GAME OF THRONES - SEASON TWO WHAT IS DEAD MAY NEVER DIE EPISODE NUMBER - 203 While Theon struggles to regain the trust of his old family, Tyrion manipulates the Council members to ferret out a snitch. Catalyn arrives in the Stormlands and finds Renly Baratheon, who has set himself up as a king and plans to marry his lover's sister, and King Joffrey's soldiers return for Gendry on the road north. VISIT THE EPISODE GUIDE >> |
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Last edited by GateWorld; 26 April 2012, 02:35 PM. -
Tyrion really stole the show in this episode, especially with how he managed to flush out Pycelle. As with the books, I always did love it when Tyrion managed to antagonize Cersei and this episode was no exception.
The scenes at Pyke were well-acted. The Greyjoys are so utterly different from the Starks I'm sometimes astonished to believe that Theon would seek acceptance and respect from them.
Spoiler:That Drowned God baptism and his desire to please his birth family really sets him on a destructive path later.sigpic
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Originally posted by Gen. Chris View PostDid anyone else think Sansa looked a lot more mature in this episode?
Anyway I loved the episode, including the Sansa scenes, those were very subtle, so much was just conveyed with glances and looks. The rest of the episode was grand was well, best they've done this season. Brienne and Magarey were brilliant, as were the scenes in King' Landing, the Greyjoys and Arya's scenes. In particular I loved the directing and editing of this episode, particularly Tyrion's bit trying to root out the informant for his sister, that was very well staged, as was Theon burning his letter and his subsequent baptism, That was some great directing from Alik Sakarov, who's a regular HBO director, worked on stuff like the Sopranos. Finally that last scene was sad, but pretty great. They certainly streamlined that bit from the books, probably for reasons of time, budget and pacing, but it still got the salient plot points across and Yoren go to go out like a badass. Francis Magee gave a great performance.
And Lommy took an arrow in the knee. And then a needle to the throat.
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Even though I have read the books, it has been a while and watching the show always brings up new stuff or things I had forgotten. I can't remember if Tyrion does the same thing in the books, but either way it was fun to watch.
It was sad to see Theon choose the path of supporting his family who doesn't respect him one bit.
Spoiler:Also because I know what's coming, and he was so close to making a decision that could have totally altered many tidings in the wars, had he not burned the letter to Robb.
I know the scenes with Renly, Loras and Margery were not in the books, but I thought it was a great idea to include them. Mainly because Renly is one of the kings in the war so he does deserve more attention to his character. Also Margery becomes a pivotal character later on for various reasons, so it is nice to get acquainted with her character early on. In the books you only hear about her in passing from other POV characters. One other advantage of the seriessigpic
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Best episode of the season so far i loved everything from theon betraying robb to tyrion uncovering cersei's informant and arya's story at the end. i think varys is on top form this season as im loving his character more and more every week.
i thought brienne and margaery made strong first impressions so im looking forward to seeing more of them in the future and it was nice to see renly again.sigpic
The best written female character on trek ever.
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Originally posted by magictrick View PostEven though I have read the books, it has been a while and watching the show always brings up new stuff or things I had forgotten. I can't remember if Tyrion does the same thing in the books, but either way it was fun to watch.
It was sad to see Theon choose the path of supporting his family who doesn't respect him one bit.
Spoiler:Also because I know what's coming, and he was so close to making a decision that could have totally altered many tidings in the wars, had he not burned the letter to Robb.
I know the scenes with Renly, Loras and Margery were not in the books, but I thought it was a great idea to include them. Mainly because Renly is one of the kings in the war so he does deserve more attention to his character. Also Margery becomes a pivotal character later on for various reasons, so it is nice to get acquainted with her character early on. In the books you only hear about her in passing from other POV characters. One other advantage of the series
At the same time, I think Robb should've known that Theon's loyalties would be divided. He should never have sent Theon back to the Iron Islands. Robb should've known that the Greyjoys would absolutely hate them after the events of the Greyjoy Rebellion. He could've tried to persuade the Greyjoys with a different emissary but sending Theon... well there are consequences for that.
Originally posted by chrono trigger View PostBest episode of the season so far i loved everything from theon betraying robb to tyrion uncovering cersei's informant and arya's story at the end. i think varys is on top form this season as im loving his character more and more every week.
i thought brienne and margaery made strong first impressions so im looking forward to seeing more of them in the future and it was nice to see renly again.sigpic
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Originally posted by Cold Fuzz View PostTheon's an interesting character. He's a classic example of someone pretending to be something they are not in order to gain acceptance with their family. I just had to shake my head at his Drowned God baptism and him burning that letter to Robb. Some very fateful choices there.
At the same time, I think Robb should've known that Theon's loyalties would be divided. He should never have sent Theon back to the Iron Islands. Robb should've known that the Greyjoys would absolutely hate them after the events of the Greyjoy Rebellion. He could've tried to persuade the Greyjoys with a different emissary but sending Theon... well there are consequences for that.sigpic
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Its possible that sending Theon is meant to be an example of Robb's lack of experience and forethought. Anyone else would know that there's massive issues and to not send him, or at least not send him alone.
I may have read the books wrong but Margery's characterization is different. I'd always gotten the 'innocent wife caught up in the whole mess' feeling from her (no pun intended) but, especially in casting Natalie Dormier, (she'll always be ann bolyn to me) Margery's not some shy innocent soul, she's a schemer but also very aware of the consequences of things....such as doing whatever is needed to cement her role and her husband's role (I don't care if you don't like girls, we need to do what we need to do so you can get me pregnant)
makes her more of an active participant than a victim...and kinda sets up the later seasons when she and Cersei have their confrontations.
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Originally posted by magictrick View PostTheon just reeks of deception.
Originally posted by Skydiver View PostIts possible that sending Theon is meant to be an example of Robb's lack of experience and forethought. Anyone else would know that there's massive issues and to not send him, or at least not send him alone.
I may have read the books wrong but Margery's characterization is different. I'd always gotten the 'innocent wife caught up in the whole mess' feeling from her (no pun intended) but, especially in casting Natalie Dormier, (she'll always be ann bolyn to me) Margery's not some shy innocent soul, she's a schemer but also very aware of the consequences of things....such as doing whatever is needed to cement her role and her husband's role (I don't care if you don't like girls, we need to do what we need to do so you can get me pregnant)
makes her more of an active participant than a victim...and kinda sets up the later seasons when she and Cersei have their confrontations.
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To be fair about Robb and Theon, this is someone Robb has known for 9 years and had called him friend, brother, and was among the first to proclaim him King in the North. And it would make sense for Robb to believe that maybe Balon would ally with them because of the essential return of his only son, despite the shared past between Greyjoys and Starks. But Robb should have definitely sent another person along as well, but I fear that other person might have been killed.
Personally (I don't know what will happen after this yet cause I haven't read Clash of Kings or later) I believe Theon is making the worst choice imaginable...sigpic
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Originally posted by Gen. Chris View PostTo be fair about Robb and Theon, this is someone Robb has known for 9 years and had called him friend, brother, and was among the first to proclaim him King in the North. And it would make sense for Robb to believe that maybe Balon would ally with them because of the essential return of his only son, despite the shared past between Greyjoys and Starks. But Robb should have definitely sent another person along as well, but I fear that other person might have been killed.
And anybody sent along with Theon probably would have had their throat cut as soon as they stepped foot on the dock.
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