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    After some time, I decided that a full rewrite of Golden Dawn was required. I've rewritten a new intro and decided to make it better.

    This is the result. Please give me your thoughts, comments, and suggestions.

    Also, please tell me what you'd like to see in the story as well. Questions are welcome.

    I'll also have it up on Fanfiction.net shortly.

    Golden Dawn

    Chapter 1: Prologue


    “Is the device ready?”

    “Almost, I require a few more seconds.” The Asgard next to Tyr said. The Asgard ship Yggdrasil had been escorted by a flotilla of other ships, undertaking a mission directed by the High Council itself. Tyr watched the battle that was going on his holographic display. Suddenly, one of the blue shapes representing an Asgard ship blinked out. More reports were coming in from the rest of the small fleet.

    “The Jörmungandr has been destroyed.”

    “Alesian fighters on attack vectors. Aesir and Mjölnir are requesting orders.”

    “Four more Alesian ships dropping out of hyperspace. They have an Angelan.” Tyr blinked in response. Angelan-class warships were the heavy hitters of the Alesian Empire. It was not uncommon for entire fleets of lesser ships to be obliterated underneath an Angelan’s guns. This wouldn’t faze Tyr however, since he was an elite officer of the Asgard Fleet. He had earned the title of Aesir as recognition of his efforts, and was handpicked to lead this mission against the Alesians to bring the war to a quick conclusion.

    “Concentrate all fire on the Alesian dreadnought. It is the greatest threat to our mission.” Tyr said, his grey skin reflecting the light of the command console. “One that may see the war won. I don’t need to remind you of the Alesian threat to the galaxy.”

    The rest of the Asgard bridge crew nodded. They understood that the chances of them escaping were zero, but their sacrifice would remove a threat for good. Tyr turned to the scientist next to him.

    “Will this device really work?” The scientist nodded.

    “It should. Once activated, the Alesians would be trapped.” After hearing the reply, Tyr turned to the weapons officer.

    “Boost powers to the weapons. We are outgunned. More time is required.”

    “Yes, Aesir.” The weapons officer said, typing in commands as he worked feverishly. The console in front of Tyr chirped.

    “Alesian dreadnought identified. It’s the Shadow of Retribution.” Tyr watched as the mammoth warship fired three yellow beams in quick succession at the Mjölnir, impacting the shields with a brilliant flare of light.

    Mjölnir is taking heavy damage. She can’t survive for long.”

    “We can’t fail. We are the Aesir, the elite of the Asgard fleet.” Tyr said, hoping to spur his crew on. He shielded his eyes as another flare of light burned through the viewport. A second blue light on the display went out. The ship began to shake as the dreadnought turned toward the Yggdrasil, streams of blue pulses flying from its numerous ion cannons. The ship began to shake heavily from the impacts of the Alesian weapons.

    Mjölnir destroyed. Shields are at 80% and falling.” Tyr narrowed his eyes at the console.

    “Reroute power from secondary systems to shields.” He said after a moment, pivoting on his feet to face the scientist again. “Time to activation?”

    “Nearly there. The device is ready. Charging.”

    “When it is charged, fire the device.” Tyr glanced out the viewport again. The Aesir was trading fire with an Alesian battleship and a cruiser. He knew it was only a holding action to distract the Alesians from their true purpose. It was the last escorting ship that was left. Ragnarok had died first, the fleet fighting off the initial patrol of two Alesian cruisers and a battleship. It blew apart one of the cruisers and heavily damaged the other cruiser before it fell victim to the battleship, cleaved apart by the beam weapons.

    Jörmungand had been next after having fought for nearly fifteen minutes, damaging the Alesian light battleship Nova. The battle began to go against the Asgard when the Alesian battleship Vengeance showed up. The weakened Jörmungand stood no chance before Vengeance’s neutron beam batteries, taking a hit to the reactor core that caused it to go critical and explode. The Alesian patrol had been heavily outnumbered and outgunned before the Shadow of Retribution and its escorts showed up. Now the Aesir’s shields were flickering, soon to be the next to fall.

    “The device is charged.” The scientist replied hurriedly. Tyr felt the ship shudder underneath his feet at the Yggdrasil lost his shields, Alesian fire pounding the hull relentlessly.

    “Engines and hyperdrive are offline. We must engage the device.” The scientist said as the ship shook violently.

    “Do it.” Tyr ordered as the scientist tapped the console, the time dilation device lighting up.

    “For Valhalla.” Tyr whispered as the device activated, the bubble shooting out in all directions.


    --


    Onboard the Beliskner, Thor watched the display with tired eyes. He turned toward the other members of the Asgard Council, who were represented as holograms. It was Odin that first spoke.

    “It is done?” He asked, running a hand nervously over his bald head.

    “Yes. The Alesians are now trapped in time stasis.” Thor said, his voice calm as he spoke.

    “The entire Alesian Empire? All of their worlds?”

    “With the exception of a few remote outposts, the Alesians are all trapped. The last few worlds are minor, with little to no defense present. They will be dealt with.” Thor said, nodding his assent. Odin seemed satisfied with the answer.

    “Good, now we can focus on other matters.” Odin leaned back, his expression unreadable. Freyr frowned.

    “We cannot expect the Alesians to remain in stasis forever. They are an advanced race, and we must expect them to figure what happened to them.” He said evenly, his tone one of concern. “Time doesn’t stop, it is just very slow inside the bubble. They’ll get out eventually.”

    “Yes, but we’ll have the technology and numbers to match them.” Odin said confidently.

    “Let’s hope so.” Freyr turned to Thor, blinking his large black eyes. “Commander Thor, when can we expect the Alesians to overcome the effects of the device?” Thor thought for a moment, frowning in concentration.

    “Calculations estimate them to figure it out within a day inside the bubble, which is several thousand years in our time.” He said after a moment. The rest of the council nodded in satisfaction.

    “If there is no more business to discuss, this meeting is adjourned.” Odin said as his hologram flickered and shut off. The rest of the council followed suit, leaving Thor alone with only his thoughts to keep him company. He looked outside the viewport of his private quarters. The Asgard hoped that the Alesians could be dealt with in the far future, for he feared for the future of the Asgard race if the Alesians were let loose once more.
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    Showing the Asgard-Alesian War happening is good; honestly disappointed tho that we're gonna have to wait to see the Alesians fight the Ori (or more accurately the 'Orisians'--I termed their corporeal followers like this in my Tauri-Furling series).

    I will say this tho--because you decided to rewrite GD, the Stargate fanfic stories are now closer to once again overtaking the Buffy fanfics on FF.net in total #. Ya I know I'm maybe being petty counting the total # of fanfics on the site for the two Tv shows. For TV-show-based fanfics, Stargate and Buffy have dominated FF.net for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StargateWatcher View Post
    Showing the Asgard-Alesian War happening is good; honestly disappointed tho that we're gonna have to wait to see the Alesians fight the Ori (or more accurately the 'Orisians'--I termed their corporeal followers like this in my Tauri-Furling series).

    I will say this tho--because you decided to rewrite GD, the Stargate fanfic stories are now closer to once again overtaking the Buffy fanfics on FF.net in total #. Ya I know I'm maybe being petty counting the total # of fanfics on the site for the two Tv shows. For TV-show-based fanfics, Stargate and Buffy have dominated FF.net for a while.
    Heh. I have chapter 2 halfway done. Been having alot of school essays to write though, so it has interfered with my ability to write, but that will end in a few days. Plus Mass Effect 2 has been keeping me busy. Gonna get Mass Effect 3 probably during the summer and play that relentlessly.

    The Alesian Empire is smaller in the reboot, but still a powerhouse. I also made them somewhat more imperialistic and they will most likely be referred to as Imperials in ther term Imperial Legions. Couldn't resist the temptation to make them that way. Instead of it's armies slowly being converted to peacetime, I am going to make it that they were depleted from fighting a full on war with the Asgard, who threw their full might at the Alesians and stalemated them. Even pushed back the Alesian war machine quite a bit and put a hurting on their fleet, but at horrific cost. For every Alesian ship the Asgard downed, it lost four or five Asgard ships to do the deed. Notice I did not reveal the Alesians were warlike Ancients yet, but merely set them up as a powerful race that rivals the Asgard. That reveal will come in say chapter 6 or 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amann View Post
    Heh. I have chapter 2 halfway done. Been having alot of school essays to write though, so it has interfered with my ability to write, but that will end in a few days. Plus Mass Effect 2 has been keeping me busy. Gonna get Mass Effect 3 probably during the summer and play that relentlessly.

    The Alesian Empire is smaller in the reboot, but still a powerhouse. I also made them somewhat more imperialistic and they will most likely be referred to as Imperials in ther term Imperial Legions. Couldn't resist the temptation to make them that way. Instead of it's armies slowly being converted to peacetime, I am going to make it that they were depleted from fighting a full on war with the Asgard, who threw their full might at the Alesians and stalemated them. Even pushed back the Alesian war machine quite a bit and put a hurting on their fleet, but at horrific cost. For every Alesian ship the Asgard downed, it lost four or five Asgard ships to do the deed. Notice I did not reveal the Alesians were warlike Ancients yet, but merely set them up as a powerful race that rivals the Asgard. That reveal will come in say chapter 6 or 7.
    I'm a bit familiar with ME3 as my friend who lives in the next appartment building down played ME2 and ME3. Each in the seriesvery nice storyline(s).

    Lol. So will Amann then be an emperor?

    Clever not revealing more of the natuer of the Alesians. Tho if readers are familiar with the Latin language they can probably guess that these Alesians have something to do with Roman culture.
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    I've thought about making Amann an emperor, but decided against it. High Council goes from the Lantean roots, and also has precedence in the Consul's of Rome.
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    Well, rewrite chapter 1 is very well written. Funny thought though; what if when you get to where the rewrite is completed and you move back over to GD 1.0, its as if Amann is reviewing their history in the galaxy or something.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Awinita View Post
    Well, rewrite chapter 1 is very well written. Funny thought though; what if when you get to where the rewrite is completed and you move back over to GD 1.0, its as if Amann is reviewing their history in the galaxy or something.

    Just a thought.
    version 1.0 is abandoned.....but rest assured that i won't change the storyline too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amann View Post
    version 1.0 is abandoned.....but rest assured that i won't change the storyline too much.
    Well darn.... hmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amann View Post
    version 1.0 is abandoned.....but rest assured that i won't change the storyline too much.
    TOO much--how much is too much?
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    Hey Amann--a while ago you mentioned possibly doing a Stargate SG-1/Star Trek x-over in which Amann meets up with some of the Star Trek beings. If you do, I thought it would be very amusing if you included Q and maybe the rest of the Q Continuum. Amann would go homicidal on Q considering they have very different temperaments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StargateWatcher View Post
    Hey Amann--a while ago you mentioned possibly doing a Stargate SG-1/Star Trek x-over in which Amann meets up with some of the Star Trek beings. If you do, I thought it would be very amusing if you included Q and maybe the rest of the Q Continuum. Amann would go homicidal on Q considering they have very different temperaments.
    Amann would most certainly be annoyed by Q. Q is a master troll.

    Also changed Amann's personality a bit.....made him a bit more sarcastic. I have a scene between him and Thor already written with Amann showing massive amounts of sarcasm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amann View Post
    Amann would most certainly be annoyed by Q. Q is a master troll.

    Also changed Amann's personality a bit.....made him a bit more sarcastic. I have a scene between him and Thor already written with Amann showing massive amounts of sarcasm.
    Yes and you have shown me it already, in fact I have an idea, perhaps when we see Silver Wolf and Black Wolf again I can write the scene up for you a bit..... OR we can use Titanpad and write up the scene together all in one sitting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amann View Post
    Amann would most certainly be annoyed by Q. Q is a master troll.

    Also changed Amann's personality a bit.....made him a bit more sarcastic. I have a scene between him and Thor already written with Amann showing massive amounts of sarcasm.


    Wonder if Amann can harm Q. The majority of forum users who've commented in the various AScended Beings vs Q Continuum threads favor the Q.C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StargateWatcher View Post
    Wonder if Amann can harm Q. The majority of forum users who've commented in the various AScended Beings vs Q Continuum threads favor the Q.C.
    Yeah, even a fully ascended being couldn't win against the Q. Amann isn't a true omnipotent, even as an Ascended. You can trick them, as the other Ascended did to the Ori. Amann might slow Q down for a few minutes, but would lose. It would be the equivalent of punching someone in the face and shattering their nose, but Amann would be out of energy and Q would just stomp him flat. I would venture the Ascended are powerful enough to fight the Q, but would lose hard after a while. The Q cannot obliterate them instantly like they could do to mortals, but the Ascended don't have the juice to fight the Q one on one. Maybe if the Ascended as a collective concentrated on a few Q at a time...... But one vs one and collective vs collective......Q stomps.

    Still, would be an interesting interaction, especially if Amann is in the TNG era. Amann would be contemptuous of the Federation I would think, if for no other reason than their softness. Alesian government is.....closest to the Romulans, with hints of the Cardassians. More Romulan-ish than anything, with the Roman tendencies and the Romulan Imperial Senate very comparable to the Lower Council of Alesia. Amann isn't the most open minded of people when it comes to government and idealogy. He'll accept military and political tactics when it suits him to do something outside the box, but his way of running things is.....in his mind, the best way to do it.

    This is both a strength and weakness. On the one hand, Amann truly believes in his system and will fight to the death to defend it. That gives him resolve, which is never to be underestimated.

    On the other hand, he shuts out idealogy that could benefit his people, and doesn't always make him friends. In some ways, this might be a good thing, since he also shuts out idealogy that could harm his people. But Amann can be abrasive when it comes to his people. In an upcoming scene with Thor, Amann and our favorite Asgard argue heavily on the matter of Alesian expansion and the reasons for the war, plus the Goa'uld existence. Amann in the new version is more......sarcastic....and a bit of a prick. I did it deliberately to give him a bit more character, and showcase more realism to a character like Amann. Every strong willed politician has a side that is abrasive and can be nasty. And since Amann was a former military officer and has those traditions and attitudes ingrained in him, he is more abrasive than most in his management style.

    Amann was orphaned when he was 8, his parents dying in a reactor accident on board their ship. So in a real sense, he was raised by the state and he enlisted in the Lantean Fleet. He eventually got to serve and then captain the Lantean Empire Ship Angelan. To him, the fleet was his first true sense of belonging. That, plus his desire to impress his parents is what drove formed his personality.

    But Amann also saw what he perceived to be a weakness in the Lantean political and social system. He thought they were getting weaker and softer, unwilling to make the tough decisions to fight and hold on to what they had. He feared that the Lanteans would be unprepared for an enemy that could and would take away from them. It goes a long way in explained how he thinks the way he does. Then he was exiled after he tried to take over the council in a coup. This shows why he is a hard, and sometimes very bitter man. Alesia is not the most temperate of worlds after all, and it was a remote planet. It felt like his family cast him out for thinking differently and trying to do what he thought was right. Hence his bitterness toward Lanteans.
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    [QUOTE=Amann;13304842]Yeah, even a fully ascended being couldn't win against the Q. Amann isn't a true omnipotent, even as an Ascended. You can trick them, as the other Ascended did to the Ori. Amann might slow Q down for a few minutes, but would lose. It would be the equivalent of punching someone in the face and shattering their nose, but Amann would be out of energy and Q would just stomp him flat. I would venture the Ascended are powerful enough to fight the Q, but would lose hard after a while. The Q cannot obliterate them instantly like they could do to mortals, but the Ascended don't have the juice to fight the Q one on one. Maybe if the Ascended as a collective concentrated on a few Q at a time...... But one vs one and collective vs collective......Q stomps.
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    I always thought thinking through the concept of omnipotence is very tricky. A Q can harm another Q after all, so they're not truly omnipotent. You seem to have thought this scenario one out very well. Another Stargate/Star Trek fan wrote a fanfic in which Q simply snapped his fingers and first kiled off a bunch of Ori in one-sided massacre and then took away all the Ascended Beings' powers. He analogized the Ascended as being 4th-dimensional beings while the Qs were 11th-dimensional beings; dunno how accurate he was being. I think Q at one point admitted to Picard the Q weren't literally omnipotent, but they are definitely virtually omnipotent. I think that Picard figured out that Q was interested in observing humans like him b/c one day, if they kept acting according to theri personalities, they would become even more powerful than the Q Continuum. Good for us humans!! :-D Being someone who became a Stargate fan long before he became a Star Trek fan and only got into the sc-fi genre b/c of getting into Stargate, I felt dismayed to even think that the Q might be more powerful than the Ascended, but I've come to accept that possiblity b/c it's not so dismaying really; the Ascended were trying to reach a higher existence plain after all, so if they're diligent and inventive enough they'll be able to do that. Also Qs like Q like to boast about and show off their powers while the non-Ori Ascended tend to show themselves veyr little period, so to a certain extent we can't be completely sure that the Qs are more powerful.
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    [QUOTE=Amann;13304842]
    Still, would be an interesting interaction, especially if Amann is in the TNG era. Amann would be contemptuous of the Federation I would think, if for no other reason than their softness. Alesian government is.....closest to the Romulans, with hints of the Cardassians. More Romulan-ish than anything, with the Roman tendencies and the Romulan Imperial Senate very comparable to the Lower Council of Alesia. Amann isn't the most open minded of people when it comes to government and idealogy. He'll accept military and political tactics when it suits him to do something outside the box, but his way of running things is.....in his mind, the best way to do it.

    On the other hand, he shuts out idealogy that could benefit his people, and doesn't always make him friends. In some ways, this might be a good thing, since he also shuts out idealogy that could harm his people. But Amann can be abrasive when it comes to his people. In an upcoming scene with Thor, Amann and our favorite Asgard argue heavily on the matter of Alesian expansion and the reasons for the war, plus the Goa'uld existence. Amann in the new version is more......sarcastic....and a bit of a prick. I did it deliberately to give him a bit more character, and showcase more realism to a character like Amann. Every strong willed politician has a side that is abrasive and can be nasty. And since Amann was a former military officer and has those traditions and attitudes ingrained in him, he is more abrasive than most in his management style.
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    Interesting; yes the Romulan Senate is very belligerent and power-hungry. They don't exactly play nicely. The Romulans do seem, or at least one does, to be trying to improve relations with their galactic neighbors tho by the time of TNG and the Nemesis movie.

    Amann will be even more of a prick than he is in GD 11.0--well, he'll be more annoying most of the time and more amusing sometimes. Being ex-military explains that he's so abrasive. Although in the US we've had a gooid number of ex-military presidents, and they weren't necessarily so abrasive. Altho Andy JAckson definitely was and Grant could be when defending the actions of the crooks in his adminstration. Tho don't strong-willed politicans tend to be more abrasMaybe not necessarily. Interesting how Thor is current military as well as concurrently serving on the Asgard High Council, but he's gernreally much less abrasive than Amann. Maybe an Asgard personality trait. Altho Thoir can also be extremely scary when he's pissed off and his opponents better heed him. he was abel to go head-tohead with Amann by being equally nasty. Wouldbe amusing if Freyr dealt with Amann b/c Freyr can sometimes be the polar opposite of Tho in generral. Freyr and Amann would probably scare the courasge out of some people with them bickering so fiercely. :-D

    So Amann actually tries to oust Moros and the rest of ther Council by using force rather than by outarguing them--interesting.
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    Indeed, we can't. We don't know the limits of the Ascended, but I don't think they are full on omnipotent or at least, not on the scale that Q are (Q aren't true ones either....but i think more so than Ascended).

    Stargate as a setting itself stomps Star Trek though.....in terms of power. Even Goa'uld stuff is better. More powerful weapons, more mobile, and much faster hyperdrive. Never mind higher end stuff like Asgard and Ancient stuff.

    I remember discussing a possible scenario where a few Alesian ships get stuck in the Star Trek universe. I dismissed any possibility of it working simply on how bad Alesian ships would stomp the local powers. I imagined something like 2 Angelans being the first appearance in Wolf 359 right between the two fleets, thereby getting fired on by both sides. The Alesians prepare to deliver a one sided stomp to the Borg and Federation. It was amusing for an hour or so when talking with AoA about that.

    The Borg would get stomped and eaten by the replicators. Hard. The only way Star Trek could win is by zerg rush. Stargate fleets are relatively tiny while large fleets are in the hundreds for Star Trek. Although.....when you got ships that can solo entire feets.......who knows. Depends on who it is....Ancients just drone swarm numbers, Asgard show Federation how beaming tech is done, Goa'uld.......probably lose quite a bit, but win.

    On Amann himself.....well Amann isn't always a prick. But he can have a nasty side to him. Amann pretty much thought the negligence of the High Council was sufficient to overthrow. Strangely enough, just thought of it in context. Amann overthrowing the Council with his current ideals is much like the Founding Fathers. Overthrowing bad or corrupt rulers in favor of a new government. The Founders advocated that heavily, hence the push of the 2nd Amendment.

    Amann nearly succeeded too, and would have if the key man in the operation didn't betray him. He managed to get the supreme commander of the Lantean Fleet on his side, but it was a trick. The Commander was loyal and whipped out his weapon and turned it on Amann, and therefore most of Amann's loyal forces were still loyal to the Council when that happened. Had Amann succeeded, it would be doubtful the Wraith would have won at all. The Ancients lost the war due to arrogance and incompetence. Sending single ships without escort into Wraith territory with no thought of what to hit. They lacked mission objectives or a cohesive strategy. The Wraith didn't. Even an inferior enemy can defeat a superior one if the superior one is careless and the inferior one determined enough to win. Amann would have kept groups of ships together, using superior speed to zoom around any concentrations of Wraith fleet he couldn't handle, and destroy Wraith infrastructure like shipyards, clone labs, isolated groups of ships......
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    [QUOTE=Amann;13308791]Stargate as a setting itself stomps Star Trek though.....in terms of power. Even Goa'uld stuff is better. More powerful weapons, more mobile, and much faster hyperdrive. Never mind higher end stuff like Asgard and Ancient stuff.
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    I'd agree with you to a good extent that Stargate generally stomps Star Trek in terms of power. I do think there are a few exceptions tho when considering non-Q and non-Ascended. There were the Ancient Humanoids that seeded humanoid life about little over 3 billion years ago. Then there were the Iconians, who created the Iconian Doorway, who some fans of both serieses consider more advaned than even the Stargate. Then there were the Organians who 'ascended' millions of years ago. As well as the T'cherks or some name like that, who were able to move A SUN--GOSH out of their solar system and move a sun into theri solar system to replace it. They also created 'Guardians', who could move an entire Enterprise-class vessel. Tho problem is, very few of these races left their tech around for the later inhabitants of the galaxies to be able to use lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amann View Post
    On Amann himself.....well Amann isn't always a prick. But he can have a nasty side to him. Amann pretty much thought the negligence of the High Council was sufficient to overthrow. Strangely enough, just thought of it in context. Amann overthrowing the Council with his current ideals is much like the Founding Fathers. Overthrowing bad or corrupt rulers in favor of a new government. The Founders advocated that heavily, hence the push of the 2nd Amendment.

    Amann nearly succeeded too, and would have if the key man in the operation didn't betray him. He managed to get the supreme commander of the Lantean Fleet on his side, but it was a trick. The Commander was loyal and whipped out his weapon and turned it on Amann, and therefore most of Amann's loyal forces were still loyal to the Council when that happened. Had Amann succeeded, it would be doubtful the Wraith would have won at all. The Ancients lost the war due to arrogance and incompetence. Sending single ships without escort into Wraith territory with no thought of what to hit. They lacked mission objectives or a cohesive strategy. The Wraith didn't. Even an inferior enemy can defeat a superior one if the superior one is careless and the inferior one determined enough to win. Amann would have kept groups of ships together, using superior speed to zoom around any concentrations of Wraith fleet he couldn't handle, and destroy Wraith infrastructure like shipyards, clone labs, isolated groups of ships......
    You make a good point, one can indeed argue that Amann thought he was overthrowing a corrupt and/or negligent goverment. After all, Moros seemed to monopolize power on the High Council and he certainly didn't lead the Lanteans to win against the Wraith.

    The Commander who threatened to shoot Amann must've really believed in the current High Council or didn't like Amann very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StargateWatcher View Post
    You make a good point, one can indeed argue that Amann thought he was overthrowing a corrupt and/or negligent goverment. After all, Moros seemed to monopolize power on the High Council and he certainly didn't lead the Lanteans to win against the Wraith.

    The Commander who threatened to shoot Amann must've really believed in the current High Council or didn't like Amann very much.
    He had a strong sense of loyalty to the Council, even if he actually did agree with Amann on certain things. He felt rotten betraying him, but he thought that Amann's way wasn't the right one. So while he disagreed with how the Council did things, he still believed in the entity and couldn't condone Amann's actions.
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