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    #16
    Originally posted by AlexanderD View Post
    It's possible that the Arcturus device from Trinity might have been perfected. Given time, in a non wartime setting it's likely.
    Wormhole Drive tech was abandoned by the Ancients due to enormous power requirements, and instability according to Zelenka in EATG. It's very likely that Drones would still be in use. They left an outpost stocked with them on Earth, and continued to make use of them millions of years later against the Wraith. Naquadria wasn't an Ancient development, instead it was Goa'uld based on canon. Destiny's mission would still not be complete, so I doubt Ancients would be onboard today had they not ascended.
    But with Arcturus working power requirements wouldn't be an issue

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      #17
      Originally posted by Rise Of The Phoenix View Post
      The reason why the Ancients begun researching tapping ZPE from the vacume of space was because they needed more power to fight the Wraith
      You seem to forget about the ZPM chair on Taonas where O'Neill flew SG-1 to retrieve, the ZPM and chair platform in Antartica where Atlantis was based prior to leaving for the Pegasus galaxy a few million years prior to encountering the wraith.

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        #18
        Originally posted by StargateWatcher View Post
        amazing how the Earthans are able to resolve failed Ancient experiments of such a high profile eh?
        They didn't. The device was likely shut off in a safe way and it only had to be turned on and checked. We used it because we were desperate and the gamble was worth it. For daily use though?


        Originally posted by garhkal View Post
        Perhaps the arcturus project could not be perfected and what we saw the Ori use on their ships was only perfected cause of the ascended ori lending their might.
        Arcturus likely can be perfected. It just requires more knowledge, knowledge the Ori had.


        Originally posted by Bhousden View Post
        You seem to forget about the ZPM chair on Taonas where O'Neill flew SG-1 to retrieve, the ZPM and chair platform in Antartica where Atlantis was based prior to leaving for the Pegasus galaxy a few million years prior to encountering the wraith.
        ZPM's are just bottle universes. He's talking about the Arcturus which specifically draws energy from main universes.



        Originally posted by Todd the prior View Post
        now, i don't know if this is a thread or not, i certainly could't find it, but if there was no plague, and they didn't ascend anyway, what would the ancients be like now? for example, would they have perfected the trinity gun/power creation device? would worm hole drives be standard on all their ships? would they still be using drones? would naquadria have been perfected by them? Would destiny have been used? and most importantly, what would the stargates be like?
        please answer these questions and any other things you think the ancients may have done.
        If there was no plague the Ancients would've ascended, and judging from the Lanteans, their civilization would've declined until only the worst and weakest ancients are left.

        The Ancients seemed to have advanced very slowly (but judging from their lifespans they likely didn't care: they had no enemies whatsoever and plenty of time). So i doubt that they would've gotten that much further.

        However, if given enough time they may have built their own Supergates, created their own Arcturi (i assume one can create a matter bridge like 2 stargates and use the dimension drive from Daedalus Variations to place it in an empty universe) and never bothered with any kind of planet-side base ever again.

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          #19
          Originally posted by thekillman View Post
          ZPM's are just bottle universes. He's talking about the Arcturus which specifically draws energy from main universes.
          Read it again, he's talking about zero point energy which is what a ZPM contains. The Arcturus device draws energy from subspace, not the same thing zero point energy.

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            #20
            Originally posted by thekillman View Post
            Arcturus likely can be perfected. It just requires more knowledge, knowledge the Ori had.
            Or like Mccay tried in Mccay and Mrs Miller, they shunted the exotic particles created into another reality and just didn't care what happened TO that reality.

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              #21
              Originally posted by garhkal View Post
              Or like Mccay tried in Mccay and Mrs Miller, they shunted the exotic particles created into another reality and just didn't care what happened TO that reality.
              McKay might not have cared what happened to the alternate reality, but I think you're one important fact. The McKay that came to our reality pointed out the fact the scientists in his universe were trying an experiment which likely would've ripped a tear in the fabric of the universe.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Bhousden View Post
                Read it again, he's talking about zero point energy which is what a ZPM contains. The Arcturus device draws energy from subspace, not the same thing zero point energy.
                Arcturus does the same except for our reality. It doesn't draw energy from subspace, the capacitor from Daeadalus Variations did.

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