Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 50
  1. #1
    Major Crazedwraith's Avatar
    Member Since
    May 2004
    Location
    Cheshire, UK
    Posts
    2,657

    Default The Two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpiece?

    After getting the Definitive Farscape collection and watching through the complete run. I think I've come to a conclusion that's not shared by most scapers. I don't like Seasons 3 and 4 as much as one or two.

    For one thing, I don't think they ever really recovered from the loss of Zhaan. Jool and Norati never really filled her role.

    But what really got me about season 3 was the twinning thing: Doubling up Crichton. As far as I can see this was done just so they could split the cast between Moya and Talyn and still have the 'star' Browder appear in all the episodes. Which just seemed cheap to me. The main cast of Farscape are interesting enough that they can get by without Crichton for a few episodes.

    And the other annoying thing; When the Talyn!Crichton dies. His holo-message to Moya!Crichton plays rock-paper-sissors with him to prove they're still the same.

    If you're going to have two different Crichtons in two different circumstances, they should be different characters by the end of it. Indeed they seemed to be going this way, without Aeryn Moya!Crichton was maybe a bit grumpier and didn't get on well with the rest of the crew. But this affect really should have been a lot more pronounced IHMO.

    I'm sorry but that's just how I happen to feel. What do you think?
    Last edited by Crazedwraith; October 23rd, 2011 at 04:48 AM.

    Banner By JME2

  2. #2

    Default Re: The two Chritons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    I tend to agree, as I really enjoyed the first two seasons as well. My personal opinion has always been that sometimes in the show there was just way too much Crichton. The loss of Zhaan was also huge and the replacements, Jool, Noranti and Sikozu did not measure up.

    You have to look at it from the creator's perspective though. The show and main plot revolve around Crichton. Him not being there might take away from it. Though personally I think it would have worked without so much Crichton, I know what they were trying to do with having 2 of them. And for many fans, they succeeded.

    This doesn't take away too much from my enjoyment of the show though, as I really thought it was great.

  3. #3
    General the fifth man's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Running for my life from a hoard of zombies.
    Posts
    34,107

    Default Re: The two Chritons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    For the most part, I thought the two Crichton storyline was pretty entertaining to watch. A little sad too in the end. You got to have our hero sacrifice himself in order to stop that weapon, without losing the character of Crichton for good.

    MS - "Boy, wow that's a great question!"
    "...phu...ah..."
    "Anyone know what SENTIENT means???"
    Sunday is my favorite day for two reasons - Football and The Walking Dead

  4. #4
    Lieutenant General DigiFluid's Avatar
    Member Since
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    18,341

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    I!also!like!to!have!mid!sentence!seizures


    The twinning thing was a stroke of genius. Unlike every other duplicate-character story done in science fiction, they didn't cop out and kill one of them off by the end of the episode. They played it out, and they played it out masterfully.
    "Not every movie is for you. Not every TV show is for you. Not every song is for you. Find the things you like, and like them. Go nuts liking them. A thing ISN’T for you? Cool. Go find something you like. That’s it. That’s as complicated as it should be." -- David Blue

  5. #5
    Colonel P-90_177's Avatar
    Member Since
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Traveling through Time and Space
    Posts
    7,039

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    I agree with Digi. It was very well done. There was also character growth for both crichtons.

    Remember that when they first were seperated they played rock paper scissors over and over again and each time they did they doth drew the same. The time they spent away from eachother not only allowed themselves to grow as we saw one Crichton have to learn to trust Crais and such, but we also saw the rest of the crews affected by what each of them did. In the end we had the blow to aryan as she tried to cope with the death of the man she loved while at the same time having an identical man still alive.

    There are many examples throughout the season of similar things but it will take a rewatch to pick them all out. but you get the idea.

    Also love the final holo message where the crichtons play rock paper scissors one last time and the dead crichton already knows that the out come will be different this time.
    Please do me a huge favour and help me be with the love of my life.

  6. #6
    General maneth's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Exploring space and time with the 9th doctor
    Posts
    21,722

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    I'm of two minds on this. It's obvious why it was done, but to be fair the show wouldn't be the same without Crichton, even if there are other great characters who could carry an episode or two without him, particularly Aeryn. That said, even if I knew all along that one of the Crichtons had to die before the crew reunited, it was so well written that I didn't mind. And when Aeryn met the other Crichton, well, her reaction was really believable and well written too.
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/manephelien/avatars/deadtribbles.jpg

  7. #7
    Major Crazedwraith's Avatar
    Member Since
    May 2004
    Location
    Cheshire, UK
    Posts
    2,657

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    I!also!like!to!have!mid!sentence!seizures
    ??? Sorry about that. The descriptor!name punctuation is common enough in other places I post to distinguish in these kind of cases.

    The twinning thing was a stroke of genius. Unlike every other duplicate-character story done in science fiction, they didn't cop out and kill one of them off by the end of the episode. They played it out, and they played it out masterfully.
    Never watched much TNG then? Their duplicate episode 'Second Chance' ended with both character's more or less content and the duplicate off to serve on another starship officer. He also survived a guest appearance on DS9 as a Marquis though he was captured by Cardassians never to be referenced again...

    And no they didn't cop out with a death at the end of the season, just a death a dozen episodes later.

    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    Also love the final holo message where the crichtons play rock paper scissors one last time and the dead crichton already knows that the out come will be different this time.
    No the outcome wasn't different thought. They both were sissors. That was the point of the scene. Dead Crichton was telling alive Crichton to go stop Scorpius' wormhole project and he knew he'd do it because they were the same person.
    Last edited by Crazedwraith; October 23rd, 2011 at 04:49 AM. Reason: spelling of crichton

    Banner By JME2

  8. #8
    Lieutenant Colonel rushy's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Estonia
    Posts
    4,464

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    Well.
    A-It's Crichton, not Chriton.
    B- Talyn-Crichton basically had the same ending as Moya-Crichton

    "TalynC died when he used the Wormhole weapon on Scarrans and died on a bed at a Leviathan with Stark helping him across."
    "MoyaC died when he used the Wormhole weapon on Scarrans and Sebaceans(and gave mercy) and lived on a bed at a Leviathan with a nice speech from Stark."


    "Change, my dear. And it seems, not a moment too soon." - The Sixth Doctor.

  9. #9
    Major Crazedwraith's Avatar
    Member Since
    May 2004
    Location
    Cheshire, UK
    Posts
    2,657

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    Quote Originally Posted by rushy View Post
    Well.
    A-It's Crichton, not Chriton.
    I'd do the standard, 'that's what i put' joke. :-P But I can't edit the thread title so the unforgivable error will have to remain there and forever shame me...


    B- Talyn-Crichton basically had the same ending as Moya-Crichton

    "TalynC died when he used the Wormhole weapon on Scarrans and died on a bed at a Leviathan with Stark helping him across."
    "MoyaC died when he used the Wormhole weapon on Scarrans and Sebaceans(and gave mercy) and lived on a bed at a Leviathan with a nice speech from Stark."
    Um, interesting as that is. It doesn't seem to relate to what I was saying.

    Banner By JME2

  10. #10
    Captain Angela V's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Gating around the Universe
    Posts
    1,697

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    It's double the John Crichton. 'Nuff said.

  11. #11

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    I agree that it was never really the same without Zahn, and that Jool and Norati didn't do much to help that. But I think the 2 Chrichton plot was pulled off in a terrific way.

  12. #12
    Robin Masters shipper hannah's Avatar
    Member Since
    Oct 2004
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,340

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    I think it was done extremely well, especially in terms of character development.

  13. #13
    Lieutenant Colonel rushy's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Estonia
    Posts
    4,464

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    Heeeeeeeere's johnny!!!


    "Change, my dear. And it seems, not a moment too soon." - The Sixth Doctor.

  14. #14
    Major gotthammer's Avatar
    Member Since
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Lost in the Uncharted Territories
    Posts
    2,076

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    While I can't say that I liked the episode where the 'duplication' happened, I definitely liked how they pulled off the two Crichtons arc.
    I mean, from the start, it was obvious one was going to die/disappear, but how they did it, as well as the consequences (for the crew, esp. Aeryn and still-alive John), made it great.
    http://forum.gateworld.net/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=43546&dateline=1312852922

  15. #15
    General maneth's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Exploring space and time with the 9th doctor
    Posts
    21,722

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    Yeah, I absolutely agree with you.
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/manephelien/avatars/deadtribbles.jpg

  16. #16
    Lieutenant Colonel Ouroboros's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    4,846

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    I thought that this arc really defined what separated Farscape from a lot of other Sci-fi in the sense that the clone was not immediately and conveniently killed via the plot in the same episode he was created. That would have been the easy "self contained episode" reset that would occur 99% of the time in a situation like this.

    Either he dies before the episode is over, starts to melt later, turns evil or somehow becomes easily distinguishable from the "real" Crichton.

    Instead he survives and they actually have the characters have to deal with that. They never even tell you which one is the "real" original Crichton but rather imply that there isn't one at all because of how the twinning process works.

    The audience doesn't get any hand holding to tell them which one to stay invested in and which one's just the copy.

  17. #17
    First Lieutenant Chricton's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Sometimes my Sentra.
    Posts
    748

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    I!also!like!to!have!mid!sentence!seizures


    The twinning thing was a stroke of genius. Unlike every other duplicate-character story done in science fiction, they didn't cop out and kill one of them off by the end of the episode. They played it out, and they played it out masterfully.
    ^This. I was amazed they didn't kill one at the end of the episode, or even moreso not kill one in the episode that followed where one got severely injured (that one ended up being the one to inevitably live). I was reminded of this sort of non-typical-ness when BSG kept a second battlestar around for 14 episodes.

    I think the whole point was "He's Crichton. He doesn't just die". I cant imagine how different a season or two of SG-1 had played out had they done something like that and keep a twin in the episodes where that option presented itself.
    Music Profile: 83710 Songs --- 3714 Artists --- 7051 Albums

  18. #18
    Staff Sergeant tmoore4261's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    60

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    I really liked the two Chrichton's, sometimes it got a little confusing but it played out well, the holo scene was great.


    "I am worth far more to you than you will admit."

  19. #19
    Staff Sergeant tmoore4261's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    60

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    Originally Posted by rushy
    Well.
    A-It's Crichton, not Chriton.
    Really?? No need for the spelling police ... you know who it is.


    "I am worth far more to you than you will admit."

  20. #20
    General maneth's Avatar
    Member Since
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Exploring space and time with the 9th doctor
    Posts
    21,722

    Default Re: The two Chrichtons: Cheesy ploy, or masterpeice?

    There can never be too many Crichtons.
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/manephelien/avatars/deadtribbles.jpg

Tags for this Thread

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 53
    Last Post: January 23rd, 2011, 02:13 AM
  2. The Greer ploy.
    By Kanten in forum Incursion, Part 2
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: June 14th, 2010, 02:36 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •