Tracking Earth's Future via Current Events, etc.

[SGalisa]

I really don't have time to post yet, but things are happening in the world, and I just *had* to post this possibly rather *urgent* situation before too much more time passed onward.
I know there is concern over the year 2012 being a year of some sort of significance..

Well, with the recent USA loss of its drone over Iran, apparently the USA is now trying to make *nice-nice* ? with Iran by lightening sanctions for whatever the restraints were attempted to be enforced there before? Iran claims there was little damage to the drone, so (they claim) it may or will be fairly easy to figure out how it all works...! No one who made these high tech objects had a plan B or C..???!

News reports on (google it,) Yahoo, AP, Fox, wired-dot-com, telegraph-dot-co-dot-uk, and the radio, etc., mentioning concerns about the loss of the drone being reverse engineered possibly by Russia or China, thus speeding up the process of manufacturing new ones, and thus putting the entire planet into jeopardy.
Now there is also rumors about Iran teaming up with its Venezuelan buddies, putting the strangle-hold triangulation of America at the mercy of an angry middle east, basically hell-bent on destroying Jewish Israel AND the USA.
There is a whole hoard of ideas the media keeps printing out on what *might* happen!

Spoiler:

(massive EMP attacks causing crippling failures, biological, chemical or worse tipped missile heads attached to any reverse engineered drone, being used against all of us!)

Whatever the news, this does not bode well.

Spoiler:

Please remove the B L A N K spaces in the beginning of the link to access article
Iran capture of stealth drone 'a concern'
8:28AM GMT 06 Dec 2011
http : // www .telegraph. co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8937401/Iran-capture-of-stealth-drone-a-concern.html

[Rudy Pena]

Unless they can get a ship close enough to the US and launch the drone or a reverse engineered on, they have no hope or hurting us with them. Only can be use within a set range as they dont even have the fuel to fly from the middle east to the US.

If they try to attack a major base or Fob(forward operating base) it will be shot down, unless they attack a small fob or base. We have defenses and we have aircraft to shoot it down.

Also what you just posted has nothing to with future "prophecies".

[SGalisa]

Unless they can get a ship close enough to the US and launch the drone or a reverse engineered on, they have no hope or hurting us with them. Only can be use within a set range as they dont even have the fuel to fly from the middle east to the US.

Don't forget there are other countries Iran is friendly with *who* DO have the financial resources and intelligence abilities to make such a scenario possible.

Also what you just posted has nothing to with future "prophecies".

Actually, it does relate very much to the prophecies. The biblical book of Revelation describes 1/3 of the earth being wiped out before the rest of it gets wiped out near the very end of the so-termed "Great Tribulation" period. For decades, scholars have tried to figure out where the USA is in the Bible. They can't find it. Some people think it is there in vaguely described terms (land beyond the rivers), but for the most part -- not there. So, it's been a concern for a long while in most of the prophetic camp.

Also, let's not become so confident of ourselves that we end up getting our butts kicked when least expected.
For the past several months, there have been dozens and dozens of articles on EMPs wiping out our electronics / grid. Bad enough to hear about that from solar sun-spot activity. We don't need to keep reading about it from the news media, too, about what country is going to do the deed..!

[Rudy Pena]

A EMP wave wouldnt be so bad. It will give kids now days the chance to do things and learn things that should be part of everyones normal lives. Take Ironing as a example, Do you know how many kids and young adults who dont know what that is, much less know how to use one? Now that is sad, Things should go back to the simple things.

Do know know that they have been saying things like that for the past 50 to 60 years? Only reason people know about all the stuff going on in the world is technology now, back in lets say the 60s and 70s people didnt know about all the stuff. All these natural stuff, people know about them due to tech. Where as in the 60s and 70s people didnt know about them.

[knowles2]

I got no problem with Iran, only way that will become a problem if Israel of US attacks Iran and Iran like any other country responds. Even a Iran with nuclear weapon would not be as large as problem certain countries would like us to believe. There own internal powers balances will keep from using it. The republican guards, the real with in Iran will not want a open warfare with anyone, as that would put there vast and highly profitable empire at risk.

An the drone did come with multiple redundcies. It rumoured that one of these plans were use directly against the drone. Mainly lack of communications with Home Base the drone is design to seek out any landing space that it thinks is safe.


As to Iran capturing the drone, well done to them. I am sure China and Russia will pay them well and Lockheed martin will get another contract to improve the drone capabilities again (winners all round). An the CIA and America at least under Obama will keep largely quiet on the situation, while they launch a re-evaluation of there attack plans for a military strike on Iran.

I suspect Iran will demonstrate the bomb long before Washington or Israel has the balls to launch an attack on Iran. An I suspect many of our intelligence agencies would not mind them having the bomb either as part of there long term plan to stabilise the region.

Mossad leadership has openly admitted to sabotaging past attempts by Israel to launch a military strike against.

The CIA did that with 2007-08 report which destroyed any cross party support for a military strike. MI6 and other agencies have not had to move against there own government so openly yet but I suspect they will if they felt the need to.

Outside of Israel Government and there US congress supporters no one wants a direct conflict with Iran.

[SGalisa]

It's been a while since I've been able to post in here, and partly because there is so much info happening in the world, that I can't formulate thoughts clear enough. Plus, other real life things interrupted whatever spare time may have been spent reading up on what's happening in the world, etc...

Sampler issues --
Revelation 13 and the "MARK of the Beast"
Biometric scanning is being implemented to most of India, and rumors of it being instituted elsewhere are showing up more in the news, with the USA considering doing the same. Personally, I don't think the biometric scanning *is* the mark of the beast yet, but instead is a precursor to it.

Israel has already decided to mark all of its military with a computer chip that is closer to the "Mark of the Beast" tracking system.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 are being discussed in more areas than just Christian web sites. What it means is, Iran is directly involved, and a direct threat to Israel, pushing Israel into a war that prophecy claims will result in the destruction of the geographical country itself that is attempting to destroy Israel. Currently, Iran has Israel surrounded on both the east and west sides (west being the Mediterranean Sea). Lots of speculation going on there as to what may happen within the next few weeks.

A EMP wave wouldnt be so bad. It will give kids now days the chance to do things and learn things that should be part of everyones normal lives. Take Ironing as a example, Do you know how many kids and young adults who dont know what that is, much less know how to use one? Now that is sad, Things should go back to the simple things.

Most folks who grew up without current techno gadgets, don't have problems with living without a few electronic games, but lately (and this is news echoing over several months to 2 years or more) there are more articles in the news about EMP threats being imminent (soon -- as in possibly sometime this 2012 year!).

* If a person is a camper and used to living out in the woods without electric helps, no problem.
* If a person is a treehugger and has the finances to build alternate power generators (wind, solar, water), well, no problem for them.
* If a person has a large enough property to build all sorts of back up generators (wind, solar, water) and have some room left over to build storage bins to hoard foods and other helpful non-foods items, no problem for them either!

Last year, I know several towns that went 2 entire weeks without electricity because of a hurricane and rare October snowstorm that occurred about a month or 2 apart. Those who had nothing -- no power, no water, no refrigerator, No phones to the outside world, well, they managed to drive over to some relative's home, or lodge themselves into a hotel that *had* power, and at least take a shower and flush the toilets!

This EMP issue isn't just about playing electronic games or having access to the internet 24-7.
It's about overall living conditions everyday. According to the news reports, the EMP threats aren't about living without electronic whatevers for just a few days or a few weeks. It's about being hurled back into the dark ages for possibly more than six months.

Jobs would all be in jeopardy because most cars wouldn't work. Transportation would be crippled. Some people have to actually fly in airplanes, because they travel around the USA (east coast to west coast) and already spend an entire day waiting in airports going from point A to point B. Other folks cannot possibly ride a bike to work if the drive over an hour just to get from point A to point B.

Life would be like the sci-fi movies "The Day After" where maybe only old cars / vehicles before computer technologies got added into them would actually work.. then there'd be the issue of getting gas to make the car go (and that won't work if most gas stations are modernized with computer operating systems). While some folks might be happy that they won't have to ever work again for a long while, they gotta eat and wash themselves along with clothes and dishes at some point in those harrowing days.

And most water systems would probably end up being contaminated, because the purifying systems won't work without power to generate them. Getting clean and pure water would be near impossible once the shelf bottles from the stores are all gone. Look at what happened in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. Havoc galor with diseases soon to follow.


To folks who don't use their fridge that much (like dairy, fresh veggies, and meat products), it's not a problem for them. But to everyone else who relies on those as necessities, it's a huge disaster in the making. Those folks who lost power from the town grid for more than a week (and this is usually anywhere at any time during the year), all of their frozen or chilled grocery food went to waste. I know some folks who lost more than $600.00 (USA dollars) worth or more $ of food, because the power companies didn't restore the power lines fast enough.

Think of it this way, if a person is on medication that MUST be refrigerated and at a certain temperature, that person's medication goes bad. Most diabetics require their insulin and other meds to be refrigerated at all times. Without it, they could become severely ill or even die. So, an EMP strike would kill off a lot of diabetics, simply based on that issue.

This is much worse than could possibly be imagined.

Canning foods and growing organics is great IF the food is already there, and the means to keep store and keep continuous storage going occurs without the neighbors beating down the hatches to demand their *fair* share -- even tho they never grew or supplied any of that stuff. But getting water freely that isn't going to be contaminated (by septic or surface pollution issues) is still going to be another story. People can get dysentery from contaminated water supplies..!

And never mind the reeking stink from everything food wise decaying from no electricity to chill/freeze anything any more. Not everyone has access to a "fruit cellar" or cool location within their home/abode to moderate food temps. And that still won't help the folks who need their meds kept at a constant 40 degrees F (average).

[Goose]

Currently, Iran has Israel surrounded on both the east and west sides (west being the Mediterranean Sea). Lots of speculation going on there as to what may happen within the next few weeks.

You might want to look at a map...

[Ukko]

You might want to look at a map...

I did. But Iran isnt in Middle Earth.

[SGalisa]

You might want to look at a map...

ummm, yeah, I have looked. Have you read the international news lately?
For one item, a few months ago, Iran ousted its British Embassy, and now has enforced denying the U.K. any oil from Iran. It added France to that list; and is threatening to also cut a few other countries off of its shipping oil list. (So, why is there an Iranian warship in the Mediterranean Sea?)
How is the economy doing in Europe? Oil, gas, and other resources for general every day living?

Iran has been continuously threatening to wipe (Jewish) Israel off the face of the earth. Israel has been contemplating whether or not (or "when") to fight back against Iran. So far, it's been mostly psychological saber rattling.

Starting with the February 18, 2012 news---
pick your choice (but because the articles might archive, so anyone seeking to read the articles will have to
Please remove B L A N K spaces in beginning of web address to access article/link for complete details).

"Iran warships enter Mediterranean as Britain warns of nuclear arms race in the Middle East"
By Mohammad Davari
(Agence France-Presse, Feb 18, 2012 – 12:51 PM ET; Last Updated: Feb 18, 2012 9:50 PM ET)
http : // news .nationalpost. com/2012/02/18/iran-warships-enter-mediterranean-as-others-warn-of-middle-east-nuclear-arms-race/


or try this article---
"Iranian Warships Pass Through Suez Canal for Only the Second Time Since 1979"
(Posted on February 18, 2012 at 9:44pm by Christopher Santarelli)
http : // www .theblaze. com/stories/iranian-warships-pass-through-suez-canal-for-only-the-second-time-since-1979/


Basically,
Iran's "warship" has entered the Mediterranean Sea via the Suez Canal. That is *WEST* of Israel (not East). The country of Iran is EAST of Israel and making weekly death threats of annihilating Jewish Israel off the map. Iran is also claiming to be making nuclear fuel rods in Iran for "peaceful" purposes. Various world speculations are scrutinizing what might happen if Iran makes a nuclear tipped bomb someday, if they don't have it already.


The Iranian ship is parked somewhere in the Mediterranean. It got there via a short cut -- Suez Canal (where's that again? Oh, it's an artificial sea-level waterway over by Egypt, connecting the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea). Oh, and in other news weeks prior, there have been several bombings done to the Egyptian-Israeli pipeline. Not sure who's behind all that, but it seems to keep happening, in spite of the rest of the world yelling about how limited our natural resources already are..!


Some recent news reports were concerned about Iran's ship teaming up to supply Syria. If the ship is there for humanitarian reasons, why sneak a "warship" thru the Suez Canal -- that is a shortcut directly into the Mediterranean Sea and snuggly close to Israel's coastline too. So, of course Israel is concerned about both sides of their land mass possibly being attacked by Iran -- be it a ship off the west coast of Israel, or some a tank/something else from any other direction on land or from overhead in the sky.

I also know that Israel has claimed digging rights (and actually began digging) to a huge gas pocket in the Mediterranean Sea (the Tanin Gas Field), to which Lebanon has attempted to declare claims to the same undersea region. (I think this region is part of the ancient tribe "toe of Asher")

"Another Gas Discovery for Delek, Noble Energy!"
Noble Energy and the Delek Group announced on Sunday another significant discovery of a natural gas field off the coast of Haifa.
By Chana Ya'ar (First Publish: 2/5/2012, 11:33 AM)
http : // www .israelnationalnews. com/News/News.aspx/152427


It wouldn't be surprising in the least if Iran might make an attempt to seize control of that undersea gas field at some point... (Iran seems to have Russia on their side, for other issues.)

The concern with this Iran, Syria, Russia set-up is that it has been foretold in Ezekiel 38-39, that such a set up will occur to eventually turn its alliance attention against Israel. Obviously, Iran is EAST of Israel (with Iraq pushing more distance between them). Syria is NORTH of Israel, and so is Russia. In Ezekiel 38:1-5 Gog (Russia) is teamed up with Persia (Iran) to (invade) attack Israel.

Anyway, how much more of an effort would it take for "circling the wagons" between these countries against Israel?
And what is that Iranian warship carrying anyway? or what is it's purpose on the other side of a land mass that isn't part of Iran's own territorial waters?


NOTE: If more knowledgeable Christians or Jewish people on these forums could translate who is who (and located where) in the Jewish scriptures (Old Testament), that might be more helpful. (I don't personally know who Meshech and Tubal translate into for modern times, or Gomer, or the house of Togarmah, etc...
I think Rosh is Russia. Cush = Ethiopia; Libya has been identified as Put.)
Ancient names with modernized names occupying the same territory that existed in ancient Israeli times mean the same general group of regional people -- except they just show up under a different title name now.


More news of Iran's saber rattling---against the USA and Israel..!
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"Russia warns Israel not to attack Iran"
(By Alexei Anishchuk, Reuters – Wed, Feb 22, 2012)
http : // news .yahoo. com/russia-warns-israel-not-attack-iran-123130602.html


also...


"Egyptian Official: War with Israel, US in Three Months"
MEMRI: Egyptian presidential candidate declared that Egyptian Army will engage in armed warfare against Israel, US, EU within three months.
(By Rachel Hirshfeld
First Publish: 2/21/2012, 4:52 PM
posted at---)
http : // www .israelnationalnews. com/News/News.aspx/152994

MEMRI = the Middle East Media Research Institute.
US = the USA.


That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo NOT comforting..! Happy Mother's day and all the rest.
For those readers responding to the comments within the actual, numerous news articles, there's an old saying--
"Pride comes before the Fall." Question is, if this whole scenario escalates into a full scale *WAR* who is being proud that might fall, and who is being humble that they might win..?

Those folks who hate America (i.e., the USA) so much don't flinch or blink twice when killing.
Now the latest news is stating that there is an outcry against the atrocities being committed in Syria, and more nations might end up getting involved -- which the concern there is if it will push our entire world into WWIII.
BTW, people who don't live in the USA don't usually think much about these things, afterall, it's miles and miles away from non-USA folks... for that, at least you non-USA folks are lucky.
Antarctica is looking more and more friendly to go live in some environmental dome home abode, regardless of the ruthless winters outside the dome.

[SGalisa]

RAPTURE -- just an observation about its *possible* timing...
(if it happens at all...)

Just another note to all of the above threats of war/world war rumor news --- If Israel is hurled into a major WAR (seems tho that it would be short lived based on current technologies), and the current alignment alliance of Iran supporting Syria with Russia's backing as well, turns into a fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39,
there are many hard core Christians who firmly believe that true, born-again Christians will not have to see most of the last 7-years Israel is at war (for its survival) against the entire world. This is basically what the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory means. I admire their zeal, and it seems more like wishful thinking, but what if Christians who have studied the prophecies of Revelation and many other Bible books, start seeing all of those events begin to happen -- will the pre-Trib rapture theory need to be re-evaluated? It'll be too late by then, if (those of us who want that escape route from those horrors prophecied about) we're all still stuck here, until some other disappearing act occurs...

Maybe CERN will finally open a gateway to the other dimension (and it just happens to be the rapture believers who get pulled into that other dimension)?

Mid-Tribulation Rapture means that those same Christians WILL end up seeing the first 3.5 years occur, and struggle thru those years just like everyone else.

Catholics aren't taught about the rapture at all, so for them, Surprise! (Left behind with all the horrors of seeing the rest of the 3.5 years occur!)

It's nice to believe such an escape from reality will happen BEFORE all of the chaos erupts, but I have mixed feelings as to which one (rapture) *theory* might happen over the other. Thus, the concern over EMP threats causing massive disaster, and who will be able to survive more than 2 months thru that. Our children have no hope of a future with those potential scenarios occurring. Such speculations have gone on for decades (if not centuries), but with Israel reaching toward its 70th birthday (by the year 2018), no other time in history has been this close to seeing these "biblical" prophecies become fulfilled.

Like characters on a chess board, all of the world's players are lining up into their biblically ordained positions.

Question is, if the players knew they were fulfilling prophecy in this way, WHY bother to do that? Wouldn't they be more concerned about doing everything they could to prevent the prophecies from occurring????
But of course, those who don't believe in any of this stuff, believe it's all hogwash non-sense, so it doesn't matter what was written as a so-called prophecy ---- until they find themselves on the other end of a fulfilled prophecy. And then what? Head in the sand syndrome with their *buttts* exposed as tempting targets, or what? goodness!!


So for Rapture watchers, if it happens at the last possible second -- seconds before major world disaster breaks out, I wouldn't be surprised if that is how the rapture will happen or if it happens just prior to the mid-trib theory (rapture occurs somewhere in the middle of the 7-year trib period).

[Goose]

There's one warship in the Mediterranean, and there are several countries inbetween Israel and Iran. You're right, Israel is totally surrounded...

[SGalisa]

As to Iran capturing the drone, well done to them. I am sure China and Russia will pay them well and Lockheed martin will get another contract to improve the drone capabilities again (winners all round). An the CIA and America at least under Obama will keep largely quiet on the situation, while they launch a re-evaluation of there attack plans for a military strike on Iran.

I suspect Iran will demonstrate the bomb long before Washington or Israel has the balls to launch an attack on Iran. An I suspect many of our intelligence agencies would not mind them having the bomb either as part of there long term plan to stabilise the region.

Your confidence, in current systems set in place, is overwhelming.
Winners all around? That only pushes the theory of conspiracy -- that such a situation was planned.

Drones. On another note---
drones been approved to fly in our own USA skies, or at least there is a bill in the process of making it happen. 'Bout time! Especially night surveillance needed. Too many troubled neighborhood souls roaming around all night long, wayyyyy past midnight hours, too. In suburbia, the kids just don't care any more -- it's not just the metro areas that need monitoring. Even rural areas have become havens for kids hiding out in places they shouldn't be----and if caught, found doing stuff they shouldn't be involved with.

No such thing any more as "It's 10 p.m. Do you know where your children are?"
If an answer returns--- it's usually, yeah, they're hanging out with their (substance abuse / gang / drug/booze) buddies -- and might come home after 4-a.m. In many towns/cities, this is becoming the new norm. *sigh*


As for whatever President Obama's admin team is doing, I dread to think of what may happen if he (Obama) doesn't get re-elected... what will happen to the USA.

There's one warship in the Mediterranean, and there are several countries inbetween Israel and Iran. You're right, Israel is totally surrounded...

Your sarcasm is quite transparent.

And what if the Iran warship is just on a recon mission... or what if it is another Enola Gay (stealth mission)?
It only took one Enola Gay to stop WWII.
What is the purpose of the Iranian warship? Pleasure cruise? That's doubtful, unless it is to seize control of stuff that isn't in Iran's current control.

Given Iran's track record of threats against Israel, is it any wonder Israel is a bit ansty over who is surrounding them on all borders?

[Gatefan1976]

Does it ever bother you that you live in a constant state of fear, or is that just natural now?

I really don't mean to make light of your beliefs, you are as entitled to them as anyone, and I respect that, but I just cannot imagine living such a life by choice

[SGalisa]

FOOD.
Grow your own Hamburgers via stem cells. Sounds like it might be helpful for outer space travelers, especially until cattle can be shipped out into a space colony -- if anyone ever colonizes some other planet or moon out beyond earth, that is!

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"Test tube hamburgers to be served this year
The world's first test tube hamburger will be served up this October after scientists perfected the art of growing beef in the lab."
By Nick Collins, Science Correspondent, in Vancouver
8:00PM GMT 19 Feb 2012
http : // www .telegraph.co. uk/science/science-news/9091628/Test-tube-hamburgers-to-be-served-this-year.html

Subjects for possible tracking Earth's future prophecies and discussions thereof --

---- health issues (existing progress or lack of progress in medical advances for various diseases & super-viruses)

For several years now, there have been reports of genetically modified (GMO) foods and veggies being produced. These have been experimented with mostly to reduce undesired bug infestation populations eating our food supplies, and also to enhance produce grown especially during drought stricken time periods.

Unfortunately, as BT (a natural mosquito control) has been approved to be used in keeping bugs out of munching on our veggies, it's also been noted in some (food) reports that while the larva of the bugs munch out on the BT, their insides (stomachs) explode, so they die, yet this stuff digested by humans in small quantities is okay and safe. Really?

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"Four ways Monsanto threatens the environment and public health"
Sunday, December 18, 2011 by: Anthony Gucciardi
http : // www .naturalnews. com/034432_Monsanto_public_health_threat.html


So, apart from the veggies, what are TBTP doing to our Tuna supplies? Fish are becoming in short supply, so why is the tuna causing allergic breakouts (hives) in some people? It happens more in the tuna that is on sale for a decent, affordable, cheap price, than the ones sold at premium (max) value price.

[SGalisa]

Does it ever bother you that you live in a constant state of fear, or is that just natural now?

I really don't mean to make light of your beliefs, you are as entitled to them as anyone, and I respect that, but I just cannot imagine living such a life by choice

That depends on the situation. When a person is living in a location far removed from the rest of the world, where troubles exist, there is no worry, no need to even think about it. It's easy to live carefree and without a worry / concern in the world. People lived that way for years (decades) in the USA, until September 11, 2001 happened. Before September 11, 2001, most people had an open policy of inviting everyone from any where in the world over, to experience the wonders and joys that existed in America (the USA). That's how naivity works -- innocence of mind is free of clutter and life is wonderful to share.

After that day, everything changed. Life becomes very challenging to trust *anyone* ever again after such an event like that. The closer the person is to ground zero (of the actual event happening), the harder it is to trust -- just complete strangers as good samaritans, etc. Who is a good samaritan any more?

How can someone be a good samaritan when in that same month of September, a gang of teens or young adults were preying on the highway, pretending to be broken down, and when a good samaritan came over to help, that person was beat up and their car and other things stolen. This happened several times for several weeks, until the culprits got caught. Too many stories like that were becoming more and more common, or showed up in the news more and more frequently.

If you're living in a town where the "scouts" for lack of a better term were also living -- make that on the same neighborhood block as the hijacker scouts -- your world perspective changes. Some lady I met at a laundromat lived directly across the lawn from these (suspected hijacker) guys, and she had a tendency to speak what was on her mind. Well, she ended up in a head-on collision and had some serious injuries after she said something about her suspicious neighbors. Weird part was that the newspaper reporters were in the car directly behind her. The timing was just weird, there.
I'm sure it took that lady a long time to heal emotionally as well as physically.