Tracking Earth's Future via Current Events, etc.

[aretood2]

I see SG is still pining after her golden calf.

[jelgate]

I see SG is still pining after her golden calf.

Don't forget Annoyed blindly following Trump propaganda and being an hating young people ageist

[SoulReaver]

At least now I can avoid hanging around people who are rude smokers... that is, if I *know* who they are. It's simply called walking away from them...

ah ok so if polluters from nearby states bring their **** into your clean state you can just leave your state

[SGalisa]

ah ok so if polluters from nearby states bring their **** into your clean state you can just leave your state

ahhh, well read on...

FYI...The USA states already have their own version of the rules/laws for environmental compliance for LAND, AIR, WATER wastes. Only Alaska and Iowa use the Federal as their State regulations. Most of the regulations and laws on the books are already at strict methods of reducing pollution in each of these categories. I see both versions every work day (it's a requirement of my job). When Obama was President, I had to work with his Admin's team and State rules as amended, etc. When GWBush was President, I had to work with his Admin's team and State rules. Did I balk? No. It was my job "to send out their dirty laundry" (of words), so to speak...

Maybe you (SR) should take a course in learning Environmental Compliance of controlling these various wastes... Then, you'll have a better understanding of how the system works between ALL 51 states. I don't know the chemistry behind how the regs define various stuff; but I know enough of those regs in ALL 51 states to see "Red" flags going up for what shows up as stupidity vs. common sense.


Below description is a situation with "air pollution"... and toss some energy resources that are being targeted as Carbon polluters.

During my lifetime in the NY metro area, I don't remember New York City ever looking as bad as some of the smog in China or India, but NY state has guided NYC to clean up good portions of their poor air quality. I think the waterways in the urban areas are the worst (and I don't know how anyone can swim or fish for food in those areas).

It was in 2017, when the following article appeared about "air pollution" invading certain states from other states near or far.

"8 States Sue EPA Over Midwest Air Pollution"
(Reuters) By Peter Szekely
12/27/2017 02:40 am ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Eight northeastern states said on Tuesday they sued the Environmental Protection Agency to force it to impose more stringent controls on a group of mostly Midwestern states whose air pollution they claim is being blown in their direction.

In the latest development of a legal saga that began during Barack Obama's presidency, the lawsuit by New York and seven other states challenges a Trump administration decision to allow nine upwind states to escape tighter smog pollution controls.
. . .
The lawsuit was filed by the attorneys general of Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Vermont, which in late 2013 originally asked to have nine upwind states added to the "Ozone Transport Region."
. . .

Most of those states are Democratic controlled. So, no brainer there on why this insane lawsuit would be filed.

But for *reading* entertainment purposes here... of course New York would jump on this bandwagon to *Control* the air... Maybe it'll find a new way to TAX people to death... It's just that the logistics are soooooooooooo beyond common sense, yet part of the goal in these states was to have an excuse to shut down the coal-producing energy plants, and keep COAL in the ground before it came out of the mines to begin with. It was part of an "Energy" issue that is now masked as part of the GREEN NEW DEAL. So, shutting down COAL as an energy source makes sense, but most COAL energy producing plants already have clean, white mist coming out of their stacks... It's NOT polluting anything. The Carbon emission factors are already severely limited, and if not in adequate "Compliance" can be penalized via enforcement of the Environmental regulations/laws... I see one of those "coal energy" plants in Pennsylvania, just beyond NJ's Delaware River border... while passing thru farm fields along the route. The air is far more cleaner than the exhaust NYC's cars were producing in the 1960's.

Now, also add gas, oil and nuclear supplies to stop current energy productions, and that is the goal of the GREEN NEW DEAL. Cripple the resources currently being used, before those resources run dry. Noble motive, but bad timing.

[SGalisa]

That's two old geezers to deal with... great...

Yah think so? hmmmm. Don't forget, some day you'll be that old too...

I thought you were opposed to the "one-world government"?

I am. If the upcoming OWG was ideal with perfect living conditions for the entire planet, then I'd be all for it. But most of the "agenda" driven speculations that I've seen so far, merely list it as a socialist world that will NOT be the utopia some of its wannabee supporters think it will be. Only the very wealthy will be happy. The rest of us don't matter --- young or old or even inbetween... we're just going to be "used" until TPTB decide to move on to someone else filling our roles. That's how history has always been, and always will be under the hands of limited human minds.

Maybe you just don't understand that our planet is already ready to elect someone to that illustrious OWG'v position. I've already seen a wonderful list of possible candidates, and already mentioned them in some previous postings in this "tracking earth's future" thread. Maybe none of them will be THE supreme leader of all.


Heard a rumor and trying to track it down elsewhere... okay, NY-Times has an article, as well as the NY-Post and a bunch of others. Here is a link to the TownHall version.

"Oh, Joy: Hillary's 'Under Enormous Pressure' to Run for President...Again"
by Beth Baumann
Posted: Nov 12, 2019 7:55 PM

Just when we thought the 2020 Democratic field was starting to wind down, it looks like it might be widening, yet again. And who better to enter the race than twice-failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton?

During an interview with BBC Radio 5, the former secretary of state said she isn't ruling out a potential run.
. . .
Brace yourself, folks. We might just see Clinton vs. Trump round two.

Or.... here is an alternative suggestion, that is, if Hillary wants to be in the position of holding that enormous amount of power control----

Hillary Clinton wants to become President. She is claiming that she is under tremendous pressure to run as a candidate, but is fighting the urge to do so. Is she really just appearing as *humble* or is she chomping at the bit underneath all of the nonsense going on with Trump?

Here's an IDEA... Instead of Hillary Clinton running for USA President, why not go for the ultimate TOP spot and set up that ONE-world governing system with HER at the very top... President OF EARTH... the ENTIRE earth... yeah, let that go to her head. Why settle for some insignificant country that half of the world claims to already hate, when you can have the ENTIRE world at your fingertips...???

WOW... see how this pans out...

[SGalisa]

Addendum... MORE *food for thought*... while we're riding out Hillary's fantasy of becoming *President*...

Heard a rumor and trying to track it down elsewhere... okay, NY-Times has an article, as well as the NY-Post and a bunch of others. Here is a link to the TownHall version.

(snipped for space)


Or.... here is an alternative suggestion, that is, if Hillary wants to be in the position of holding that enormous amount of power control----

Hillary Clinton wants to become President. She is claiming that she is under tremendous pressure to run as a candidate, but is fighting the urge to do so. Is she really just appearing as *humble* or is she chomping at the bit underneath all of the nonsense going on with Trump?

Here's an IDEA... Instead of Hillary Clinton running for USA President, why not go for the ultimate TOP spot and set up that ONE-world governing system with HER at the very top... President OF EARTH... the ENTIRE earth... yeah, let that go to her head. Why settle for some insignificant country that half of the world claims to already hate, when you can have the ENTIRE world at your fingertips...???

WOW... see how this pans out...

If Trump wins the 2020 election, why wait til 2024? Hillary is getting up there in age... And it is believed that the UN already has an agenda waiting to make the next OWG possible... They already have the international rules and laws and a system of gov't that passes these things into active mode. They're just missing their united "world" Leader/President or "Queen"... Besides, she'd be a natural *queen* for "Gaia (mother) Earth".

Just think of the implications of such an idea...
I already have an idea of what all of that will entail and involve. So, I'm not writing it in *blind*. Lots of people have speculated about this months ago.

Since Hillary Clinton might not get the coveted USA title, why go for the small stuff...? She's already been USA Secretary of State, so she knows how most of the rest of the world already operates. Therefore, she has some credentials to her "world resume" position....

Plus, apparently George Soros already supports her (Clinton foundation) with his Open Society Foundation. Also, if there truly is a "Deep State", let them deal with putting her "over" those TEN kingdoms... Since most of the details are already set into place for the OWG, just prop her up some more, and set her up as THE reigning Queen... of the Earth... unless of course, the rest of the populations of people need to vote on that.

I had expected France's President Macron to take that coveted position, since he is young.. Or the Saudi Prince-King elect... Decisions, decisions...

...hmmm... I am only curious to how the devout Democrats in our list of relatives would react to that sort of news... FB would be hopping all over the place, ready and waiting to serve Hillary... Conservatives might be shut down, but hey, I'm willing to just enjoy my cat/kitty videos on there... and let the DEMs duke it out with each other over who *they* think should get that honorary position of "United" WORLD leader.

The USA could still be the USA, tho it'd probably be deemed by the world as some lesser entity than it has been... not a big deal, IF the UN / OWG leader/whoever it is leaves USA alone to deal with our own "stuff"... At least we/USA wouldn't have to get nuked out of existence in order for the rest of the world to take it's role in leading the rest of the Seven Kingdoms to their *socialistic* paradise.

While we're thinking about Hillary's world power-play fantasy, maybe if Trump gets elected in 2020, he can convince the UN to move to Europe or set up shop somewhere else... Maybe Iceland (then Hillary would be a true *Ice-Queen* as her critics sometimes label her as)... ...or Rome in Italy, or the warmer climate of northern Africa along the Mediterranean Sea.

At least that way, if the USA ever did get blown up or reduced in world power status somehow, all of the folks at the UN would have a nice new home to go visit. ...hmmmm... Rome, Italy, might (already) be the home of the world's united religious seat (of authority), but this would make it "official". Seems to be heading that way anyway with what Pope Francis has been doing. Maybe somewhere in that general vicinity, the UN can set up its permanent new home... why be oceans apart, when they can all get together in their little circle of "life" and politics...? And besides, they'll all be back in the area where the *sea of humanity* basically began.

LOL. Just kidding... but it would be surprising, if any of this ever came true!

[Falcon Horus]

The whole impeachment is a scam.

Your overlord tweeting like a mad man tells me otherwise...

Schiff and the Democrats are controlling the entire process, what witnesses can be heard, what questions are asked, who is allowed to participate and observe, everything. And they change their story more often than I change my shorts.

Errmmm... I distinctly remember reading that there were 2 witnesses brought in by the Republicans yesterday, which sadly backfired massively on the GOP'ers but nope, not just Dem-chosen witnesses.

Kurt Volker, impeachment witness requested by Republicans, debunks many of their arguments

And as I understand it, an impeachment inquiry starts in the House of Representatives, which I recall has a majority of Dems so obviously it's them who are currently in control of the process.

When Clinton was being impeached, I believe it was the other way around.

Any comments there?

Here's a simple guide for you, from the BBC news page: Trump impeachment inquiry: A simple guide

It's a campaign strategy, nothing more.

Which Trump is doing all the time, discrediting because he can't win if he doesn't do that.

Nice try. You might have been able to sell that in the first year. 3 years in? Not so much.

Good luck with the fall-out then...

Would you rather have to continually explain the obvious to a bunch of children?

Depends on the age of the kids... or young ones...

I see SG is still pining after her golden calf.

Can it be melted? I have need for gold-colored ink.

Yah think so? hmmmm. Don't forget, some day you'll be that old too...

I can only hope to be that lucky, and to be healthy when I am.

But I'm living in the here and now, and definitely not gonna wait for retirement to enjoy life cause life could throw you a curve, and ruin all of it.

My parents thought they had many more years ahead, to enjoy beautiful retirement, until Parkinson's destroyed my mother's life -- mentally and physically. She's at peace since March 1st, but that was a hard lesson to learn.

Don't wait to enjoy life, live it now, don't wait for later cause that might not actually come.

Only the very wealthy will be happy. The rest of us don't matter --- young or old or even inbetween...

Basically the world of today... :eyeroll:

I mean, the 1% doesn't even have to pay taxes.

Maybe you just don't understand that our planet is already ready to elect someone to that illustrious OWG'v position. I've already seen a wonderful list of possible candidates...

The Illuminati don't count.

Or.... here is an alternative suggestion, that is, if Hillary wants to be in the position of holding that enormous amount of power control----

She might still want to be President, but I think she knows as well as everybody else that she shouldn't mingle with the current crowd. I'm surprised even that Bernie is back on the campaign trail.
I think as VP, though, she could work. She has the experience of Secretary of State so that's something that can be useful especially with the USA hellbent on forcing a powder keg to explode.

Sanders, Biden or Warren seem to be in the current lead of the Democratic pool, with the guy that looks like Mr. Mad -- Buttiegieg -- trailing behind.

That's 3 powerful candidates right there, of which I think Biden could win the nomination. Although I'm not counting Warren out just yet.

Here's an IDEA... Instead of Hillary Clinton running for USA President, why not go for the ultimate TOP spot and set up that ONE-world governing system with HER at the very top... President OF EARTH... the ENTIRE earth... yeah, let that go to her head. Why settle for some insignificant country that half of the world claims to already hate, when you can have the ENTIRE world at your fingertips...???

While in jest, you should realize by now that the USA has lost its position as worldpower the moment Trump bowed down to Russia, Saudi-Arabia, Turkey, North-Korea, Syria, and Israel.

The only one fit to take up that position would be someone the likes of Macron, Merkel, Trudeau, ... Queen Elizabeth II.

If Trump wins the 2020 election, why wait til 2024? Hillary is getting up there in age... And it is believed that the UN already has an agenda waiting to make the next OWG possible... They already have the international rules and laws and a system of gov't that passes these things into active mode.

I assume you're talking about the United Nations General Assembly?

"All 193 Member States of the Organization are represented in the General Assembly - one of the six main organs of the UN - to discuss and work together on a wide array of international issues covered by the Charter of the United Nations**, such as development, peace and security, international law, etc.

Every year in September, all the Members meet in this unique forum at Headquarters in New York for the General Assembly session.

Sitting arrangements in the General Assembly Hall change for each session. During the 74th Session (2019-2020), Ghana occupies the first seat in the Hall, including in the Main Committees (followed by all the other countries, in English alphabetical order)."

** Chapter I: Purposes and Principles

1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace.

1. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace.

1. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.

1. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

The USA could still be the USA, tho it'd probably be deemed by the world as some lesser entity than it has been... not a big deal...

Basically what we deem it now with Trump messing just about everything up and making the world less safe for everyone, including Americans.

However, the USA already does whatever it wants within the United Nations, for example it never ratifiied the 1977 protocols of the Geneva Convention:

Protocols of 1977
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts, of 8 June 1977
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of Non-International Armed Conflicts, of 8 June 1977

As to war crimes ... which Trump apparently finds OK to pardon:

"The Geneva Conventions provide for universal jurisdiction, as opposed to a more traditional (and limited) territorial jurisdiction that was designed to respect the sovereignty of States over their citizens. The doctrine of universal jurisdiction is based on the notion that some crimes, such as genocide, crimes against humanity, torture, and war crimes, are so exceptionally grave that they affect the fundamental interests of the international community as a whole. It renders the convicts or accused of such crimes to the jurisdiction of all signatory States, regardless of their nationality or territoriality of their crime.

Every State bound by the treaties is under the legal obligation to search for and prosecute those in its territory suspected of committing such crimes, regardless of the nationality of the suspect or victim, or of the place where the act was allegedly committed. The State may hand the suspect over to another State or an international tribunal for trial. Where domestic law does not allow for the exercise of universal jurisdiction, a State must introduce the necessary domestic legislative provisions before it can do so, and must actually exercise the jurisdiction, unless it hands the suspect over to another country or international tribunal.

Despite being signatory to the Conventions, there are some notable and often-criticized U.S. cases involving conduct that would otherwise be prohibited by the Conventions..."

...maybe if Trump gets elected in 2020, he can convince the UN to move to Europe or set up shop somewhere else...

A rather amusing thought, especially when you know it was the USA who coined the idea... Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1942.

1 January 1942 || The name "United Nations" is coined
The name "United Nations", coined by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt was first used in the Declaration by United Nations of 1 January 1942, during the Second World War, when representatives of 26 nations pledged their Governments to continue fighting together against the Axis Powers.

24 October 1945 || The United Nations officially comes into existence
In 1945, representatives of 50 countries met in San Francisco at the United Nations Conference on International Organization to draw up the United Nations Charter. Those delegates deliberated on the basis of proposals worked out by the representatives of China, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom and the United States at Dumbarton Oaks, United States in August-October 1944.

The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries. Poland, which was not represented at the Conference, signed it later and became one of the original 51 Member States.

The United Nations officially came into existence on 24 October 1945, when the Charter had been ratified by China, France, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, the United States and by a majority of other signatories. United Nations Day is celebrated on 24 October each year.

In 2020, it will celebrate its 75th anniversary.

...Rome, Italy, might (already) be the home of the world's united religious seat (of authority), but this would make it "official".

The Vatican is a separate country, with Vatican City as its capital.

They can move to Brussels. We already have the NATO buildings here anyway. They are welcome here.
Considering the 1000s who work in those buildings. Bring in the employment.

[Annoyed]

And as I understand it, an impeachment inquiry starts in the House of Representatives, which I recall has a majority of Dems so obviously it's them who are currently in control of the process.

When Clinton was being impeached, I believe it was the other way around.

Any comments there?

The House, which is currently in the hands of the enemy, initiates the investigation, conducts it, and then if there is cause, the articles of impeachment go to the Senate, which is in slightly saner hands at this time.

They don't possibly have the votes in the Senate, so no matter what the House does, in a tactical sense, this whole thing has been dead in the water since before it began. So, process of elimination says it's a campaign tactic.

She might still want to be President, but I think she knows as well as everybody else that she shouldn't mingle with the current crowd. I'm surprised even that Bernie is back on the campaign trail.
I think as VP, though, she could work. She has the experience of Secretary of State so that's something that can be useful especially with the USA hellbent on forcing a powder keg to explode.

Sanders, Biden or Warren seem to be in the current lead of the Democratic pool, with the guy that looks like Mr. Mad -- Buttiegieg -- trailing behind.

That's 3 powerful candidates right there, of which I think Biden could win the nomination. Although I'm not counting Warren out just yet.

And none of them will beat Trump in a general election. I know, Clinton's been rattling her cage again as of late, but I really don't think the Democrats are gonna try her a 3rd time. They absolutely need to have consensus to beat Trump, and Shrillary is far too polarizing, even within her own party.

Warren/Sanders; the socialist wing of the party doesn't have a chance in hell; we are not a socialist nation. The wheels are starting to fall off that wagon already, as shown by Warren's difficulties explaining how she is gonna pay for that. She cannot possibly do so without taxing the hell out of the middle class. I'm guessing she skipped primary school math. The estimated costs of her pipe dreams are many times the size of the entire U.S. budget.

And the Democrats themselves have thrown Biden under the bus in their doomed impeachment attempt. Whether or not the media reports it, Biden used his influence to get his kid ensconced in a multi-million dollar job in an industry that he had absolutely no qualifications for. And despite the wall-to-wall media coverage, it is not widely reported that the Ukraine was looking into Biden's kid, and Biden told them to stop the investigation or no aid for you.

They can move to Brussels. We already have the NATO buildings here anyway. They are welcome here.
Considering the 1000s who work in those buildings. Bring in the employment.

Hell, you folks don't even have enough real estate to accommodate their parking scofflaws.

The U.N. made a lot of sense when it was created. However, over the years, it has turned into a hater's club for the US; they only thing they want from us is money to pay for their schemes. I too wish we would evict them, lock, stock and barrel. Just move the whole thing 12.2 miles due east.

[jelgate]

By that logic, Congress should let Trump commit any crime he wants since the Senate is never going to vote him out

[Falcon Horus]

They don't possibly have the votes in the Senate, so no matter what the House does, in a tactical sense, this whole thing has been dead in the water since before it began. So, process of elimination says it's a campaign tactic.

Much like Trump then -- though he was there first with asking/not asking Ukraine to give him dirt on Biden & Son(s).

And none of them will beat Trump in a general election.

Even if they did, he'll say it was rigged and undermine your democracy, or whatever is left of it, even more and you'll eat it up because you hate the other side so much, you've lost the ability of making sound decisions based on facts.

The Dems don't stand a chance in hell with the Senate having a GOP majority, but maybe... they do have a shot at this. Remember 6 people so far of the Trump administration have been convicted for crimes committed, Roger Stone so far the last one but how much longer will Pence protect his boss... until the moment he's replaced by Nikki Haley perhaps? Rumors flying of him getting booted off the ticket. I'm sure he'll love that.

Warren/Sanders; the socialist wing of the party doesn't have a chance in hell; we are not a socialist nation.

Nope, you're an autocracy -- or heading in that direction anyway when he's re-elected.

Whether or not the media reports it, Biden used his influence to get his kid ensconced in a multi-million dollar job in an industry that he had absolutely no qualifications for.

So did Trump, your point?

The U.N. made a lot of sense when it was created. However, over the years, it has turned into a hater's club for the US; they only thing they want from us is money to pay for their schemes. I too wish we would evict them, lock, stock and barrel. Just move the whole thing 12.2 miles due east.

Yeah, who cares if the world is in shambles -- you're not traveling outside of State lines anyway.

By that logic, Congress should let Trump commit any crime he wants since the Senate is never going to vote him out

Isn't that already happening...

[jelgate]

Probably but I'm trying to get Annoyed to think about how illogical his arguments are.



It's a losing battle

[Gatefan1976]

I'd say it is a lost battle.
Once you get to man over party over law, the battle is lost.

[Annoyed]

I'd say it is a lost battle.
Once you get to man over party over law, the battle is lost.

You don't get it. The agenda is the goal here, not who carries it out.

What other candidate had the same agenda as Trump, including his stances on Trade, Immigration, pulling out of detrimental treaties, and so forth?

None.

[Gatefan1976]

You don't get it. The agenda is the goal here, not who carries it out.

What other candidate had the same agenda as Trump, including his stances on Trade, Immigration, pulling out of detrimental treaties, and so forth?

None.

The only person who can carry your agenda out is a criminal?

[Annoyed]

The only person who can carry your agenda out is a criminal?

What other candidate had the same agenda as Trump, including his stances on Trade, Immigration, pulling out of detrimental treaties, and so forth?