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    Is the US Declaration of Independence illegal?

    Is the US Declaration of Independence illegal?

    The American Case:
    The Declaration is unquestionably "legal". Under basic principles of "Natural Law", government can only be by the consent of the people and there comes a point when allegiance is no longer required in face of tyranny.

    The legality of the Declaration and its validity is proven by subsequent independence movements which have been enforced by world opinion as right and just, based on the fundamental principles of equality and self-determination now reflected in the UN Charter.

    The British Case:
    The Declaration of Independence was not only illegal, but actually treasonable. There is no legal principle then or now to allow a group of citizens to establish their own laws because they want to. What if Texas decided today it wanted to secede from the Union?

    Lincoln made the case against secession and he was right. The Declaration of Independence itself, in the absence of any recognised legal basis, had to appeal to "natural law", an undefined concept, and to "self-evident truths", that is to say truths for which no evidence could be provided.

    The grievances listed in the Declaration were too trivial to justify secession. The main one - no taxation without representation - was no more than a wish on the part of the colonists, to avoid paying for the expense of protecting them against the French during seven years of arduous war and conflict.

    (Source: BBC news)

    Note for Americans: don't take this too seriously!
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    I find it bizarre that someone would try to judge an 1776 event by today's legal standards.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Womble View Post
      I find it bizarre that someone would try to judge an 1776 event by today's legal standards.
      You're not to take it seriously!
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        #4
        it was

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          #5
          It was but it won't be for long.
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            #6
            Strictly speaking, it was an insurgency. And therefore illegal.


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              #7
              Your right. Tax our Tea.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Flyboy View Post
                Strictly speaking, it was an insurgency. And therefore illegal.
                an insurgency against known tyrants.....and people have the natural right to seek a life free of oppressive tyranny

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                  #9
                  Not in a court of law they don't.
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                    #10
                    wanna bet? if the law of the land is inherently unfair or unjust....expect rebellion

                    people refuse to live in slavery....once we realized that we were no more than slaves to the British we naturally rebelled

                    so basically the British version implies no right to rebel against tyranny which comes as no surprise....oppressive tyrants naturally will balk when their power is challenged.....which would mean then that the blacks were wrong to seek freedom from slavery and oppression too

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                      #11
                      oppressive tyrants can and do make rebellion illegal...doesn't mean it won't happen anyway.....I'd love to see Britain try to arrest us all now...chances are they'd all be sent back in body bags

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                        #12
                        Dude, read the part about not taking it too seriously....
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                          #13
                          Actually, slavery was abolished more quickly among the British and the Colonies than in the US. "All men are created equal...well, you know what we mean. "
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ukko View Post
                            Dude, read the part about not taking it too seriously....
                            Read the sig, then you'll get why he's taking the interwebz as srs biznes.
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                              #15
                              At the time, yes, it was undoubtedly illegal, but whether or not it's legal or illegal holds no larger importance today. The United States is obviously an independent state and Britain has neither the ability nor the will to "bring them back into the fold" sort of speak, so in the end it's all a discussion which won't lead to anything of consequence.
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