't do that. I missed the previews on purpose so I was quite shocked at that. But I feel like most people were waiting through the whole episode for it instead of wondering about the battle.

[Matt G]

So...

1. We are now safe from the aliens...just have to deal with humanity now...

2. Can't say I'm fully comfortable with martial law or a prolonged internal conflict.

3. Having said that, Manchester is an idiot.

4. And I'm annoyed at the attitude of some of the Charlston peeps towards the 2nd Mass.

Very interesting mess we have.

[garhkal]

I'm thinking some of that hate to the 2nd mass is cause of how well they have done out there on their own..

[Mrja84]

I'm thinking some of that hate to the 2nd mass is cause of how well they have done out there on their own..

What do you mean? When they first got there they were hailed as heroes. I didn't see much hate toward them. Just adjusting to the rules of that community.

[garhkal]

Underpinnings of jealousy.

[Mrja84]

Jealous of what? Jealous of them being attacked by aliens? Jealous of them having to move from place to place and look for food and shelter?

If anything, I believe they became concerned. The 2nd Mass was wary of handing over their weapons. They were more mouths to feed and more voices vying to be heard.

[Baron Of Hell]

Get to a new place to find it is run by a smoke monster and max headroom.

Kind of interesting how the new guys are causing problems and not trying very hard to fit in.

[garhkal]

Jealous of what? Jealous of them being attacked by aliens? Jealous of them having to move from place to place and look for food and shelter?

If anything, I believe they became concerned. The 2nd Mass was wary of handing over their weapons. They were more mouths to feed and more voices vying to be heard.

Jealous of the fact that the 2nd mass had done something they didn't. Gave the Espheni a bloody nose (liberated slaved kids, damaged one of their base towers, learned of several weaknesses)..