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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    GM can sell large vehicles at a higher profit because that's what US consumers WANT. And it's not just for towing/load needs.

    They are safer. 5000+ Lbs is gonna knock an econobox into next week every time. That's the primary motivation for large SUV/Truck class vehicles.
    If that is what they want, then they can sit down and STFU about the 4 plants closing that don't produce what they apparently want.
    If I have 2 plant's in Mexico producing SUV's, and 4 in the US costing me 16000 pay cheques and producing nothing Americans want, why NOT shut them down? Why should they re-tool the plant to produce things that won't sell just to keep American workers happy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Is it?
    Then just store it in coffins, or underground and stop arguing against nuclear energy.
    Easy.
    You're the one that came up with the rocket launch idea, burying underground I've said before is the only option. But guess what? Nobody does it. You played too much Fallout man, I don't want to live in a sh*t pool of stinky radiation.

    So why the hell do you think I am against nuclear? We can't be trusted to handle this properly.

    Do you think for a second you can bring the Russians and the US at a table and discuss nuclear waste disposal options? Russia will deny they even have nuclear waste in the first place.

    You can't have it both ways bro, we need a patch, and that patch is nuclear.
    Dude I bought the DLC and it was a mess, full of bugs. Wasn't worth a baloney.

    Do you know what else needs this chain?
    Your weekly garbage collection.
    EDIT: Rereading your post I'm not sure if this was supposed to be a joke, I thought you meant my posts by my ''weekly garbage collection''

    How many pounds of coal and it's associated problems am I saving per MINTUE in comparison?
    This is the hook with energy, the comparison needs to be in terms of cost in pollution. If I can give a town, a city or a country better results from coal, stick to frigging coal. This is not a X vs Y argument, it's "what works best" argument. The US burns far more than 2.2 million pounds of fuel every day, and if I can run a nuclear powered electric grid that requires that expenditure of independent energy once every few months, I'm more than cool with that. One day, due to need, that won't be an issue, but right now, with current tech as Annoyed likes to say, it's an inevitable cost.
    Spend 2.2 million pounds every day, or spend it once a month to actually dispose of your rubbish?
    No brainer.
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    Back to the negotiation table. What's your plan to convince everybody to give up coal and agree to this plan? The World nations can't even agree on what type of toilet paper they'll use to wipe their dictatorial asses. I'd drop a basic lego at the UN table and they would debate for days on how to open the box.

    did Jupiter explode?
    Did it happen?
    They crashed it into Jupiter, and what happened?
    NOTHING.
    Sure this time. One day maybe you could wake up in a world turned sh*tside down because its been announced we're all dead a year from now. sh*t happens when you play russian roulette with the celestial gods with Don & poutine in charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    If that is what they want, then they can sit down and STFU about the 4 plants closing that don't produce what they apparently want.
    If I have 2 plant's in Mexico producing SUV's, and 4 in the US costing me 16000 pay cheques and producing nothing Americans want, why NOT shut them down? Why should they re-tool the plant to produce things that won't sell just to keep American workers happy?
    Because US workers are the people who BUY the SUV's you're still making?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Because US workers are the people who BUY the SUV's you're still making?
    How's that relevant? Are you telling me people don't buy Hondas, Toyotas, etc. that are made overseas? Non-sense, people will keep buying SUV'S no matter where they're built, you said so yourself, its a cultural thing.

    Fact is North-America is not a competitive location for car factories. Also another important fact is that this industry is slowly dying to the benefit of the electric cars plants. All the biggest car makers are shifting towards hybrid & electric.

    Again, if you understood how macro-economy works, you would know that taking these workers and putting them into a more profitable sector of your economy is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    *spies an old lead-acid car battery in the corner*

    Woops...


    Quote Originally Posted by aretood2 View Post
    Personally, I have two words. Nuclear Power. Dumb hippies have stunted research and development into this technology. It is far cleaner than purported and nuclear damage so far...well...it's been much more limited than Katrina, Maria, Irma et al...
    Until it's not and the plants have to be shut down for maintenance at the very inconvenient time that people kinda need the electricity for heating and the likes.

    Belgium woopsydaisy forgot about the high end maintenance of its nuclear powerplants and they are currently shut down because there are ruptures in the casing as it were.

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    *throws banana peel in her path*
    Much more environmentally friendly than a car battery... ... *slips* ... *squeek* .... Ouch!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    Also another important fact is that this industry is slowly dying to the benefit of the electric cars plants. All the biggest car makers are shifting towards hybrid & electric.
    But they're damn expensive still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aretood2 View Post
    Bad city planning is bad city planning, I really don't know why this is even a topic of conversation. There are plenty of towns and cities with trees in perfectly flat and stable sidewalks.
    WHY? Have you (aretood2) *never* seen or walked upon an uplifted sidewalk?

    Because cities/towns plant trees on the curbside of the sidewalks in residential areas. The sidewalks get uplifted when the roots grow and push the sidewalk upward ---- like what an earthquake would do. That makes walking with strollers difficult. I've seen all sorts of angry expressions from people who have to pick up their strollers over such lopsided sidewalk surfaces. Town won't fix it. Resident PAYS taxes for town's beautification process, which includes putting the tree there in the first place. Why can't the city/town be bothered to get a professional mason FIX the uplifted sidewalk?

    What is so difficult to understand with that? I've seen many sidewalks uplifted because of tree roots pushing them upward. Some angles are higher than 6 inches... that presents a very twisted sidewalk. Residents PAY taxes on the sidewalk being there, in the first place, but some residents cannot afford physically to fix it themselves. Usually, where these situations exist, the lawn/property has the houses too close to the sidewalk with virtually little or no lawn between the house and sidewalk. Curb area has grass or tree just planted with little space for roots to move underneath.

    Either the piping underground is too close to the surface, or the tree grew so tall that it just has no room with the underground sewer/storm systems also in place. AND, often the homes where these problems exist, also have cracked foundations from the tree roots seeking more space to move around in, so it presses against the house's foundation and cracks the wall(s) to grow adequately. Otherwise, the roots end up on the surface, stunts the lifespan and growth of the tree; and causes 100 year old trees to fall over during a nasty wind storm, because the tree roots weren't DEEP enough to keep the tree strong and immobile.

    This isn't bad engineering, unless the problem results from bad piping underground, due to maximizing space. Sometimes, natural aging of a tree is the culprit, too. A well, properly grown tree can still have its roots uplift the sidewalks, because that is where the roots have sprouted, which is a good thing, but having the sidewalk there ends up becoming an inconvenience than a matter of practical, city/town walking-traffic planning.


    Quote Originally Posted by aretood2 View Post
    This is why we have power plants and powerlines. One needs not to generate power at home, it can be generated offsite. Marvels of modern technology, huh?
    Except only those people who can afford to live off the grid, will have enough property and finances to install wind, solar, or whatever other generating power. It'll be the (poor) paupers in the land who will end up being attached to the powerline grids and end up paying for it forever.

    There has been a lot of discussion on other web forums about living self-sufficiently, especially during power outages. Society that forces everyone of lower finances to rely totally on the gov't/city/town systems aren't helpful during those power outages... and especially the outages that have lasted more than 2 weeks -- no fridge, NO heat, no running water (no washing laundry ability). There is only so much food a person can live without electricity being needed. The rest requires refrigeration or producing water from somewhere. Can't live out of plastic bottles forever.

    Plus, I think it's been "Our Planet" on Facebook that has been harping on the microplastic-waste bits showing up in many water supplies and contaminating the water. Filtering is required to remove the larger chunks, but some of these waste bits still sneak thru the water supplies and have been found in the rivers and lakes, etc. where marine life eats/absorbs it.


    Quote Originally Posted by aretood2 View Post
    Personally, I have two words. Nuclear Power. Dumb hippies have stunted research and development into this technology. It is far cleaner than purported and nuclear damage so far...well...it's been much more limited than Katrina, Maria, Irma et al...

    By now we'd probably have better technologies to deal with the downsides of Nuclear power if it weren't for the hyper paranoia that it provokes in many people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    Until it's not and the plants have to be shut down for maintenance at the very inconvenient time that people kinda need the electricity for heating and the likes.

    Belgium woopsydaisy forgot about the high end maintenance of its nuclear powerplants and they are currently shut down because there are ruptures in the casing as it were.
    I agree with FH...!!! which FH stated (in her quote) what my point was ---to begin with--- regarding / against whatever Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thinks is going to be easy-peazy 100% "GREEN" energy for ALL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    ...Also another important fact is that this industry is slowly dying to the benefit of the electric cars plants. All the biggest car makers are shifting towards hybrid & electric.

    Again, if you understood how macro-economy works, you would know that taking these workers and putting them into a more profitable sector of your economy is a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    But they're damn expensive still.
    Oh my... again, I agree with FH...
    Oh look... The world is gonna end soon!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    I agree with FH...!!! which FH stated (in her quote) what my point was ---to begin with--- regarding / against whatever Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thinks is going to be easy-peazy 100% "GREEN" energy for ALL.
    I should add that I do think nuclear is a fairly alternative source of energy -- but the maintenance of it should be there too.

    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    Oh my... again, I agree with FH...
    Oh look... The world is gonna end soon!!!
    Yeah... this is it.... I'm sorry, world... the end! Game over! And thanks for all the fish.

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    I agree with FH...!!! which FH stated (in her quote) what my point was ---to begin with--- regarding / against whatever Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thinks is going to be easy-peazy 100% "GREEN" energy for ALL.
    As I've said over and over.. the left processes information emotionally, rather than logically.

    For example, from an emotional standpoint, it would indeed be nice if everyone could live energy-independently using clean, renewable sources.

    But the hard fact that they can't escape is that we don't have the technology to do it. Since they don't think logically or practically, the think "if I click my heels 3 times", they can wish it into existence. Of course, reality laughs at that.
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    Reality laughs at everything....

    ...but remember, whole worlds pivot on the acts of imagination, so...

    * Shamelessly quotes Doctor Who
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    As I've said over and over.. the left processes information emotionally, rather than logically.
    Bull****.
    For example, from an emotional standpoint, it would indeed be nice if everyone could live energy-independently using clean, renewable sources.
    So, instead of relying on the past, you look to the future.
    The left does not forget the practicalities of getting to "wouldn't it be nice if", more that they are challenges rather than insurmountable roadblocks.
    Do some on the left go stupid with it?
    YES.
    The right however, collectively want to go back to some non-existent reality where thing like the new deal, retirement as a right, functional retirement funds, and medicare for all are a "right wing agenda", and they are not. They are socialist lite, and socialist lite is what Lincoln proposed, and is what the GOP used to stand for.
    Now it is no more than the political branch of two interest groups, the evangelicals, and the corporations.
    But the hard fact that they can't escape is that we don't have the technology to do it. Since they don't think logically or practically, the think "if I click my heels 3 times", they can wish it into existence. Of course, reality laughs at that.
    Without exploring technology, we will NEVER have the technology to do it. It's got nothing to do with "wishing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Without exploring technology, we will NEVER have the technology to do it. It's got nothing to do with "wishing".
    I'm all for advancing our technology and knowledge of the universe.

    The difference is that many on the left want to force the implementation of their imagined goals regardless of whether we have the tech to do it practically or not.

    Remember my example the other day of LED's ? The enviros forced the usage of CFL's as a solution, because we couldn't do LED's economically. A short time later, LED's did become practical, and as a result, how much mercury is being dumped into landfills as people abandon the CFL's?

    That is but one example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    I'm all for advancing our technology and knowledge of the universe.

    The difference is that many on the left want to force the implementation of their imagined goals regardless of whether we have the tech to do it practically or not.
    How much goat manure do you have left to spread Annoyed?

    Your kind does not want to advance technology. Oil lobbies, gun lobbies, etc., aka all source of your party's funding, the GOP, have ABSOLUTELY no interest in advancing technology since they're making big bucks out of it. Guess who shut down the electric car in the early 20th century? Guess who ruined Tesla's reputation for advancing electricity as a mean of power generation? Corporations and lobbies, every single time.

    GF is absolutely right, the Corporations, evangelicals wonkos and oil lobbies are grabbing the GOP by the balls. Don't even try to deny it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    I'm all for advancing our technology and knowledge of the universe.
    Then let it happen.
    The difference is that many on the left want to force the implementation of their imagined goals regardless of whether we have the tech to do it practically or not.
    No, they want to start working towards it. Left says "renewable energy" right reads or hears "death to coal"
    You really need to actually LISTEN to what people are saying, not what you think you are hearing.
    Guns are the best example of this. left says "common sense gun laws" and right hears "they want to take all my guns"
    Remember my example the other day of LED's ? The enviros forced the usage of CFL's as a solution, because we couldn't do LED's economically. A short time later, LED's did become practical, and as a result, how much mercury is being dumped into landfills as people abandon the CFL's?
    And what you continually ignore is the step that in order to make LED's viable, new tech needed to be developed from the standard T-C globe, and that step was CFL's. You don't get a PS4 without a PS1-3.
    The problem with CFL's is that they got -mandated- in, which was wrong, and I agree with you there.
    That is but one example.
    It's an example of poor policy, not design evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Then let it happen.

    It will happen, in its own time.

    No, they want to start working towards it. Left says "renewable energy" right reads or hears "death to coal"
    You really need to actually LISTEN to what people are saying, not what you think you are hearing.
    Guns are the best example of this. left says "common sense gun laws" and right hears "they want to take all my guns"

    No, the right hears "Lets force everyone to do it our way by driving the cost of petroleum up or limiting availability with Carbon or other taxes and idiotic legislation such as mandated ethanol.

    And what you continually ignore is the step that in order to make LED's viable, new tech needed to be developed from the standard T-C globe, and that step was CFL's. You don't get a PS4 without a PS1-3.
    The problem with CFL's is that they got -mandated- in, which was wrong, and I agree with you there.

    It's an example of poor policy, not design evolution.
    See above. I don't care if it's mandated by outright bans or by tax policy. Bad policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    .
    1: It will NOT "happen in it's own time", progress demands a need for change, otherwise we would still be single celled amoeba's.

    2: The right has hearing problems. By sheer coincidence, you also just debunked your first point, which is hilarious.

    3: If you cannot separate the two arguments, then I pity you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    1: It will NOT "happen in it's own time", progress demands a need for change, otherwise we would still be single celled amoeba's.
    Yep. This is literally at the center of the evolution process of our species. Prehistoric beasts were too hard to hunt alone, the need to hunt as a group developed revolutionary hunting techniques. Incredible advancements were made during times of war, because it demanded change in tactics, medicine and so on.

    So yep, if the Govt doesn't force change or put rules in place to facilitate a transition, nothing is ever going to change, because there's no need for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    Yep. This is literally at the center of the evolution process of our species. Prehistoric beasts were too hard to hunt alone, the need to hunt as a group developed revolutionary hunting techniques. Incredible advancements were made during times of war, because it demanded change in tactics, medicine and so on.

    So yep, if the Govt doesn't force change or put rules in place to facilitate a transition, nothing is ever going to change, because there's no need for it.
    How about when something better comes along?

    Suppose next year, a sustainable, safe fusion process is developed, that will provide energy at 1/1000 of the cost of fossil fuels?

    How long will fossil fuels last after that?
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    The problem is your philosophy is that is impossible. It inhibits innovation
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    Let me give you a clue, not many corporations do R&D for fun and philanthropic purposes. Why would they? Their first goal is to make money. As the saying goes, build it and they will come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    Let me give you a clue, not many corporations do R&D for fun and philanthropic purposes. Why would they? Their first goal is to make money. As the saying goes, build it and they will come.
    Don't you think a company that invents such an energy technology would become successful in the marketplace?
    Heck, they would have people beating their doors down to buy it.
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