Tracking Earth's Future via Current Events, etc.

[jelgate]

Chaka I gave you a chance to get bacon by calling out Annoyed's hypocrisy about calling liberals emotional and you blew it. Now I get the bacon.

[Annoyed]

Chaka I gave you a chance to get bacon by calling out Annoyed's hypocrisy about calling liberals emotional and you blew it. Now I get the bacon.

Before you assume you deserve bacon (you don't), take a look at some of CA's more liberal cities. They're literally swimming in the results of their emotional solutions. "Aw, isn't it to bad these people have no place to live", so they allow camps and such. But they keep inviting more and more folks who can't support themselves, with their "sanctuary city" crap and the like because they want to be "fair", another emotional response that ignores the facts. Someone has to pay for it.

[jelgate]

Irrelevant. Both sides have people who rely on facts and people who use emotions. Most of your arguments over the years use the latter hence the hypocrisy. I would like BLT form Chaka

[aretood2]

Before you assume you deserve bacon (you don't), take a look at some of CA's more liberal cities. They're literally swimming in the results of their emotional solutions. "Aw, isn't it to bad these people have no place to live", so they allow camps and such. But they keep inviting more and more folks who can't support themselves, with their "sanctuary city" crap and the like because they want to be "fair", another emotional response that ignores the facts. Someone has to pay for it.

Not many immigrants in those tent cities...mostly homeless citizens who can't be bothered to work where the immigrants are working (hint the lack of immigrants in the tent cities). My how your xenophobia blinds you from facts.

[Chaka-Z0]

Before you assume you deserve bacon (you don't), take a look at some of CA's more liberal cities. They're literally swimming in the results of their emotional solutions. "Aw, isn't it to bad these people have no place to live", so they allow camps and such. But they keep inviting more and more folks who can't support themselves, with their "sanctuary city" crap and the like because they want to be "fair", another emotional response that ignores the facts. Someone has to pay for it.

At least it's a positive human emotion whereas the conservatives' platform is driven on fear alone. Fear of international trade, fear of immigration, fear of climate changes, fear of fake news, fear of social medias, fear of abortion, fear of bacon.

*Hands over Jel a BLT with golden bread on a silver platter*

[SGalisa]

So... how long will it be before the next cleanup turns trashy, and every single one after that, as well?

If diseases that were common during the ancient plagues of Europe and the UK, make a comeback and increase in our 21st century right in the USA, the people guilty of causing this are the ones dumping it AND the government systems claiming to be helping the American people, and end up harming and destroying the very people they claim to *want to* protect and advance into a better "society".

California... the (failed!!!) socialism experiment that people want to spread to the rest of the entire USA. Sad.

Rotting garbage/waste that is not properly disposed of creates all sorts of gaseous fumes, as well. That can't be helping the atmosphere, especially when it occurs in bigger consumptions than what the earth is capable of decomposing slowly on the natural scale of things.

Overall: General symptoms of overpopulation.
Specific to CA.: They invite freeloaders and are surprised by the results? No one ever accused liberals of being intelligent.
They all have laudable EMOTIONAL goals, but they utterly ignore reality. Someone's gotta pay for this crap, and they never think of that.

Is this a blog or a forum thread?

(to Chaka-Z0) Why? Exposing the truth hurts? Ooooooooooo.

(to everyone else)
Doesn't matter to me what format this topic is put into. The info within is what matters. What people do with what that info has revealed is up to the individual person to ignore or take action on making this world a better place with the least amount of disastrous problems resulting and casualties caused by either of such actions.
What is so difficult to understand with that POV? This is a tracking (earth's) future issues topic, btw, of a variety of items -- pro and con.

In the situation the NBC news article exposed about trashy LA, California... (and San Francisco has similar trash/pee/poop problems too), well, (please) read on...

Eventually, if the trashy situation in California's top cities does not get under control, diseases from those medieval times in earth's history will happen in mega scale all over again. Or is that the goal? To wipe out huge populations one way or another, so that whoever is pulling the world's strings of events, pro or con, can hide the truth of various situations away, so that only certain personas or groups can survive..? Our current world is barely squeaking by, surviving day by day without a nuclear or EMP'd (whatever worst type of) WWIII breaking out... at least, as far as the general public is aware of.

What is being observed by many people in various places around this terrestrial globe basically boils down to the following--

This isn't a game of survival of the fittest, which is *what* many deceptive folks want the rest of the world to believe. It's becoming clearer by the week and day that there is a financial war zone being forced on those who cannot afford to make their life better. The few scenes of depravity being experienced around the earth now, are just examples of how backwards some societies are existing as, and how fast generations can fall into despair both physically and emotionally.

IMO, eventually, if these various places don't clean up their "actions" soon enough, they will regress backwards instead of being the "Progressive" people they claim to be. If people *want* the world to stay in the DARK (from knowledge of these various situations, both good and bad), then fine... live like folks did in the Dark Ages, and find out the difficult route when some horrid disaster strikes (generic) your own *bubble-world*, but don't complain because you preferred to hide from "reality" in whatever *darkness* (generic) you have chosen to live within.

[Chaka-Z0]

No I'm being sarcastic because this is a tracking the Earth future thread and you're making a huge deal out of a sanatory issue in one state in one country that somehow will condemn us all to a certain doom.

Have you looked south in the ghettos of Mexico and it's permanent fog? Have you noticed the situation in Yemen? Do you know about Venezuela impossible living conditions?

You know, real issues, stuff that matters.

[jelgate]

Don't forget the Invasion of the Sentient Tacos. Its happening right now.

[SGalisa]

(to Chaka-Z0) Why? Exposing the truth hurts? Ooooooooooo.
. . .
IMO, eventually, if these various places don't clean up their "actions" soon enough, they will regress backwards instead of being the "Progressive" people they claim to be...

No I'm being sarcastic because this is a tracking the Earth future thread and you're making a huge deal out of a sanatory issue in one state in one country that somehow will condemn us all to a certain doom.

Have you looked south in the ghettos of Mexico and it's permanent fog? Have you noticed the situation in Yemen? Do you know about Venezuela impossible living conditions?

You know, real issues, stuff that matters.

Chaka-Z0, the countries you listed aren't the only ones being affected and afflicted. I see the *bigger* picture dealing with "real issues, stuff that matters", as it was predicted (and noted further below). Sorry if this post here is jumping back and forth...

In recent weeks, it is becoming well known that our USA is dealing with various ways that the "GREEN New DEAL" is being pushed upon us all. How TPTB achieve this is at the moment, is unknown; but it is already being drafted in 8 states. California is one of those states. But California is also pushing "socialism" programs, which is expected to turn into another Venezuela, if certain (deteriorating) conditions occur.

The DEMs in the USA are pushing for President Trump to get ousted, so the "socialism" agenda can be fully achieved. When TPTB can control the people, as shown in Venezuela and Cuba, and wherever such systems exists and the majority of the people are living in gov't controlled conditions that are NOT of quality or high standards (e.g., "the Projects" in slum city areas), those conditions often result in poor sanitation in whatever city/state it exists within. California just happened to have escalated those problems, because the money that was supposed to be spent on keeping California's urban areas pristine clean have been dwindling out.

Where did the money go.. to whom, for what or where..? New York (especially NYC) is following in California's footsteps. New York City has already declared higher taxes are in store for next year, and it is rumored that if large money sources that support the current TAX system move out of the state, then NYC is destined to lose its supporting funding within a few years, and then what? Deja vu California, but on the east coast... and then, like dominos, other states that fell for California's, and New York City's GREEN DEAL paranoia, also will soon follow... and then what... more states fall... but into *what* type of future will they end up with?

So... the sanitation problems start now with one state. Part of the environmental "clean-up" includes banning plastic bags. So, this is done in the entire state of California. Other states are adopting this ban measure, as well. Fix one problem... but create another that grows out of control. People are lacking the foresight to fix the original problem so that it doesn't become a worse situation further down the line of time.

So, again... focusing on one State for the moment. Yeah. Ever hear of the bubonic plague? It wiped out thousands of people during the middle ages. It was discovered that the fleas the rats were carrying then is what brought the plague to the people. Today, this is a potential problem that needs to be watched carefully. With mass transit and air travel, it is well known that such (deadly) diseases can spread miles across continents from just a few infected individuals (look at how Ebola jumped continents). Add to that, the world's *newly* dreaded "climate change" of increasing temps... NOW, if those diseases infect the homeless or people working in or passing thru those unsanitary areas, this will become a major problem especially during summer heat!

BTW, in our 21st century (A.D./C.E.) armadillos carry leprosy on their bodies. Leprosy seems like an disease from ancient times. Yet, people in today's world can get Leprosy from handling armadillos. Armadillos live mostly in the southern USA.

So, it's not just ONE state or one disease to be concerned with. If the big league diseases end up being as ignored as those garbage heaps in Los Angeles, California have been ignored, then they will have the potential to get out-of-control and spread to who-knows-where. It only takes one person to slip thru the cracks of clerical tracking errors, to spread to another person and another. Look at the current measles epidemic... Or Chickpox. Kids in schools who don't know they are infected, infect others sometimes before signs and symptoms actually appear. And nowadays with preschool babysitting centers, infectious diseases have been *known* to spread thru entire families and school systems like wildfire (lots of absentee working moms, because their little ones caught some horrid infection thing from some other child or person in the school).

And to toss the Bible into this, plagues of diseases are one of those items that was prophecied would kill "many" in the "last age". Famines and diseases could/would wipe out about (or up to) 1/4th of the population:

Revelation 6:7-8
7) When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!"
8) I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

Anyone can guess "the wild beasts" probably and most likely includes the various rodent populations carrying various diseases.

So, yes, I take this news VERY seriously and on a more massive scale than just the State of California. At the moment, the crisis is local to California. But those "what if" scenarios can happen suddenly and without warning. There often is a calm before a storm. One can only hope there won't be any storms (of diseases) causing a bigger crisis than what currently exists.

Also, on another note... increasing temps in the Climate won't be this world's ONLY problem... as it will affect the crops, agriculture, clean vs. contaminated water supplies, marine life, AND thus the entire food supply, as noted by the word "FAMINE". Diseases usually follow when famines plague the regions they affect.

[Chaka-Z0]

Chaka-Z0, the countries you listed aren't the only ones being affected and afflicted. I see the *bigger* picture dealing with "real issues, stuff that matters", as it was predicted (and noted further below). Sorry if this post here is jumping back and forth...

In recent weeks, it is becoming well known that our USA is dealing with various ways that the "GREEN New DEAL" is being pushed upon us all. How TPTB achieve this is at the moment, is unknown; but it is already being drafted in 8 states. California is one of those states. But California is also pushing "socialism" programs, which is expected to turn into another Venezuela, if certain (deteriorating) conditions occur.

I don't think you see the bigger picture, the US & China together make up for almost half of the worlds pollution and each of those countries won't budge until the other does. In other words, if the US doesn't move China won't either. If those two countries don't adopt radical pollution limitations regulations we are simply screwed. The window to do this isn't years, it's months, and I'm an optimistic because most scientists now agree that there is no going back, only adapt.

The DEMs in the USA are pushing for President Trump to get ousted, so the "socialism" agenda can be fully achieved. When TPTB can control the people, as shown in Venezuela and Cuba, and wherever such systems exists and the majority of the people are living in gov't controlled conditions that are NOT of quality or high standards (e.g., "the Projects" in slum city areas), those conditions often result in poor sanitation in whatever city/state it exists within. California just happened to have escalated those problems, because the money that was supposed to be spent on keeping California's urban areas pristine clean have been dwindling out.

The current state of the countries you speak of are in such a dire state because of your country's present and past actions, literally. Perhaps a few updates in history would be useful to you?

Your country dumped a truckload of manure on South America then went ''Wow, why are you guys so poor and stuff? what's wrong with you? why are you coming over to me for help? I don't owe you nothing?''

New York City has already declared higher taxes are in store for next year, and it is rumored that if large money sources that support the current TAX system move out of the state, then NYC is destined to lose its supporting funding within a few years, and then what?

Of course, all businesses and major corps of this world will desert one of the busiest and biggest urban center of the world bc of a tax increase... yea not happening.

So... the sanitation problems start now with one state. Part of the environmental "clean-up" includes banning plastic bags. So, this is done in the entire state of California. Other states are adopting this ban measure, as well. Fix one problem... but create another that grows out of control. People are lacking the foresight to fix the original problem so that it doesn't become a worse situation further down the line of time.

Banning plastic bags creates another problem that grows out of control? What are you on about?

So, again... focusing on one State for the moment. Yeah. Ever hear of the bubonic plague? It wiped out thousands of people during the middle ages. It was discovered that the fleas the rats were carrying then is what brought the plague to the people. Today, this is a potential problem that needs to be watched carefully. With mass transit and air travel, it is well known that such (deadly) diseases can spread miles across continents from just a few infected individuals (look at how Ebola jumped continents). Add to that, the world's *newly* dreaded "climate change" of increasing temps... NOW, if those diseases infect the homeless or people working in or passing thru those unsanitary areas, this will become a major problem especially during summer heat!

We also don't burn people or drown them because we think demons are within them anymore. We're constantly at risk AND exposed to contamination and plagues, difference is we have vaccines that repel it and protocols / advanced medicine knowledge to contain it and or cure it.

BTW, in our 21st century (A.D./C.E.) armadillos carry leprosy on their bodies. Leprosy seems like an disease from ancient times. Yet, people in today's world can get Leprosy from handling armadillos. Armadillos live mostly in the southern USA.

Please provide links to the latest armadillo casualty. Ever heard of vaccines or antibiotics? Maybe that's why you can't find anything?

So, it's not just ONE state or one disease to be concerned with. If the big league diseases end up being as ignored as those garbage heaps in Los Angeles, California have been ignored, then they will have the potential to get out-of-control and spread to who-knows-where. It only takes one person to slip thru the cracks of clerical tracking errors, to spread to another person and another. Look at the current measles epidemic... Or Chickpox. Kids in schools who don't know they are infected, infect others sometimes before signs and symptoms actually appear. And nowadays with preschool babysitting centers, infectious diseases have been *known* to spread thru entire families and school systems like wildfire (lots of absentee working moms, because their little ones caught some horrid infection thing from some other child or person in the school).

All those infections you speak of are entirely the fault of the idiocracy of the (some) religious movements or anti-vaxxers and else or, simply put, morons.

Natural selection. If those idiots are too dense to take a vaccine that could save their lives then let them die and we'll be better off. My only exception would be the children that should be taken out of these families so they have a chance to live because they are innocents.

[Annoyed]

I don't think you see the bigger picture, the US & China together make up for almost half of the worlds pollution and each of those countries won't budge until the other does. In other words, if the US doesn't move China won't either. If those two countries don't adopt radical pollution limitations regulations we are simply screwed. The window to do this isn't years, it's months, and I'm an optimistic because most scientists now agree that there is no going back, only adapt.

Poor, deluded lizard.
The efforts at controlling this so called problem have to date been to levy taxes, fees and otherwise force the US to pay for this load of fertilizer while giving China and other major sources of pollution a pass for one reason or another.

And that would be the case if it was really an ecological problem, which it isn't. Granted, climate is changing and has been constantly changing, but it hasn't been proven that mankind is the cause of it. Pretty hard to do that when it has been going on since before we climbed down out of the trees.

As far as the "most scientists" line, all you gotta do is follow the money. Most of these scientists are in the employ of the government or educational industries, both of which skew hard left. What happens to a scientist whose report says " No problem here" ? Well, of course, if that's the case, there is nothing left for him to study, is there, so he has to find honest work someplace or sell his financial backers on the idea that there's something else he can study, doesn't he?

And as far as the Kindergartner and her GND, most of her BS doesn't even involve the environment, it's just a road map to socialism, or to put it more bluntly, she's trying to put her hand in taxpayer's pockets under the guise of environmental concern. Just as that guy from the UN's IPCC did about 10 years back, she outright saying that she wants to use environmental concerns to redistribute wealth. Sorry, but myself and a whole lot of other people aren't stupid enough to buy into that line of BS.

Of course, all businesses and major corps of this world will desert one of the busiest and biggest urban center of the world bc of a tax increase... yea not happening.

It's not? Read the news. As a result of Trump's tax reform package, affluent taxpayers in high tax hellholes like NY can't use their federal returns to partially offset their high taxes, so they face the full brunt of that tax burden. Haven't you read the news? Many affluent taxpayers in NY are leaving. The state has been griping about that for quite some time now. Of course, they can't accept the truth; that with the loss of the federal cushion, they're gonna have to cut taxes in order to be competitive with lower tax states.

Banning plastic bags creates another problem that grows out of control? What are you on about?

I dunno what SGalisia is on about, but here's one. Many people, myself included don't consider those bags to be single use disposable. They are re-used for various things. I use 'em for cat litter disposal. Others use them for other things.
If banned, people will just start buying other plastic bags to do the same thing. No reduction in the number of bags used, just an increase in cost for the consumer.

NY is banning them next year. I've been stocking up on extras for a while now. I've got about 6 years' worth stashed, so I'm just gonna keep right on using them after the ban goes in place.

[mad_gater]

Banning plastic bags creates another problem that grows out of control? What are you on about?

well we use paper bags almost exclusively at Whole Foods.....gotta be careful how heavy you pack them though as the handles don't seem very strong...another drawback is that they are more expensive to produce than plastic ones....I'm thinking that perhaps a good intermediate step might be introducing plastic grocery bags made from that "bio-bag" material that biodegrades in the landfill...might be slightly more expensive than the regular plastic ones but not as expensive as paper bags to produce

of course regular plastic bags probably wouldn't be much of an issue if there weren't so many people who are too lazy to sort their trash (At Whole Foods our trash can be sorted into regular trash, of which the goal is to incinerate 85% of it and leave only 15% going to the landfill, mixed recyclables, and compostables)

[Gatefan1976]

No I'm being sarcastic because this is a tracking the Earth future thread and you're making a huge deal out of a sanatory issue in one state in one country that somehow will condemn us all to a certain doom.

Have you looked south in the ghettos of Mexico and it's permanent fog? Have you noticed the situation in Yemen? Do you know about Venezuela impossible living conditions?

You know, real issues, stuff that matters.

Gotta remember here dude, while this thread often gets side-tracked, SG is looking at things via biblical prophecy. Right or not, that's her lens for her thread.

[Chaka-Z0]

Poor, deluded lizard.
The efforts at controlling this so called problem have to date been to levy taxes, fees and otherwise force the US to pay for this load of fertilizer while giving China and other major sources of pollution a pass for one reason or another.

The US pollutes just as bad, even more so considering what I've pointed out last time about Trump getting rid of the liability for American companies that free them from complying with environmental rules, pattern of migratory birds and oil spills. You've been enjoying an ultra-capitalist lifestyle for so long, it's time you pay the bill (you being the US).

And that would be the case if it was really an ecological problem, which it isn't. Granted, climate is changing and has been constantly changing, but it hasn't been proven that mankind is the cause of it. Pretty hard to do that when it has been going on since before we climbed down out of the trees.

Still living in Alice's world I see.

As far as the "most scientists" line, all you gotta do is follow the money. Most of these scientists are in the employ of the government or educational industries, both of which skew hard left. What happens to a scientist whose report says " No problem here" ? Well, of course, if that's the case, there is nothing left for him to study, is there, so he has to find honest work someplace or sell his financial backers on the idea that there's something else he can study, doesn't he?

You got that the other way around. The majority of scientists agree that climate changes are real and provide compilations of practical and empiric data on the matter. Those that say there is no climate changes are paid by the industry who wants to see their interests preserved. Wake up.

And as far as the Kindergartner and her GND, most of her BS doesn't even involve the environment, it's just a road map to socialism, or to put it more bluntly, she's trying to put her hand in taxpayer's pockets under the guise of environmental concern. Just as that guy from the UN's IPCC did about 10 years back, she outright saying that she wants to use environmental concerns to redistribute wealth. Sorry, but myself and a whole lot of other people aren't stupid enough to buy into that line of BS.

We'll see at the next elections. One thing is for sure if Trump gets re-elected we're headed for a major environmental catastrophe.

It's not? Read the news. As a result of Trump's tax reform package, affluent taxpayers in high tax hellholes like NY can't use their federal returns to partially offset their high taxes, so they face the full brunt of that tax burden. Haven't you read the news? Many affluent taxpayers in NY are leaving. The state has been griping about that for quite some time now. Of course, they can't accept the truth; that with the loss of the federal cushion, they're gonna have to cut taxes in order to be competitive with lower tax states.

Some is not all. There is no such thing as a complete exodus of all capitals due to a tax increase. Most businesses remain, mayors and politicians don't, they'll bide their time.

I dunno what SGalisia is on about, but here's one. Many people, myself included don't consider those bags to be single use disposable. They are re-used for various things. I use 'em for cat litter disposal. Others use them for other things.
If banned, people will just start buying other plastic bags to do the same thing. No reduction in the number of bags used, just an increase in cost for the consumer.

That is completely false, plastic bags haven't been banned here (but soon will) but they now charge the customers 5cents per bag, and that's enough to make most people bring their re-usable bags, which works fine. When you go to groceries I see people bagging fruits individually, I see people triple bagging their meat, it's just stupid and a huge waste of plastic. I haven't had to use a single plastic bag in over 5 years now, I keep those that I don't have a choice to get (say 1 bag for meat) and that's more than enough. I've got a bird and he probably craps 5 times more than your cat does, never had to use a plastic bag, I use my actual trash which you need to empty anyways.

NY is banning them next year. I've been stocking up on extras for a while now. I've got about 6 years' worth stashed, so I'm just gonna keep right on using them after the ban goes in place.

Great job Annoyed, hope you'll write your initials on them too or sign to prove your defiance against the system.

Gotta remember here dude, while this thread often gets side-tracked, SG is looking at things via biblical prophecy. Right or not, that's her lens for her thread.

So what? Does that mean we can't challenge her? Prophecies can be challenged just as much as political opinions, which are mixed in all her posts. I didn't even tackle the biblical stuff.

You want to expose your religious views and prophecies on a public thread, be ready to face the music.

[Gatefan1976]

Challenge her all you like, I certainly have.
All I am saying is that, that is HER lens. Yours and mine might be on data, but hers is not, nor is it the point of her thread.
Start a thread about the reality of climate change.