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    i am sensing sarcasm

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    Community IS nbc's best show.
    Haven't had a chance to watch this week's episode yet. But will eventually.
    If they really are going on break for that long, they will lose a ton of viewers. The show isn't even close to being engaging enough to maintain a must-watch crowd that will make sure they come back.

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    Kashmir
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    So tonight's episode of Revolution features a time honored tradition among dramatic shows; the hallucinations. You know those things that often grow a character through the facing of his own internal fears that make people grow crazy... It also contains... *clears throat*

    Music by Led Zeppelin!

    The NBC promo made a pretty big deal about this but why make a big deal about it? this isn't the voice or CSI or even The Office for that matter...

    It should effectively grow the characters and it should give us a better insight on them but there one shocking thing this episode made me realize though.

    Stargate Universe did it way better.

    This is by far the weakest episode of Revolution; much of it has to do in the most claustrophobic environment possible with some of the most boring scenes ever. For much of the episode, Miles, Charlie, Nora, some girl and a rebellion leader trek through the caves, trying to find the essential way out all while they wait for their hallucinations to appear; this is all they do, there's barely any character interaction between them or sense of dialog, watching them just walk is boring unless we have a reason to care and in this case we don't. The show hasn't given much of anything regarding Danny's consistency, Monroe's certainty or the scope of the threat in order to give the situation they're in much weight; they want the feeling to be marching towards something dramatic, trekking in hopes that they can stop the evil Monroe empire and rescue Danny but it's the opposite of that.


    Charlie... Just look at that face.

    The hallucinations they go through are uninspired and generic with the added side of being predictable and unconvincing. We get the usual guys running around, nothing's there; there's a crocodile on my leg, no there isn't; my wife is suddenly next to me talking about how weak I am; we even get one where it happens in a full room and to each one those happens to, nothing new is revealed about them and in some cases, it even dilutes the characters as a whole. We already know that Nora is afraid of dieing, afraid of being weak; we know that Aaron causes a whole lot of grief to his wife and we certainly know Charlie and her father. The only thing that is truly notable is Miles' hallucination where he faces off with Monroe but even that is weak, mainly because it just dwells on the guilt without really dawning upon it. (but I will admit that the whole turning back the militia thing is somewhat interesting.)

    Aaron and Miles' hallucinations could of been passable but instead they continue to neglect knowledge, I understand if you want to have someone face off with a wife who's feelings are hurt but seriously, to make it seem as if there's some sort of a conflict where he's stronger than one than with the other isn't going to do wonders; Aaron tried to survive and found himself failing at every turn, he wanted to mean something (while also neglecting the science and engineering skills that he has), to ignore that is questionable. As for Miles... this confirms the long standing suspicion I had on him, that he broke apart because of a difference of opinion but this is where it really gets confusing, I thought Miles was the one who started the republic. He saw the abuse that was going on, the flashbacks really implied it and yet it's insisted here that Monroe was in control, that Miles was his lapdog and he was put into a position to kill him. Okay, but if Monroe was in charge while did Miles still kill, heck why does he even want to kill Monroe if he acted as if he was in charge and killed without remorse? This really damages what they have going on for Monroe.


    Rachel and the device.

    Charlie also gets into many near death incidents here and every time I was cheering for her to die and jeering any attempts to save her; which should not happen. I don't know why she's so weak, maybe it's the actor, maybe it's the character, maybe it's her story; all I know is that every line seems "righteous", she can't "emote", she can't "act" and she certainty can't show "character". It's admirable that they tried to inject character in the form of certain scenes; showing the bond of the crew, placing her in an emotional state of death but I didn't care for both of them, especially that her father was in her dream world. Every moment is a chance to turn it around, she has a chance to show legitimate emotion, hook the audience into her character; she even has a change to look normal but every moment that also passes is one that convinces me of her lack of appeal, lack of talent... I understand why the characters would save her, it is TV after all but honestly, the characters shouldn't be second fiddle constantly saving her life; seeing Miles trying to save Charlie just made me yell at my TV screen.

    The only really good parts of this episode are the scenes regarding Monroe and Rachel. We really get to see what's behind Rachel, she is just so cunning and devious as she works on the device; she faces off with people like Nevil and a militia general but she doesn't show any fear, no she just shows narcissism while she shows off the device and explains how it's going to be used and we also get the best surprise when we see Rachel's true colors; who knew that she had second doubts about what's going on and who knew that she would do anything just to value her life; it just gives her character importance, makes the Monroe plot really interesting and even though Monroe acted like Darth Vader (though I will admit living up to his bargain was good); he was ever so essential in bringing out that side of Rachel, one which isn't the clear cut personality we thought she was.

    In closing: this episode is terrible. I'd go so far as to say that this is the worst hallucination episode ever in the history of sci-fi. Everything about this episode screams gimmicky and uninspired; there is no reason to care for our characters and much of what is revealed about them is inconsequential, heck even the two songs from Led Zeppelin are out of place. The only good parts are the scenes regarding Monroe and Rachel but you certainly don't want to watch 44 minutes just to get that. I am not looking forward to the midseason finale at all...

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    Kashmir (episode 9)
    I liked the episode(mainly for the character stuff).
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    I actually liked the hallucinations. I just wish there was a better excuse for them, than the characters running out of air(because that really didn't seem possible, given their situation). I reallly liked Rachel in this episode, that last scene with her was great(imo).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    Kashmir (episode 9)
    I liked the episode(mainly for the character stuff).
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    I actually liked the hallucinations. I just wish there was a better excuse for them, than the characters running out of air(because that really didn't seem possible, given their situation). I reallly liked Rachel in this episode, that last scene with her was great(imo).
    A massive explosion, their fires, stagnant air, dead animals, sewerage, dust, methane build-up, debris, etc and you don't think the air would be any good?

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    Kashmir
    Spoiler:
    So tonight's episode of Revolution features a time honored tradition among dramatic shows; the hallucinations. You know those things that often grow a character through the facing of his own internal fears that make people grow crazy... It also contains... *clears throat*

    Music by Led Zeppelin!

    The NBC promo made a pretty big deal about this but why make a big deal about it? this isn't the voice or CSI or even The Office for that matter...

    It should effectively grow the characters and it should give us a better insight on them but there one shocking thing this episode made me realize though.

    Stargate Universe did it way better.

    This is by far the weakest episode of Revolution; much of it has to do in the most claustrophobic environment possible with some of the most boring scenes ever. For much of the episode, Miles, Charlie, Nora, some girl and a rebellion leader trek through the caves, trying to find the essential way out all while they wait for their hallucinations to appear; this is all they do, there's barely any character interaction between them or sense of dialog, watching them just walk is boring unless we have a reason to care and in this case we don't. The show hasn't given much of anything regarding Danny's consistency, Monroe's certainty or the scope of the threat in order to give the situation they're in much weight; they want the feeling to be marching towards something dramatic, trekking in hopes that they can stop the evil Monroe empire and rescue Danny but it's the opposite of that.


    Charlie... Just look at that face.

    The hallucinations they go through are uninspired and generic with the added side of being predictable and unconvincing. We get the usual guys running around, nothing's there; there's a crocodile on my leg, no there isn't; my wife is suddenly next to me talking about how weak I am; we even get one where it happens in a full room and to each one those happens to, nothing new is revealed about them and in some cases, it even dilutes the characters as a whole. We already know that Nora is afraid of dieing, afraid of being weak; we know that Aaron causes a whole lot of grief to his wife and we certainly know Charlie and her father. The only thing that is truly notable is Miles' hallucination where he faces off with Monroe but even that is weak, mainly because it just dwells on the guilt without really dawning upon it. (but I will admit that the whole turning back the militia thing is somewhat interesting.)

    Aaron and Miles' hallucinations could of been passable but instead they continue to neglect knowledge, I understand if you want to have someone face off with a wife who's feelings are hurt but seriously, to make it seem as if there's some sort of a conflict where he's stronger than one than with the other isn't going to do wonders; Aaron tried to survive and found himself failing at every turn, he wanted to mean something (while also neglecting the science and engineering skills that he has), to ignore that is questionable. As for Miles... this confirms the long standing suspicion I had on him, that he broke apart because of a difference of opinion but this is where it really gets confusing, I thought Miles was the one who started the republic. He saw the abuse that was going on, the flashbacks really implied it and yet it's insisted here that Monroe was in control, that Miles was his lapdog and he was put into a position to kill him. Okay, but if Monroe was in charge while did Miles still kill, heck why does he even want to kill Monroe if he acted as if he was in charge and killed without remorse? This really damages what they have going on for Monroe.


    Rachel and the device.

    Charlie also gets into many near death incidents here and every time I was cheering for her to die and jeering any attempts to save her; which should not happen. I don't know why she's so weak, maybe it's the actor, maybe it's the character, maybe it's her story; all I know is that every line seems "righteous", she can't "emote", she can't "act" and she certainty can't show "character". It's admirable that they tried to inject character in the form of certain scenes; showing the bond of the crew, placing her in an emotional state of death but I didn't care for both of them, especially that her father was in her dream world. Every moment is a chance to turn it around, she has a chance to show legitimate emotion, hook the audience into her character; she even has a change to look normal but every moment that also passes is one that convinces me of her lack of appeal, lack of talent... I understand why the characters would save her, it is TV after all but honestly, the characters shouldn't be second fiddle constantly saving her life; seeing Miles trying to save Charlie just made me yell at my TV screen.

    The only really good parts of this episode are the scenes regarding Monroe and Rachel. We really get to see what's behind Rachel, she is just so cunning and devious as she works on the device; she faces off with people like Nevil and a militia general but she doesn't show any fear, no she just shows narcissism while she shows off the device and explains how it's going to be used and we also get the best surprise when we see Rachel's true colors; who knew that she had second doubts about what's going on and who knew that she would do anything just to value her life; it just gives her character importance, makes the Monroe plot really interesting and even though Monroe acted like Darth Vader (though I will admit living up to his bargain was good); he was ever so essential in bringing out that side of Rachel, one which isn't the clear cut personality we thought she was.

    In closing: this episode is terrible. I'd go so far as to say that this is the worst hallucination episode ever in the history of sci-fi. Everything about this episode screams gimmicky and uninspired; there is no reason to care for our characters and much of what is revealed about them is inconsequential, heck even the two songs from Led Zeppelin are out of place. The only good parts are the scenes regarding Monroe and Rachel but you certainly don't want to watch 44 minutes just to get that. I am not looking forward to the midseason finale at all...

    1.0/10
    I'm glad I missed it. It's recorded on the PVR but it looks like I can sleep through this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by escyos View Post
    A massive explosion, their fires, stagnant air, dead animals, sewerage, dust, methane build-up, debris, etc and you don't think the air would be any good?
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    It wouldn't have been the freshest air(even before the explosion blocked the tunnel), but they weren't supposed to be hallucinatiing because of something that might be in the air(and they weren't complaining about air quality beforehand); they specifically said it was due to of lack of oxygen. All the oxygen already in the all the tunnels wouldn't just disappear because of that explosion. *They could/should have put out some of their torches, if they were worried that they(the torches) were taking up too much oxygen. They didn't even mention anything about possible methane build-up(not that I recall, anyway), and their way out was a door with holes in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
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    It wouldn't be the freshest air(even without the explosion), but they weren't supposed to be hallucinatiing because of something that might be in the air; they specifically said it was because of lack of oxygen. All the oxygen already in the all the tunnels wouldn't just disappear because of that explosion.
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    Yes but breathing in air full of dust and debris will inhibit your ability to absorb oxygen as well. We saw a few hours of them in a tunnel, there may not have been much more to the tunnels then there was. I don't see why your so hung up on something that can be explained pretty easily (I will say your better than those on facebook, they have problems with everything).

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    I'm not hung up on it, I just wished there was a better reason than the air running out.
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    I would have been more satisfied, if it turned out the traitor had drugged Miles and the others(or something like that), causing them to hallucinate.
    I actually liked the episode, but I don't have to love everything about it, or find everything believable.

    *escyos I added stuff to my previous post before your reply showed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    I'm not hung up on it, I just wished there was a better reason than the air running out.
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    I would have been more satisfied, if it turned out the traitor had drugged Miles and the others(or something like that), causing them to hallucinate.
    I actually liked the episode, but I don't have to love everything about it, or find everything believable.

    *escyos I added stuff to my previous post before your reply showed up.
    Here's the thing, People do not always know the answer. When a character says something like the hallucinations are from lack of oxygen, then they may not be lying, but they might not be telling the truth either. It's what they think is occurring.

    In Stargate Universe, people raised red flags when someone explained something that didn't make sense or some gave a board answer like "Destiny's thousands of years old". They are human and humans do not always speak in exact truths.

    We guess and we say board things like "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse". That doesn't mean they are going to eat a horse or a meal of comparable size, it's just a figure of speech.

    In this case, Aaron who is more knowledgeable about technology than medicine or chemicals, gave what he thought was causing the hallucinations. And clearly, he's thought that they were occurring only when they were about to die was wrong, since they were in the tunnels for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrja84 View Post
    Here's the thing, People do not always know the answer. When a character says something like the hallucinations are from lack of oxygen, then they may not be lying, but they might not be telling the truth either. It's what they think is occurring.
    I have to dispute this; it's a guess, an assumption. Lying is when you're trying to diverge from the truth, coming up with anything that isn't established. The truth is telling something that's established, telling something that actually happened. When people are making assumptions; they're not purposefully lying or telling the truth, they're not even trying to come up with a reason with why it's happening. They're coming up with something based on what they see based on possible situations and even visible sights.

    Case in point. Aaron made that assumption when the flame was burning out; now if the flame wasn't burning out, what type of assumption would he be making? Gas, drugs, toxins? He made it based on what he saw, not something made out of desperation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrja84 View Post
    In Stargate Universe, people raised red flags when someone explained something that didn't make sense or some gave a board answer like "Destiny's thousands of years old". They are human and humans do not always speak in exact truths.
    So what is an exact truth? And more so if humans don't speak in exact truths what can. A computer is a thing that processes things to the exact decibel point but it doesn't know what the exact truth is, anything that's stored on there could be the truth or it could be a fabrication... So really, is there anything that can be defined as an "exact truth". Even if the computer had artificial intelligence, it would still have a grasp of humanity and it's definition of exactism would be loss therefore residing the computer to the realm of humans.

    Humans range from all kinds and there is no exact classification for what we do "telling exact truths, feeling emotional outburts, having odd thoughts" so therefore there can be no unified belief for what the race is as a while.

    Also what is shown is a TV show, details are likely to be messed up depending on the quality of the writer. (excluding years) This is not limited to SGU by the way, SGA and even SG1 messes up certain details too and those people aren't even on the same caliber as SGU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrja84 View Post
    We guess and we say board things like "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse". That doesn't mean they are going to eat a horse or a meal of comparable size, it's just a figure of speech.
    This is contradictory. Using the same argument, is saying "A pig can fly"? a guess. That meaning of speech is based on the fact that pigs don't fly but who's to say there aren't some people who take it seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrja84 View Post
    In this case, Aaron who is more knowledgeable about technology than medicine or chemicals, gave what he thought was causing the hallucinations. And clearly, he's thought that they were occurring only when they were about to die was wrong, since they were in the tunnels for a long time.
    Technology is technically science, you have things like neutrons, electrical conductivity, binary code, material composition, data transfering, machinery and medicine and chemicals, also science... there are things like formulas, minerals, cells, the breaking and reforming of them, the specific composition of atoms, the variations in the atmosphere, volitity, formulas. Even designing Roller Coasters requires an intricate knowledge of physics, speed of drop, momentum, gravity, friction, lateral forces.

    To assume that Aaron does not know science is incorrect. Google would not let a person without a proper experience in technology to be an executive, it suggests unprofessionalism. (how do you think they manage to innovate new technology and manage their systems.) He saw the flame, he saw how it was burning out, he even knew that a lack of oxygen can lead to delirium (due to certain functions of the brain not working properly, things like the memory and perception aspect of it.), that alone gives the argument that he knows about science much more weight. Sure, he's a geek but technology is not separate from science, in fact it is a part of it.

    It's also one of the things I detest about him; the neglect of this knowledge that could potentially be helpful. I really understand if you want to make him weak but the entire world does not revolve around technology, things like nature, the scope of the world and even basic understanding of life are as essential as technology which even then is just a thing we could do without. If they would realize that technology isn't the one-sided thing it is and if they would just bring out Aaron's other knowledge, make him more of a know-it-all and less of a computer geek then maybe, maybe I'd like it more but as it stands...
    Back from the grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrja84 View Post
    Here's the thing, People do not always know the answer. When a character says something like the hallucinations are from lack of oxygen, then they may not be lying, but they might not be telling the truth either. It's what they think is occurring.

    In Stargate Universe, people raised red flags when someone explained something that didn't make sense or some gave a board answer like "Destiny's thousands of years old". They are human and humans do not always speak in exact truths.

    We guess and we say board things like "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse". That doesn't mean they are going to eat a horse or a meal of comparable size, it's just a figure of speech.

    In this case, Aaron who is more knowledgeable about technology than medicine or chemicals, gave what he thought was causing the hallucinations. And clearly, he's thought that they were occurring only when they were about to die was wrong, since they were in the tunnels for a long time.

    Spoiler:
    I'd considered that Aaron didn't really know what was wrong, and it might really have been something other than the air, but then they started acting like they were all having some trouble breathing, and they mentioned that the fire was getting low due to lack of oxygen; and once they started to get close to the exit, someone(the militia guy, I think) mentioned how the torch was getting brighter. I just don't see how they could have had so little oxygen in those tunnels, that they were already at the point of hallucinating(which Aaron said was something that happened right before death). If there was supposed to be more to it(or something other) than the lack of oxygen, then someone should have at least brought up the possibility. Anyway, it didn't ruin the entire episode for me, but I was bothered by it.

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    I have to say, Kashmir, was yet the worst episode ! I only liked
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    I only really liked the interaction between Miles and Bass during his hallucination
    the only fact I liked was that Sebastian Roché ( Balthazar from Supernatural ) was in it, I like this guy, other than that. I'll still finish Season 1 too see where things headed, probably on dvd it will be a quote from "critics" " a mind blowing season " ... not... but will see how thing's will develop next year.

    Off-Topic : Who the hell his Ziva ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp!der View Post
    I have to say, Kashmir, was yet the worst episode ! I only liked
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    I only really liked the interaction between Miles and Bass during his hallucination
    the only fact I liked was that Sebastian Roché ( Balthazar from Supernatural ) was in it, I like this guy, other than that. I'll still finish Season 1 too see where things headed, probably on dvd it will be a quote from "critics" " a mind blowing season " ... not... but will see how thing's will develop next year.

    Off-Topic : Who the hell his Ziva ?
    Ummm nobody named Sebastian Roche was in that episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by escyos View Post
    Ummm nobody named Sebastian Roche was in that episode.
    Wasn't that him ? Sorry, my bad. it was Reed Diamond, but you have to admit, they look quite the same.

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    Anyone know what day/time it repeats? I might have a conflict tomorrow night for the season finale with hour 2 of the Extreme-make over home edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Anyone know what day/time it repeats? I might have a conflict tomorrow night for the season finale with hour 2 of the Extreme-make over home edition.
    I think it may repeat next Saturday night. Do you have computer access? It will be on Hulu and NBC Tuesday morning.
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    Laptop, but since its almost 8 yrs old, it runs hulu slow as heck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Laptop, but since its almost 8 yrs old, it runs hulu slow as heck.
    I'm sure as I was orginally wrong. It only airs this Monday which makes your online viewing you only choice if you want Extreme Makeover
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    Yea.. i checked out this coming Saturday's tv schedule and saw no Revolution repeat...
    Guess its gonna be 1 of the 2 hrs of EMHE i catch tonight.

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