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    Default So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    Haven't watched all of BSG yet. But I'm curious...Why did this series only last for 18 episodes? What exactly was wrong with it that it didn't draw the audience that BSG did?

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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    There are a number of different reasons, many stemming from Syfylis' mismanagement of the show.


    In the first place, the series' pilot was announced and then sat on for the better part of a year. So any initial hype that had built up had almost completely dissipated by the time it aired/was released on DVD.

    Once it came time to begin the series, they chose again to do something stupid. Rather than treat the pilot movie as a miniseries--the way they'd done with BSG--the pilot was re-aired as the premiere episode of the series with just some minor VFX changes to justify. So anybody who was already interested and following the project was underwhelmed by the launch, because it was really just a repeat.

    Fast forward 10 weeks. The retarded monkeys running Syfy's scheduling department insist on their mid-season break in yet another serialized show, so the running narrative of the series is disrupted and you're more than likely to lose the casual viewers.

    Then we entered no man's land. Literally from March until nearly the end of September, Syfy had nothing to say about the series. No premiere date for the second half, no news, no nothing. All we had were rumours of impending cancellation, which they of course dismissed. And then with just a month of lead-time (which is the blink of an eye in terms of promotion; practically non-existent), they announced the back half return.

    So the second half starts to shockingly little fanfare and then is only allowed to air four episodes before they decide to cancel it and yank it from the schedule, and don't bother airing the final five episodes until a "burn-off" marathon three months later. Oh and by the way, it comes out around this time, they were stringing you along with hopes of renewal because the sets had actually been torn down prior to the second half premiere.


    This is not to say that the show itself is without blame. The first half of the season was run by the perennially-overrated Jane Espenson, who seems to get all sorts of praise from within the biz even though she can't write a decent episode to save her life (much less run a show). Consequently there were a number of episodes that just weren't very good, and turned a lot of viewers off early on in the show.

    The second half of the season, bearing little resemblance to the first half, was so much better it was like night and day. But by then, the damage was done.
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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    People, including me, were expecting ships flying through space and robots everywhere and when they didn't get that they left the show, unlike me.

    It was a good show but people are impatient and wanted all the information that they gave out over the season to be revealed in the pilot.

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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    I'd say that DigiFluid and escyos have it right. People were expecting a lot of action like BSG had, and when they didn't get it they were disappointed. I really think that the scheduling had the most to do with it though. If I'm not mistaken, SyFy had planned on showing the first ten episodes in January and then finish the last ten the following January. I could be wrong about that though. Plus, after they decided to finally show the final episodes they threw it on Tuesdays where the competition was much harder on the show.

    That's all just my opinion though.
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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    I don't buy the scheduling excuse as Caprica failed in the pilot episode
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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    Personally, I don't think anything was wrong with Caprica. IMO, it was becoming a very good show, and sadly got cut short.

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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    Interesting...And thank you especially, Digifluid, for the very detailed explanation

    What are other peoples opinions?

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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    Nothing was wrong with the show. I think I liked it even more than BSG.

    But like SGU, it's just not what the casual science fiction fan / average Syfy viewer is into (space battles, people shooting at eachother, superhero characters, a single antagonist etc.).

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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris View Post
    Nothing was wrong with the show. I think I liked it even more than BSG.

    But like SGU, it's just not what the casual science fiction fan / average Syfy viewer is into (space battles, people shooting at eachother, superhero characters, a single antagonist etc.).
    So pretty much mostly interesting to people who are/were heavily interested in the back story?

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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris View Post
    Nothing was wrong with the show. I think I liked it even more than BSG.

    But like SGU, it's just not what the casual science fiction fan / average Syfy viewer is into (space battles, people shooting at eachother, superhero characters, a single antagonist etc.).
    In otherwords, it didn't cater to the ignorant and idiotic masses who only understand 'kablewy!!!'


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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    I have to agree with DigiFluid, I remember waiting forever to see the show, then when it finally did air it didn't last long and then they took a long break. Also I think the storyline was very slow. I didn't expect flying ships and all but I did want to see how the Cylons got skin, that's all I was interested in and how the final five was born or created. I wanted to hear more about the Cylons in general, I thought that was what it was going to be about. I think they got lost in establishing the backstory and it just dragged on and on and on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tmoore4261 View Post
    I was interested in and how the final five was born or created.
    Why would you expect that from a show about Caprica?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Why would you expect that from a show about Caprica?
    Because that's what Caprica was about not only the two families but the Cylon backstory. And actually the other family not Adama was responsible for creating them that's what the daughter in the robot was all about ... partially.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tmoore4261 View Post
    Because that's what Caprica was about not only the two families but the Cylon backstory. And actually the other family not Adama was responsible for creating them that's what the daughter in the robot was all about ... partially.
    But the Final Five had nothing to do with Caprica, nor the creation of the Colonial (robot) Cylons.
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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    Yeah ... I'm probably going to have to do a BSG rewatch eventually, but I thought it all started in Caprica not just the Cylon robots but "the skinjobs" too. And I thought the "final five" were more their diety so to speak, so I thought there would be something about them ... remember ... it had all happened before?

    The creation of the Colonial Cylons was in Caprica, that was definately in the beginning.


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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    Yeah you may want to

    Spoilers for ALL of BSG
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    Kobol
    Thirteen tribes lived there. Twelve of Man, Thirteenth of Cylon. Unknown whether they were Centurion-style Cylons. Something happened that drove out the Thirteenth Tribe, who eventually ended up on Revelations Earth as humanoid. Twelve Tribes lasted another thousand years on Kobol till some mysterious cataclysm forced them out too and they took off to form the Colonies.

    Earth 1
    Human Cylons of 13th Tribe live and reproduce sexually. Decide they want machines, build Centurions and treat them as slaves. Final Five begin receiving visions of "angels" who warn them of impending disaster and to accelerate work on reviving the Resurrection process. Five have Resurrection Ship built in orbit of world. Centurions rise up and nuclear holocaust wipes out all life on Earth 1. Final Five download to their ship and decide to head back to warn the other 12 Tribes to treat their creations well, but have to do so at sublight speed.

    Colonies
    Settle and spread out, eventually building Centurions of their own. Treat Centurions badly, Centurions rise up.

    War and Inter-war
    Final Five arrive in Colonial Space to find the Colonies and their creations already at war. Final Five negotiate with Cylons--peace for the humans in exchange for organic bodies. Five create Cavil, who helps create the other seven models.

    Cavil kills Number Seven and poisons his entire line out of jealousy, and then kills the Five. Then he reprograms the other six models never to think of the Five, while he keeps their backup bodies hidden. Eventually, he inserts false memories of their lives and deposits them in Colonial space.
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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    I'm finding it extremely tempting to read that...Must...not...

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    Default Re: So what exactly was wrong with this series?

    It was the failure of the production staff to get a two or three season deal from syfy.

    This show needed a lot of set up time to really get going, a lot of info need to be dump on to the audience and a lot players needed to to revealed and have there back stories told, before you could get into the Cylon and Caprica civil war. Plus I think scheduling was a major problem.


    An Jane Jane Espenson the destroyer was it second biggest problem. (is there a show she has not joined that has not cancelled shortly afterwards)

    Caprica also suffered from the lack of exploration of the other 11 colonies and revealing of the colonies history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knowles2 View Post
    An Jane Jane Espenson the destroyer was it second biggest problem. (is there a show she has not joined that has not cancelled shortly afterwards)
    Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Battlestar Galactica. I personally like Jane Espenson's stories. Caprica had way too many things against it to last on SyFy. SyFy's attempts lately at more serious sci-fi aren't treated well. I think they'd rather do the more light hearted stuff and imploy their out of a series actors to do all those awful sci-fi movies. But then does the general public even want more serious sci-fi? I just watched Outcasts from the Brits. I KNEW it was cancelled. I KNEW it was going to be a short run. However I read many good things about it, so watched it.

    I have happily added Caprica to my BSG collection. I'm gratefull what did get done, got done. My hopes for Blood and Chrome though are looking more like a black hole.

    I wish Canada's Space had the funds to do a really good serious sci-fi show because I'm really not into that weird Todd and the Book of Evil (which is probably supernatural anyway).

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    Buffy the Vampire Slayer was Jane Espenson one shot wonder never to be repeated. Like it has been for Joss Whedon, when you look at the length of the series, commercial and critical success neither have really repeated the success they had with Buffy the Vampire Slayer in any of there other projects, most of which have been cancelled after the first season or two. Warehouse 13 is her most successful project since Buffy, she was co creator but I do not think she worked on it much, and it my opinion is rather crap anyway.

    When you look at her work on Buffy much of it was as joint writer or completing the writing work on an episode, 9 out of her 23 episodes.


    Jane joined BSG in season 4, consider by some fans and certainly by me as the worst season of BSG.

    She worked on Torchwood season 4, which was widely panned by critics and fans alike.
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