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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena View Post
    Its not her thread, this forum is owned by Darren. So anything that is posted by anyone thus becomes owned by him.
    well you know what I mean... the thread she started to post these things
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    This brings much pain but SQ is right

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    "So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." (Matthew 6:34 NASB)

    Out of curiosity I gave this thread a quick read and I have to say that few times do I come across something that takes verses from the Bible so out of their context that they fail to make much sense at all. Sadly it is those who have little understanding of the Bible that make other see it as a book filled with poorly written ramblings of little value.


    The Bible was written over the course of hundreds of years, it was written for a specific audience. The book of revelations, for example, was written for a handful of churches at the time of Apostle Paul (Revelations 1:4). The Bible is a book meant to instill hope (Romans 15:4). Another reason for the Bible's existence is also to provide needed spiritual advice and lessons (2 Timothy 3:16). Nowhere in scripture do we find that the writings in it are only meant for those who would be alive thousands of years into the future. It does say, however, that they are written so that people

    Take this into consideration and we find that the book of Revelations has several purposes. The first is to provide a much needed message to the seven churches in existence at the time that it was "written for the generation to come; And a people which shall be created shall praise Jehovah," (Psalm 102:18 ASB). So it was written first for those who lived at the time, and recorded so that the people that were created with this purpose may "praise Jehovah."

    The book of Revelations was written for the sake of those ancient Christians, so it had to be relevant to them first, then it is meant for us so that we may provide such praise and strengthen our faith in God. These "mysteries" belong to us for learning, not to decide when or where these things will happen (Deuteronomy 29:29; Acts 1:7). This is why the warning found in Torah is repeated in the book of Revelations to not add to anything to scripture nor take anything away, be it the actual text or to add unscriptural assumptions and guesses (Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32; Proverbs 30:6; Revelations 22: 18, 19) So since we are not supposed to know the when and where, the question remains: What are we to learn from these writings? We can not answer these questions by making rash assumptions to add to scripture.

    If you read the Bible you'll see the beginning and the end of many "worlds." The first world began with Adam and eve and ended with their fall (Genesis 3:22-24) and that began a new era which ended with the flood (Genesis 7). The following era was the time between the Flood and the tower of Babel, after it fell a new system rose that we are familiar with, a world of many nations (Genesis 11:9). This world persists, but another era began after the Hebrews left Egypt. That new world would then require God to build a people to be light unto the world (Isaiah 42:6). These people received a Law that, if followed, would bring about many blessings (Deuteronomy 10:12, 13; 11:26, 27). So this fell to the Hebrews, of which they did not fulfill causing the destruction of the first Temple and ending that world.

    Then the new Temple came about, a New era which then ended with John the Baptist, "For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John," (Matthew 11:13 NASB) which was followed by the destruction of the second temple and thus an end of that world. An end that the Christians of the seven churches saw and knew about. This was a precarious
    time, since most if not all of the other Apostles were dead, they too felt the end of their world was coming.

    In the Bible you read about a "Former" and "Latter" rain, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in Jehovah your God; for he giveth you the former rain and in just measure he causeth to come down for you the rain, the former and the latter rain, in the first month." (Joel 2:23 ASB). From the time of the last Prophet of the "Old Testament" to John the Baptist was about 400 years. The time between Moses and Joseph was around the same length. During both time periods there was great darkness, the none scriptural book of Maccabees describes this darkness, "And there was a great tribulation in Israel, such as was not since the day, that there was no prophet seen in Israel" (1 Maccabees 9:27 DRA). While this book is not divinely inspired and has some issues with consistency, it is still useful to peek into the images of that point in time.

    This suffering that is recorded in the book of Maccabees is consistent with the suffering during the time of Israel's enslavement in Egypt (Exodus 2:23-25). This is something that the Christians of Apostle John's time would be familiar with. And now they saw themselves to be at the end of the world. But Apostle John wrote a book, Revelations, or a series of letters compiled together. In this book he gave a repitative account of "the end of the world" but at the very end, there is hope.

    "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”' (Revelations 21:1-4 NASB)
    Throughout the book you see signs of hope, signs that the saints continue to cry to God (Revelations 7:9-12). You have the 7 trumpets, bowls, and seals. This repitition and the use of the number of days in a week signal that these things are happening 7 days a week, meaning that the Christians shouldn't fear the end of one world, for another world awaits them.

    And today as we see and learn from these writings, that which happened back then will happen to day, and with even greater force, but we shouldn't be anxious or worried about it. Those who have hope, those who do not live in fear and those who "Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses." (2 Timothy 6:12 NASB). This book was never meant to be one to cause fear, to make people constantly be on the look out for death. It was meant to give hope, to cause us to see the ever stressing situation of the world and know that God is aware of this and has prepared for us the new heavens and the new earth so that we may know pain and sickness and death no more.

    While yes, Jesus did say that things would be worse before he would return (Matthew 24:1ff), that is to be expected, that is no excuse for trying to follow the times and attempting to know the date of his coming for not even he knows when he will come (24:37). If he doesn't know, none of us will ever be able to guess. But for this very reason Jesus also gave us the very first verse that I quoted, we shouldn't worry about the end. That was Apostle John's message in Revelations. Things end, but for the faithful, it will never be The End.

    "
    “The king relented. "Safety is an illusion, Costis. A Thief might fall at any time, and eventually the day must come when the god will let him. Whether I am on a rafter three stories up or on a staircase three steps up, I am in my god's hands. He will keep me
    safe, or he will not, here or on the stairs.”
    ?
    Megan Whalen Turner
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    The King of Attolia"

    No matter how much we try, we can never truly say that we are safe. This is why we should put our faith in God, not governments and airport security and any man made means. And even then, there must still be an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena View Post
    Its not her thread, this forum is owned by Darren. So anything that is posted by anyone thus becomes owned by him.
    I am aware of that, so no need to remind me that I am merely a *guest* here..

    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    EXCUSE ME!!!!!!
    I'm sorry, but the world, dispite your almighty freaking boarders exists. WE HAVE had our own problems with "terrorism" thank you very much, and just because we loose a few dozen as opposed to a few thousand means exactly JACK CRAP.


    OH FFS, you gonna pull that one out for decades to come as well??


    The USA's population is roughly 320 million, the rest of the 6 BILLION on the planet are willing to try to make a recovery, look at what happened, and assign "blame" such as it is to those responsible, you wanna live in fear of everyone who doesn't fit "an American", as some kind of profile, thats your bag.


    And of course this never happened before, 9/11 was the catalyst for all such behavior, untill then, no one was ever mugged, no groups were ever disparaged....................
    I'm disgusted.


    FEAR SELLS PAPERS, and the newspapers picked up on it, what do you expect?


    Wow just, Wow.
    ok, for starters, my time is limited, so I can't break this apart line by line.

    (on the lighter side =) wow. I can say it, too wow..spells wow backwards too..

    Please try to realize that most of us posting on these forums have no idea what the next person is truly like, or *what* they have actually lived thru. I was speaking in terms of *generic* (could relate to anyone) situations, not targeting specific persons.

    So, with that in mind, try to understand this--
    I grew up naive. Very naive. I learned the difficult route that people I thought I could trust were not totally trustworthy. I grew up in an area known as a sleepy-little town in the middle of nowhere. Our schools have programs known as EXCHANGE STUDENT program, where a student from another country comes and visits a family in the USA while a student in the USA visits the visiting person's country and family. I thought that was a wonderful idea and helps expand our understanding of other cultures, and etc.

    I used to think it was unfair to the rest of the world that most kids/families don't have that sort of opportunity.
    I used to believe in an open door, welcome mat policy. Be courteous at all times (as much as possible), you never know who you might be meeting up with, and hope that other person is nice and kind in return.


    I only brought up the issue of September 11, 2001, because that is the day my own world (sleepy-little town) got turned upside down. It'd be nice to forget about and move forward -- but when the saber rattling of other nations who hate the USA ring loud and clear, shouting "DEATH to AMERICANS" and actually doing exactly that whenever they feel like it, (generic) your world of trust changes.

    It wasn't just the World Trade Center in NYC that was affected. It was all of those towns the suspected hijacker scouts went visiting to and actually lived in. Mine was one of those towns. Two buildings away from my family, in fact. Found out from some little old ladies living in their same courtyard complex, on where these mysterious guys all came from.
    Pre-9/11/2001, these guys had the M.O. of the hijackers who crashed into the WTC, too -- stay for a few months, leave and moved on elsewhere, which the short stay hops just seemed a bit odd. After the WTC was crashed into, some of these guys suddenly up and vanished. I heard rumors that ICE, the FBI, and State Police were looking for a few specific individuals. The landlady never even knew who was actually living in those apartments, because all she knew was that someone was paying their bills. Weird item -- the Living Complex place was owned by a Jewish businessman. Did it make me feel safer after hearing that story? Not really. It was enough to shake up even the most hardiest of hearts, who told me about the search rumors and later denied having been aware of any of it.

    While our naive minds were just thinking the guys that showed up from the various middle eastern countries and went to college or worked at the local gas stations -- while we thought these guys were struggling, trying to make ends meet (they all lived in the same apartment--crammed in with about a dozen in each apartment, and no furniture that we could see, so they slept on the floor! Well, while we were feeling sorry for those guys (and they were all males), someone was paying their bills -- so they didn't really need to work nearby. These guys walked everywhere -- rain, snow, whatever. One of them actually came up to my car (at night in the parking lot) and just stared at me with a strange look, but decided to walk away.

    Was I creeped out? Yeah. I used to live near Paterson, NJ, so yeah. Paterson has as bad of a reputation as Newark, NJ; Jersey City, NJ, and the worst parts of NYC,NY. Female alone in car with creepy male guy (I never did find out who he was) who deliberately went out of his way to walk over to my car.. that in itself is creepy.

    Never once did these guys smile in a passing greeting on the sidewalk with a woman. Most of the time, they stayed on the other side of the lawn, but there were some exceptions. Were those times creepy too? No. Just bizarre. It's sad that some people in our world live that way, but they do.


    Personally, and ever since I've studied personality temperaments, I believe that everyone is composed of the 4 basic temperament traits. The worst offenders seem to be the con-artists and nasty, angry souls who turn against a naive persona without warning. Those are the ones that cannot be totally trusted. It doesn't matter what culture, society, religious, economic or country background a person comes from. What is at the core, is the persona being encountered -- are they nice and kind, or something else? That's what each person's own persona boils down to at its core.

    When the world realizes this is how people really are, and only then begin trying to get along with each other's differences, as long as others don't get bullied, maimed, killed, injured, (fill in "bad" event___) then the world might start to see more joy within it. It's not a perfect world, and far from it, especially at its current rate of behaviors and deeds.


    and another story-- (in spoiler brackets for space)
    Spoiler:
    It's getting tougher for parents to protect their children from bullying people who have intents of maiming, or worse. As far as the substance abuse problem in a neighborhood one would least expect it, one of the sons of a friend of one of my relatives-- had his head bashed into a brick/concrete wall when he apparently rattled out on his neighbors who were suspected of doing drugs and getting into more serious crimes. The kid ended up with a 4 or 5-inch patch of stitches in his skull. He's all healed up now, but seriously messed up on issues of how much pain he can tolerate.

    What makes that situation more serious to other parents in the area is that gangs have formed, which is nothing new, but the level of violence from those gangs is new. A while back, someone scribbled MS-13 on the walls of one of the nearby town buildings, and the police were attempting to find out who the responsible culprits were (the papers never reported a resolution to any of that).

    In addition to MS-13 gang members operating nationally (and anywhere) within the USA, along the Texas-Mexican border, MS-13 and a few other violent gangs have been reported to beheading anyone opposed to their ways. They aren't just maiming their victims; they behead and dismember some of them.

    That is a Very disturbing trend for our future world.

    So, the rest of us in the same town are supposed just walk around pretending none of this stuff is happening??
    Oh just look the other way, because some crazy politican(s) are allowing this sort of behavior to continue? and that's a whole other story in itself.

    At this point in life trusting of another person is earned, not simply given. Before the year 2001, naive hearts simply gave trust to anyone they met.
    They got severely bitten after 9-11-2001. And life--in general--has not gotten any better since then, only worse.



    Gotta go. Sorry I can't elaborate more at the moment.
    Got a hungry hubby hovering around to feed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena View Post
    Its not a stealth mission as it requires no body besides a select few to know, which the whole world knows, so its not a stealth mission.

    What is it going to seize with just 1 warship in which most of the crew is only trained to run that ship. Its going to take more than 1 warship.
    Then why is the "warship" there? What is it carrying? Or what does it plan on carrying back?
    Easy, simple questions. If they aren't hiding anything, they should be able to fess up, without balking for time on letting inspectors inspect the ship from top to bottom and all points in between.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena View Post
    You need to brush up on your history as there where two planes who flew both of the nuclear weapons to Japan in Aug of 1945.
    I am aware of that.
    They didn't really need the 2nd plane, but used it as a back-up reinforcement.
    I have a history teacher in the family who taught World and USA History.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    So, with that in mind, try to understand this--
    I grew up naive. Very naive. I learned the difficult route that people I thought I could trust were not totally trustworthy. I grew up in an area known as a sleepy-little town in the middle of nowhere. Our schools have programs known as EXCHANGE STUDENT program, where a student from another country comes and visits a family in the USA while a student in the USA visits the visiting person's country and family. I thought that was a wonderful idea and helps expand our understanding of other cultures, and etc.

    I used to think it was unfair to the rest of the world that most kids/families don't have that sort of opportunity.
    I used to believe in an open door, welcome mat policy. Be courteous at all times (as much as possible), you never know who you might be meeting up with, and hope that other person is nice and kind in return.

    I only brought up the issue of September 11, 2001, because that is the day my own world (sleepy-little town) got turned upside down. It'd be nice to forget about and move forward -- but when the saber rattling of other nations who hate the USA ring loud and clear, shouting "DEATH to AMERICANS" and actually doing exactly that whenever they feel like it, (generic) your world of trust changes.

    It wasn't just the World Trade Center in NYC that was affected. It was all of those towns the suspected hijacker scouts went visiting to and actually lived in. Mine was one of those towns. Two buildings away from my family, in fact. Found out from some little old ladies living in their same courtyard complex, on where these mysterious guys all came from.
    Pre-9/11/2001, these guys had the M.O. of the hijackers who crashed into the WTC, too -- stay for a few months, leave and moved on elsewhere, which the short stay hops just seemed a bit odd. After the WTC was crashed into, some of these guys suddenly up and vanished. I heard rumors that ICE, the FBI, and State Police were looking for a few specific individuals. The landlady never even knew who was actually living in those apartments, because all she knew was that someone was paying their bills. Weird item -- the Living Complex place was owned by a Jewish businessman. Did it make me feel safer after hearing that story? Not really. It was enough to shake up even the most hardiest of hearts, who told me about the search rumors and later denied having been aware of any of it.

    While our naive minds were just thinking the guys that showed up from the various middle eastern countries and went to college or worked at the local gas stations -- while we thought these guys were struggling, trying to make ends meet (they all lived in the same apartment--crammed in with about a dozen in each apartment, and no furniture that we could see, so they slept on the floor! Well, while we were feeling sorry for those guys (and they were all males), someone was paying their bills -- so they didn't really need to work nearby. These guys walked everywhere -- rain, snow, whatever. One of them actually came up to my car (at night in the parking lot) and just stared at me with a strange look, but decided to walk away.

    Was I creeped out? Yeah. I used to live near Paterson, NJ, so yeah. Paterson has as bad of a reputation as Newark, NJ; Jersey City, NJ, and the worst parts of NYC,NY. Female alone in car with creepy male guy (I never did find out who he was) who deliberately went out of his way to walk over to my car.. that in itself is creepy.

    Never once did these guys smile in a passing greeting on the sidewalk with a woman. Most of the time, they stayed on the other side of the lawn, but there were some exceptions. Were those times creepy too? No. Just bizarre. It's sad that some people in our world live that way, but they do.
    Just cause you were naive doesnt mean that everyone was. You were to dumb and blind to think that the outside world wouldnt affect you, till something did happen that did affect you. And now you regret it, just like alot of people do and then try to show people whats outside of there small little world they live in who are just like you used to be.

    And now you give us your sad story of what happened to you to justify not to trust anyone cause they may or may not be who they say they are.

    Its people like you and other people who are turning this country upside down cause of some event that happened. We shouldnt have to be fearing from our government cause of all the laws and bills passed due to some event more than the people who caused the event to happen.

    Should we be more careful, Yes we should. Should we be so careful that it affects our freedoms? Hell frakking no it shouldnt, which what happened.

    TSA, has more power than it should have.
    A whole new part of the government(Department of Homeland Security) to "make sure the US is safe".

    The people in power in the US Government took away alot of our freedoms just so the enemy wont attack us no more. That is what many people call giving in or surrendering.

    Spoiler:
    Im not attacking you or meant to offend you in anyway.


    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa
    Then why is the "warship" there? What is it carrying? Or what does it plan on carrying back?
    Easy, simple questions. If they aren't hiding anything, they should be able to fess up, without balking for time on letting inspectors inspect the ship from top to bottom and all points in between.
    I do not know, maybe you should go to Iran and ask the military leaders and the leader of Iran?

    Like I said, a stealth mission means that only select few know. But when the world knows and many countries are watching that warship, its not very stealthy now is it?
    As for a inspection, who the hell are we to be inspecting some other countries warship? We are nobody, we have no right to demand we inspect every warship or ship of another country just cause they may or may not have hostile intentions.

    No wonder the whole world calls the USA the world police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    Then why is the "warship" there? What is it carrying? Or what does it plan on carrying back?
    Easy, simple questions. If they aren't hiding anything, they should be able to fess up, without balking for time on letting inspectors inspect the ship from top to bottom and all points in between.
    So I assume the US Navy will let Iran inspect its ships as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    EXCUSE ME!!!!!!
    ...
    The USA's population is roughly 320 million, the rest of the 6 BILLION on the planet are willing to try to make a recovery, look at what happened, and assign "blame" such as it is to those responsible, you wanna live in fear of everyone who doesn't fit "an American", as some kind of profile, thats your bag.
    ...
    I hope you've read my previous posts, because I really don't feel like re-stating them here.
    Anywho...

    What is the continuous fascination to spin an American (USA) label on everything and blame America for the rest of the world's problems? (true, our recent gov'ts haven't been the best, but it isn't ALL of the USA's fault for the rest of the world's warring problems).

    (General USA Background) Ever since the USA colonies broke away from England's authority, it has tried to live on its own. Sounds selfish and self-centered. But once the internal wars within the USA stopped, it tried to live and enjoy life by getting along with each other person living within it. It didn't want to get involved in the rest of the world's problems. It basically stuck its proverbial head in the ground and stayed there... until WWII with Pearl Harbor being attacked. True, the USA got involved with WWI -- fault of the USA gov't. Surprise, surprise, it wasn't all of the USA doing this or wanting any part of that.



    I may have been born in America, but my ancestral genes come from both sides of this planet, which includes being part Native American (Indian)..! So, maybe it's because of my geneological ancestry that I don't think like the average American. Unless I have to be specific about a certain spot on this planet, I usually think in (the entire) "world" terms. We're all here together, like it or not... The whole Earth, not just a tiny segment of it. If I wasn't raised a Christian, I'd probably be one of those world "Mother Earth" huggers.

    I (usually) don't put a USA name label on world events, because I was raised Christian (Catholic actually). So, as a Christian, I was taught that everyone (humans everywhere on earth and maybe elsewhere in the universe) were put into this world by the same Creator (God), and we are all unique in His sight. We are all destined to have our own room somewhere in eternity to call our own. But until eternity begins, we share life on the same planet, the same world -- it belongs to all of us -- given to us by our (God) Creator. What humanity, since their birth, has done as whole unit with this planet -- is another story.


    As for blaming the USA for this and that -- It seems that the rest of the world dragged the USA into their own little squabbles, not that the USA deliberately stuck its proverbial nose into the world. People elsewhere came to us. The USA got dragged into WWII, when Pearl Harbor (in Hawaii) got hit. Ever since that time, and the big boom of Japan, the USA has treaded with caution as best it could, until threats of WWIII got stirred up in the 1960's and 1970's. We (the USA) got its children hurled into war during Vietnam. We've had our kids sent into many other places, sometimes against their will (especially their parents!).

    So, the "world issues" is a gov't problem. Blame the gov'ts for dragging the rest of us nobodies into their world scheming.

    I thought as humans, we were all put on this earth together -- one giant boat-house, so to speak.
    Humanity itself is what should be addressed in the profiling. Not the country of the USA or Britain, or whatever country has a name label on its piece of soil. And IF *humanity* as a whole should be addressed in this profiling as an issue, then people should/must deal with individual personalities, as they exist. Not target a piece of soil and whoever is living on it, just *because* humanity as a whole unit cannot get along... It's the individual personalities doing the decision making, and mostly at the top rungs of the controlling ladder. Not the little folks being forced under control at the bottom of that same ladder. *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena View Post
    Just cause you were naive doesnt mean that everyone was. You were to dumb and blind to think that the outside world wouldnt affect you, till something did happen that did affect you. And now you regret it, just like alot of people do and then try to show people whats outside of there small little world they live in who are just like you used to be.

    And now you give us your sad story of what happened to you to justify not to trust anyone cause they may or may not be who they say they are.

    Its people like you and other people who are turning this country upside down cause of some event that happened. We shouldnt have to be fearing from our government cause of all the laws and bills passed due to some event more than the people who caused the event to happen.

    Should we be more careful, Yes we should. Should we be so careful that it affects our freedoms? Hell frakking no it shouldnt, which what happened.

    TSA, has more power than it should have.
    A whole new part of the government(Department of Homeland Security) to "make sure the US is safe".

    The people in power in the US Government took away alot of our freedoms just so the enemy wont attack us no more. That is what many people call giving in or surrendering.

    Spoiler:
    Im not attacking you or meant to offend you in anyway.

    (spoiler understood =)

    As for the rest, it seems you've basically labeled "my little world" as insecure and people like me are responsible for what is happening on the rest of this planet.


    I hate to differ with you, but I cannot agree with that viewpoint.

    I think you're saying that I regret being naive, and resent it all the more, so no one can ever be trusted again? Actually, I tend to give people more leeway in most areas, regardless. I just do it now with a "proceed with extreme caution" -- just in case, they end up being a total con job. I doubt if I will ever stop being naive.. it's part of my inbuilt personality, so I just learned to live with it. How other people see me is their perspective, not mine.

    There's more to the story than you'd care to hear. It wouldn't matter if it was told... *sigh*
    Spoiler:
    In addition to our sleepy little town unaware of playing "host" to suspected hijacker scouts, while they plotted our demise (death, or removal from life itself in whatever form they decided upon), one of my relatives was supposed to come home from a medical trauma rehab center that week. He never came home. Months prior, he had a possible stroke and fell down a flight of stairs. It destroyed his brain enough that it crippled him for the rest of his life.

    During that same week, he received a Federal jury notice to go to court in Newark, NJ -- on hmmm..
    September 11, 2001. Freaky. The man was hospitalized and incapable of going anywhere, let alone making a rational decision on a jury! A month prior, his jury notice showed up and it looked like an identity theft situation. He was in the air force. Military members were having their records stolen in identity theft by the thousands then. So, we contacted the police to find out how legit his notice was. I mean, the guy was in a medical bed under 24-hour care! Hello? Was our gov't that slow in tracking it's residents?

    When I contacted the jury office in Newark, they checked into the ID number of his notice, and believed it was legit. It was a low number, so he would have been surely picked had he been forced to go. Fortunately, that situation got cleared up about him not having to show up in court on 9-11-2001, but another rumor surfaced that the court house in Newark, NJ was also targeted to be attacked that September morning. I didn't even notice any possible connection between his jury notice for that day and the WTC, until after I put the dates together later in that week. That's pure naivity.


    Anyway, he was supposed to be moved back closer to home that 9-11-2001 morning. He never came home that week. His ambulance transport instead ended up at the WTC all week long, which was more urgently needed there than moving him back home. He never knew in the remaining days that he lived, what happened in NYC that morning either. He didn't know who Osama bin Laden was (and gave no indication that he knew either). He also didn't know our nation was under attack that morning with threats popping up now and then ever since from other parts of the world.

    The burden was on the rest of the family not to complicate his life with more stress of life happening in the rest of the world than what he already had (brain trauma injury).

    So, try living in the other person's shoes experiencing all of these events. Each one separately might be easier to swallow when they don't seem to merge into one giant nightmare. Seriously.


    Forgiving the matter and folks responsible for all of the above is one thing, forgetting the memory (or memories) is an entirely different matter.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena View Post
    And now you give us your sad story of what happened to you to justify not to trust anyone cause they may or may not be who they say they are.
    No---- justifying trust with these specific (horrific type of) events is *not* the issue.
    Whatever happened to simple humanity being human? Humans are supposed to have evolved to higher levels of learning and intelligence, yet some of them still act like a pack of barbarians from ancient times.. just the technologies and uses thereof have changed.
    As the old saying goes---- The more things change, the more they seem to stay the same.


    Whatever happened to simple kindness? We as humans will never be able to achieve colonizing another planet, moon or world beyond our earth, until everyone can overcome their *issues* and stop attacking each other. Learn to peacefully turn those swords into plowshears and till the soil. Grow food. Enjoy life so that everyone can each day they enter.

    The reality is that this world is full of people having unique personalities. Unfortunately, some of those same people are hell-bent with anger in their hearts, and some people choose to use deception in their approach as opposed to an outright sudden outburst of anger. The meek and mild ones usually end up getting caught in the middle of fights they didn't start or (want to) choose to get involved with.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena View Post
    Its people like you and other people who are turning this country upside down cause of some event that happened.
    Gee, for one thing, I wish I had that much power to control what direction this world would be heading into. I'd turn it right-side up and do my utmost best to make sure people got along with each other.. however, I am *NOT* God, so I can't do that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena View Post
    We shouldnt have to be fearing from our government cause of all the laws and bills passed due to some event more than the people who caused the event to happen.
    This still sounds like a conspiracy has been suddenly formed because of one event (or more) in time.
    And how do the rest of the naive folks know that such issues weren't hatched long-term by gov'ts who gained some power, got bored with normal life, and decided to liven things up with making their own little war games?


    Otherwise, then blame the gov'ts of the entire world over the enforcement issues now being pushed upon humanity (as a whole). Global warming... lots of blame games going on there... and the evils of capitalism. It's not just the USA (in general daily life) at fault, but the entire world. Too much territorial fighting and in-fighting, as well.


    Too bad TPTB in control can't go off onto another planet and fight this out on their own. Leave the rest of us folks to enjoy the few uneventful, peaceful moments our life actually gives us. Dealing with the weather and health issues has enough of its own burdens to endure thru.

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    Then why is the "warship" there? What is it carrying? Or what does it plan on carrying back?
    Easy, simple questions. If they aren't hiding anything, they should be able to fess up, without balking for time on letting inspectors inspect the ship from top to bottom and all points in between.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    So I assume the US Navy will let Iran inspect its ships as well?
    ugh! *sigh*
    Really now.. what is so difficult with Iran being honest? The world sees pictures of a ship on the water, it doesn't know what is inside the boat. Probably doesn't care, for the most part either.. as long as the ship isn't in *their* port, lest the gawkers come out in droves to look. The situation would go under the authorities of the UN, not the USA gov't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena View Post
    I do not know, maybe you should go to Iran and ask the military leaders and the leader of Iran?

    Like I said, a stealth mission means that only select few know. But when the world knows and many countries are watching that warship, its not very stealthy now is it?
    As for a inspection, who the hell are we to be inspecting some other countries warship? We are nobody, we have no right to demand we inspect every warship or ship of another country just cause they may or may not have hostile intentions.

    No wonder the whole world calls the USA the world police.
    IF *anyone* is NOT guilty of being up to no good or doing anything wrong, they shouldn't feel threatened if being required to submit to inspections. Homeowners have to submit to various inspections as much as businesses. So what is the big deal? privacy?

    Freedoms become lost because of the few who ruined it for the rest of the people who did try to live within compliance (of already established enforced laws). So for the sake of the *few* miserable culprits, the *many* have to suffer?


    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena
    Like I said, a stealth mission means that only select few know. But when the world knows and many countries are watching that warship, its not very stealthy now is it?
    And exactly what does the rest of the world know? Not much from what I've read. A warship in the Mediterranean. Big deal.. go back to sleep folks, nothing visible there...
    ... ...

    Does one require a cloaking device to work on a secretive stealth mission, or simply keep their (mouth) trap shut..?
    The day Julius Ceasar was murdered, his own so-called friends operated in stealth mode until they did their deed against him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Pena
    As for a inspection, who the hell are we to be inspecting some other countries warship? We are nobody, we have no right to demand we inspect every warship or ship of another country just cause they may or may not have hostile intentions.

    No wonder the whole world calls the USA the world police.
    Again, why does the USA have to get targeted as the culprit to everything that happens elsewhere in the world? Because we're such gullible scapegoats? Why can't the world become responsible for its own actions, instead of blameshifting to someone else all (or most) of the time?
    Native Americans might be living within the USA land mass, but they aren't responsible for what happens in the rest of the world. Yet, they are being tossed into that same soup mix regardless, just because they live within the boundary lines known as "USA" soil.
    Besides, thought everything bad happening was all supposed to be declared under "it's Bush's fault!"


    If the world stopped fighting, harming each other, and etc., would they NEED to have someone ELSE *police* them?
    Would the UN *have* to step in on the battle scars left over, because of the certain few who can't control themselves? The world has brought itself to this point. Not just whatever roles "the USA" had and may have caused in the process. The rest of the world needs to step up and take responsibility too for its own actions and inactions.

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    And no one is saying to forget it all happened and what not, but to use that single event and whatever small events to take away our freedoms.

    And yes there is a conspiracy for part of 9-11, 2.1trillion dollars was missing and the only place of record was in the exact area the pentagon was hit. Minutes after the "plane" hit, FBI agents took all video footage in over 70 cameras that are around the pentagon. Then only a few frames is released to the public that span a few minutes. Or how people who worked in the area said it sounded like a bomb or how people who went out the hole said they never saw any plane wreakage.

    That is true about how they change and stay the same, but we also know whats more going on in the world is due to technology in communications. The world is not ending, the parts of the bible that people are talking about is not coming true everytime something happens.

    It been going on all the time, we now just have better communication in the world. Sure its sad to hear about a city being hit by a earthquake or a flashflood or whatever natural disaster, but these things have always been happening, we just didnt know about them due to lack of good communication tech.

    Will the things in the bible come true, yes they will. But no one will know for sure till its very close. But that doesnt mean cause something looks like its going to happen means it will.

    As for Global warming, Yes it is happening. But it is not due to man kind like people claim it is. It is the natural way it has been. In the last 200 to 300 years, man has not made so much of a big problem to cause global warming or to cause it to accelerate the process to such a degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    IF *anyone* is NOT guilty of being up to no good or doing anything wrong, they shouldn't feel threatened if being required to submit to inspections. Homeowners have to submit to various inspections as much as businesses. So what is the big deal? privacy?

    Freedoms become lost because of the few who ruined it for the rest of the people who did try to live within compliance (of already established enforced laws). So for the sake of the *few* miserable culprits, the *many* have to suffer?




    And exactly what does the rest of the world know? Not much from what I've read. A warship in the Mediterranean. Big deal.. go back to sleep folks, nothing visible there...
    ... ...

    Does one require a cloaking device to work on a secretive stealth mission, or simply keep their (mouth) trap shut..?
    The day Julius Ceasar was murdered, his own so-called friends operated in stealth mode until they did their deed against him.




    Again, why does the USA have to get targeted as the culprit to everything that happens elsewhere in the world? Because we're such gullible scapegoats? Why can't the world become responsible for its own actions, instead of blameshifting to someone else all (or most) of the time?
    Native Americans might be living within the USA land mass, but they aren't responsible for what happens in the rest of the world. Yet, they are being tossed into that same soup mix regardless, just because they live within the boundary lines known as "USA" soil.
    Besides, thought everything bad happening was all supposed to be declared under "it's Bush's fault!"


    If the world stopped fighting, harming each other, and etc., would they NEED to have someone ELSE *police* them?
    Would the UN *have* to step in on the battle scars left over, because of the certain few who can't control themselves? The world has brought itself to this point. Not just whatever roles "the USA" had and may have caused in the process. The rest of the world needs to step up and take responsibility too for its own actions and inactions.
    You are comparing 2 different things. You want a inspection of the ship, go do it yourself. They dont answer to the US or the UN. Like Gen. Carter said in stargate. You cant slap a USAF sticker and call it yours. Demanding a inspection cause they are not like us and dont share our view/beliefs and are considered hostile to us.

    Look at Iraq, we demanded inspections and inspections and look where it has gotten us. Thousands of American troops dead, many wounded, many tramatized, many without arms and legs. All cause someone demanded inspections and more inspections and didnt like the results.

    You told me a story, now let me tell you a short one.

    I was/am in the US Army. I went to Iraq for 1 year deployment. Nothing bad happened to me or my unit. While deployed over the course of that year the FOB I was at was motored quite a bit. At one point it was every other day for 2 weeks, i was always close by where they were targeting.....at least close enough to feel the shock wave sometimes.

    Now as a result from that, I get jumpy and my heart rate jumps quite a bit when I hear fireworks, cause it reminds me the motor attacks. Last year, i couldnt even go out with my parents to a place where they do fireworks.
    For me, this is not much to worry about as opposed to the people to have gotten much much much worse than I.


    Ah, now you comparing something different, hiding a knife/dagger in your clothes it very different to a warship. The everyday person will go back to sleep, but the people who are actually watching the warship is watching it. Seeing where it goes, whats what where they are heading and what not. Theres only so many places it can go.

    We are not scapegoats, but when the US starts sticking its fingers and nose where it shouldnt be, the people call us the world police and what not.

    The reason people call the US the world police is cause of your last paragraph. We dont NEED to police anyone.

    Who cares if they are fighting and what not. It is not harming the US, they are not attacking the US, they are not focused on the US. The minute we do step in then everyone has there eyes on us, they are focused on the US, people will attack the US, thus harming the US.

    All cause the US wants to be like Barny and we all sing the Barny song.

    We are just making things worse and making us look good, but also bad at the same time.

    Certain areas of the world have been fighting for thousands of years, nothing the US does or tries to do will make it stop. Thats whats everyone's problem with the US, we are trying to put a bandaide on something that doesnt need a bandaide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    ugh! *sigh*
    Really now.. what is so difficult with Iran being honest? The world sees pictures of a ship on the water, it doesn't know what is inside the boat. Probably doesn't care, for the most part either.. as long as the ship isn't in *their* port, lest the gawkers come out in droves to look. The situation would go under the authorities of the UN, not the USA gov't.



    IF *anyone* is NOT guilty of being up to no good or doing anything wrong, they shouldn't feel threatened if being required to submit to inspections. Homeowners have to submit to various inspections as much as businesses. So what is the big deal? privacy?
    You go get a legally binding UN resolution demanding Iran submit its ships for inspection, and I'll agree with Iranian ships being searched, but until then, or until they committ hostile acts against another nation, they have every right to have their warships in international waters wherever they want. Just like the US Navy has that right. You can't just demand that Iran submit to having its ships searched because there might be something odd about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    You go get a legally binding UN resolution demanding Iran submit its ships for inspection, and I'll agree with Iranian ships being searched, but until then, or until they committ hostile acts against another nation, they have every right to have their warships in international waters wherever they want. Just like the US Navy has that right. You can't just demand that Iran submit to having its ships searched because there might be something odd about them.
    Freedom of Navigation is the legal basis the US uses for naval entry anywhere and everywhere. The UN resolution route was tried with North Korean vessels, and the practice was quietly shelved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    Subjects for possible tracking Earth's future prophecies and discussions thereof --
    (and btw, it's not all gloom and doom.. There are plenty of positive events and things to discuss -- the question is whether or not humans will achieve those goals.)
    ...
    * natural disasters -- flooding, earthquakes, droughts, megastorms, etc.
    ---- plagues, famines
    ---- health issues (existing progress or lack of progress in medical advances for various diseases & super-viruses)

    * solutions suggested or made pro/con against global warming, pollution, & reforestation
    ...
    Drought.
    Nothing new except this is 2012, and between concerns about 2012 being the "end of the age" (time era), global warming / "climate changing" panic attacks, fires breaking out because of nature or being deliberately set by sheer viciousness or careless behavior, and the reality of water consumption by an ever increasing world population -- apparently, the news is reaching world-wide catastrophic / critical (Biblical proportion) levels. But what is being done about the depleting fresh water supplies? Nothing.. at least, not at the moment.

    Seems like a "Wait til doomsday (mentality), and then scream that nothing was ever done to prevent doomsday!"


    Over the past several months, there have been numerous (now by the hundreds or maybe thousands) of articles about drought increasing across the USA and elsewhere on earth. Last year, China, India and a few other places had drought issues. Last year -- on a mega scale, it was Australia under floods, droughts, famines and fires; this year, it's the USA. Australia seems to always go thru that sort of cycle annually, but not the USA.

    Most of the USA's problems stem from precious aquafers being used up for various reasons, partly from seasonal issues with the way the geological systems exist in the first place and react with the weather, and other reasons due to massive fire breakouts. When the fires are caused by humans, such things can be prevented, or at least stopped at the onset!

    But lately in the news for the past several years, that has not been the case. Some fires are reported as suspected as being deliberately set (sabotage or vandalism); and often during windier weather days, which cause the fires to go so totally out of control at such speeds that millions and millions of acreage and forestry ends up being destroyed. Doesn't help that pesty bugs have been munching on certain trees (forestry) and starting the deadwood processes to begin with!

    Weird thing about the underground aquafers drying up, is that so much news has been invested in alarming the world about GLOBAL WARMING or "climate change" (whichever the reader prefers), and the oceans suddenly rising, but hey, there are entire continents drying up in the middle underground.

    Florida (USA) folks know about when the waters vanish underground, (huge) sinkholes appear because the earth's ceiling collapses from not having any support holding it up. Sinkholes are a continuous cycle for Floridians, be it too much water or not enough. Entire lakes have vanished as if someone pulled the plug from sinkhole phenomena.


    Anyway, several articles on precious water supplies around the world are now beginning to focus on
    "hey- the (fresh!) water is drying up -- what is the world going to do about this???!"


    Some people are looking for hope on Mars, but until folks get there, our over-populated earth needs to tend to its own resources in the here and NOW..
    Recent articles on current, unsustainable groundwater use ~ noted within spoiler box.

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    "World over-using underground water reserves for agriculture"
    By Chris Wickham
    LONDON, Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:50pm EDT
    http : // www .reuters. com/article/2012/08/10/us-science-environment-water-idUSBRE87713B20120810

    {quote}"(Reuters) - The world is depleting underground water reserves faster than they can be replenished due to over-exploitation, according to scientists in Canada and the Netherlands..."
    {end of quote}
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    "State agriculture summit aims to increase awareness of irrigation"
    By Budd McLaughlin, The Huntsville Times
    Published: Friday, August 10, 2012, 8:51 AM; Updated: Friday, August 10, 2012, 9:17 AM
    http : // blog .al. com/huntsville-times-business/2012/08/state_agriculture_summit_aims.html

    {quote}HUNTSVILLE, Alabama -- The comparison is disheartening.

    Mississippi has more than 1 million acres of cropland under irrigation.

    Georgia has more than 1 million acres of cropland under irrigation.

    Alabama has 120,000 acres of cropland under irrigation.

    Not 1.2 million acres.

    120,000 acres.

    Agriculture and water-use officials say there is no reason this state can't do the same. Alabama has 19 major aquifer systems and 14 major rivers.

    "When you see all the water that runs through Alabama - rivers, lakes, creeks - you wonder why we don't do anything with it," said Charlie Burmester, an agronomist with the Tennessee Valley Research and Extension Center...

    ...The Alabama Irrigation Summit will be 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Aug. 15...

    {end of quote}

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    "Demand for water outstrips supply --
    Groundwater use is unsustainable in many of the world's major agricultural zones.
    "

    by Amanda Mascarelli, 08 August 2012
    Nature, News
    http : // www .nature. com/news/demand-for-water-outstrips-supply-1.11143

    {quote}"Almost one-quarter of the world's population lives in regions where groundwater is being used up faster than it can be replenished, concludes a comprehensive global analysis of groundwater depletion, published this week in Nature(1).
    ...
    "This overuse can lead to decreased groundwater availability for both drinking water and growing food," says Tom Gleeson, a hydrogeologist at McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, and lead author of the study. Eventually, he adds, it "can lead to dried up streams and ecological impacts".
    ...
    But Gleeson adds that there is at least one significant source of hope. As much as 99% of the fresh, unfrozen water on the planet is groundwater. "It’s this huge reservoir that we have the potential to manage sustainably," he says. "If we choose to."

    {end of quote}
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    Observer's comment-- then don't complain about the oceans rising!

    California (USA) could invest more in ocean water desalination plants, but (to public knowledge) they haven't YET. Desalination plants *might* cut down on some inches of the feared rising ocean waters, too, btw..
    But then, scientists will still need to watch any increases of salt content in denser ocean levels, as well as decreased salt content of rising ocean waters. *sigh*

    Also, when certain regions reach sustained 90 and 100 degree (F) + temps for days/weeks on end (no relief end in sight), of course the crops are going to dry up and wither! Plants with shallow roots in dried up surface soils are going to wither up! Pansies and most other plants requiring lots of water moisture (and cool relief) in the soil tend to die off around 85 degrees F.
    People haven't figured this out yet?


    Solutions -- try scattering into as many localities as possible (world-wide) vertical farming for smaller crops inside (by) converting empty warehouses and empty business buildings into farmlands --yes, it's expensive to start with, but is a good start, especially helpful for flood/famine stricken zones. In hydroponic gardening, water can be recycled internally and better controlled. Crops are more protected from the weather, on a YEAR-round basis, too. Less pesticide use, too, so the "GMO" factor should NOT be a problem, when such greenery is diligently cared for. GMO's have been in the news for destroying a crop's tasty flavors, plus possibly causing serious illness and possible death in some situations to anyone digesting such foods.

    And this drought situation isn't limited to just farmland veggie and fruit foods. Cattle raised for meat-eaters, eat the grasslands and whatever their owners provide to them from the vegetarian world as supplements. Reports of cattle being sent to slaughter sooner (than later) this year -- are in the news, because the droughts are so horrible, there isn't enough food to fatten up the cattle or keep them fed, so the cattle are going to slaughter sooner than later as a result.

    Naturally, the entire ecosystem is being affected from underground up. Food prices are expected to be sky high within the next 18 months, because of the severe droughts hitting the USA.. as if the USA is the sole world-winner bread-basket? It's not. The technology now exists to do vertical farming, hydroponics and aquaponics (that includes recycled water systems with fish and aerating systems to keep the fish alive and healthy, too). Besides, the moon and mars just might not have enough water on them to feed millions of future earth colonies, so learn and apply the basics NOW, before it gets too late!


    Back on earth -- GMO alterations of growing crops in drought stricken areas has been experimented with as a possible solution, but in the long term does not seem to be the world's food basket solution. I've read stories about BT being used as a natural pesticide against bugs destroying crops, because it makes the digestive system of the larvae (bugs) explode.. imagine what that does to animals and humans when so much percentage of BT is digested! Stomach issues?? tummy hurts? Before such info was posted into the news that BT is harmless to humans and animals, such thoughts do cross one's curious mind.
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    "Wars and Rumors of Wars" and "Drought stricken waters" --Update

    Psalm 83 along with Ezekiel 38-39 of the Hebrew Bible. I do not understand these passages, nor pretend to understand, except by the few folks interpreting it, Iran and Israel are major players in it. Russia (Gog) is in there somewhere too. These prophecies are important and critical to the future of Israel's survival.

    In the areas of actual rumors--sidetrip--there's rumblings of potential war possibly beginning between China and Japan. Maybe that'll be the world theatre #2. If true, it may very well be China's military that ends up being the mysterious 200 million man army of Revelation 9:16-17, who's attention somehow turns westward to the Middle East. China already has contracts with Iran, so...

    However, in the main ring, theatre #1--
    it's no secret that Iran has been stirring up the world stage for especially wiping out both the USA and Jewish Israel, whether or not anyone not Jewish is living in the region. But when one or both drag the USA into the blame game of who's at fault for what, it becomes even more disturbing when reading for the past five months of off/on bad news since May 2012 in various news sources (yahoo! AP, most more popular Israeli news sites, along with a few middle eastern ones writing in English)-- that
    our USA may end up either pulled into a major WAR before November 2012, as an October (2012) surprise, or even possibly at the end of the Jewish high holy days (that's within next 2 weeks!). This sounds like WWII propaganda all over again. It'd be nice to think it's just all hogwash and political rhetoric that will actually go nowhere, but playing with people's minds this way is just draining. No wonder why people need to over-medicate themselves with tranquilizers!



    Regardless of who is instigating these situations--- the media or anyone in radio/Tv tracking ---
    Unfortunately, one of these days, the stirred up frenzy is going to cause one of those (countries or TPTB) in control to lose their temper and push the magic "game over" button. Is the world that bloodthirsty? Maybe the media folks hungering for the top horror story should get shipped off to some remote planet along with the warmongering folks to duke it out with each other, and then they can all play survival of the fittest for real.


    This world is escalating out of control. Different time era, same old war news. Just because the *feared end* (of the Mayan Calendar) December 21, 2012 as is around the corner, doesn't mean the ones thirsting for war have to MAKE it happen, as an actual END of the world scenario! duuuuuuah!


    Now, the latest is Iran's desire to send their NAVY down to Antarctica.. The RT news (internet) site listed this quest as expanding down to the South Pole, in international waters.

    articles--
    Yahoo/AP has cranky reading rules, so here is the RT (Russian Times??) articles (in spoiler quotes)--

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    "Iran Navy announces plans to expand to South Pole"
    Published: 22 September, 2012, 13:59
    http : // rt. com/news/iran-navy-south-pole-717/


    Possibly a more important article is this one--
    "Iran plans to deploy warships off US coast"
    Published: 04 September, 2012, 19:15
    http : // rt. com/news/iran-navy-usa-gulf-352/

    {quote}"Iran says it will counter US presence in its waters by sending ships to the international waters off the US coast, says Iranian Navy chief Admiral Sayyari.

    No specifics were mentioned, but during an interview broadcast on state TV, Sayyari said the plans were aimed for 'the next few years.'

    In the past two years Iran has broadened the range of its navy, sending ships to the Mediterranean Sea and the Indian Ocean.

    Sayyari did not deny that the proposed measure was a response to the increase in the number of US vessels in the Strait of Hormuz, a key oil passageway off the coast of Iran, which Tehran previously threatened to shut off..."
    {end of partial quote}


    Obviously, the price of oil will go higher. Higher cost to heat homes, transport to & from work, transport to anywhere. Because the economy is suffering, salaries won't be increasing, but everything from food to fabrics and other consumer goods will be on the price increase. Global drought has only added more stress against the cost of living, in general, including alternative fuels and energy resources.

    There is no easy way to explain this next bit--
    The current USA gov't admin decisively refused to open up with our Canadian connections, because our gov't is claiming the USA needs to show support to the Middle East, etc., while certain groups within those same countries threaten to kill, mame, destroy, injure, harass, etc. anyone caught in the middle, and especially if that person is a native born US-American.

    When push comes to shove getting other folks to comprehend the world scenario, it's frighteningly disturbing.
    In discussions with some folks, they (apathetically) react with "Oh well, we'll just go back to living like the dark ages.." (do these folks REALIZE the implications of what they just said?)

    Spoiler:
    If that's the case, and (generic) you can generate your own electricity (good for generic you, bad for the rest of us)--even after your own gas tank supplies run out, fine, but where are you going to get your medications when the pills run out? If our nation gets hit to the point of being paralyzed, manufacturing companies won't be operating, neither will the local pharmacies or any grocery stores for that matter -- IF we even survive the news few months without being blasted into oblivion. Currently, many Insurance companies already only permit a 30 day supply of meds per refill unit. Some go up to 90 days, but not much more. After that, you're screwed. People with special refrigerated medications and limited supplies will be the first to suffer the most, if the power grid(s) go down. Say if you're down to your last week's worth of meds (cholesterol, heart, kidney, sinus, "midlife" related issues that simple herbs alone cannot help with), and only then were given time to renew the medication, which normally takes 2 to 3 weeks average to process; but oh wait!-- war (and its consequences) breaks out before your new supply comes to your door, oh well, you're screwed.

    At least if/when in isolated situations someone loses their job or home from tornado, fire, or flood, they can usually compensate by filing for assistance to get help, but damages from war (zones/regions) is more widespread and permanent. Help received will be considered a miracle if it even reaches the person desperately needing it.


    ..got to make this a 2-parter.. *sigh*

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    Have people who are going wonky for the Mayan apoc truly aware that the mayans didn't have Leap year in their calander so technically The Apoc came a couple of years ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    * natural disasters -- flooding, earthquakes, droughts, megastorms, etc.
    ---- plagues, famines
    ---- health issues (existing progress or lack of progress in medical advances for various diseases & super-viruses)
    ---- "Drought stricken waters" ----

    The 2011-2012 drought situation hasn't helped either. When water levels reach a certain lower capacity, the concentrations of whatever was in the bottom of the soot pile tends to stir up into the mix and make the lower water levels more unsanitary and germy than they were at 100% capacity. When monsoon rains hit, all the goo at the bottom gets stirred up to the top surface, making it impossible to see anything.. and people use this water to drink from?? gahhhhhd.

    --- Do people stocking up on food storage for general emergencies, also know if the water is not there (due to extremely limited quantities) or is seriously contaminated, what good is the food? Cook pre-packaged noodle meals with muddy water?? Don't think so.. Most folks are not educated in purifying toxic water systems to make them drinkable again. We've relied too much on others to do that task for us, so the knowledge is distant, at best.
    --- Filtering water with (modern) technology is a wonderful marvel, but try cleaning wounds and laundry with that same dirty water on a more massive scale with little or no filtration system. Time involved just won't be there, and the end result merely promotes more disease than cures it.

    oh, and BTW, more than just the Chinese Yangtze River has turned reddish.
    Delaware River (by the Gap and southward) was still muddy red over this recent weekend (and I KNOW that wasn't photoshopped, because we drove right past it--2 days in a row!) It's being blamed on the moonsoon-like storm that hit the region earlier in the week. Can't be healthy for all of the marine life in that water..! I've seen the water table at the D.R.Gap lower than that, and it's never been that ugly color! Couldn't see anything below the top surface--not even one square inch, it was so thick.

    See articles in spoiler quotes---
    Spoiler:
    (NOTE: links are broken below, mostly due to continuous archiving or recycling nature of certain sites, etc.
    Please remove B L A N K spaces in beginning of web address to access article/link for complete details)
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    "A Red Tide Epidemic?"
    (NYTimes-dot-com) By EMMA BRYCE
    September 13, 2012, 12:58 pm
    http : // green. blogs. nytimes. com/2012/09/13/a-red-tide-epidemic/

    {quote}"At first some scientists suspected that an algal bloom might have caused the Yangtze River to change color, but researchers now suggest that a heavy clay deposit or industrial dye was responsible. Yet algal blooms do seem to have caused this reddening phenomenon in several other places this year. Here's a brief sampling...

    Researchers know that algal blooms have been sprouting for millenniums. Yet tracking an uptick in occurrences is difficult because no one has been sampling blooms globally for long enough, he said.

    The warming of the seas as a result of climate change and a trend of increased salinity could be shaping blooming episodes, but for the time being the phenomenon can easily be attributed to more direct factors, Dr. Juhl said.

    Fertilizer in agricultural runoff and sewage create nutrient-rich environments where algae can thrive, for example, he said, and ballast water from traveling ships takes algae on far-flung voyages, helping it to spread...

    {end of partial quote}

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    "Why has the Yangtze River turned red?"
    11 Sep 2012, 17:06 BST
    Posted by Mark Peplow, Category: Earth, environment & ecology
    Posted on behalf of Michele Catanzaro.
    http : // blogs .nature. com/news/2012/09/why-has-the-yangtze-river-turned-red.html

    {quote}"...The cause of the colouring is still unclear. 'One possible cause of the colouration may be suspended sediments, following heavy rains upstream', says Hans Paerl, a marine and environmental scientist at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. 'This is common in large river systems such as the Yangtze, and southern China has had large rainfall events this summer,' he says.

    Indeed, on 7 September the Chongqing Environmental Protection Agency noted on its website that a water-quality monitoring centre on the Yangtze had detected very high concentrations of silt in the river. The agency says that torrential rain in the upper Sichuan province caused huge amounts of silt to wash into the Yangtze. It also says that the water does not contain hazardous or noxious substances..."

    {end of partial quote}


    ahhh, so global warming is to blame for red tide (brown/red algae blooms), as well as other environmental factors.
    Revelation 11 and 16 records a time era of searing heat that will be so severe, that more than just the rivers will turn bloody reddish.. the seas will do so as well, and marine life will also perish in the process.

    Ice melt panics have already begun (2012).. phase 1.
    Meantime, the inner continental aquafers are drying up, as well, with little relief for refills. Yep, TPTB folks are still scratching their heads over how to fix all that, while spreading horrifying scenarios about the ocean waters rising and drowning the coastlines...


    These things may be cyclic, and that just makes the cycle that occurs during the prophecized time of Rev. 11 and 16 just an amazing coincidence of (BAD) timing, when occurring in concert with everything else that'll be bad for all life on earth----not just the people, but the wildlife, too.

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    I'd be careful to trust anything that RT (Russian Today) has to say, since it's the official government external broadcaster.

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    I'd be careful to trust anything that RT (Russian Today) has to say, since it's the official government external broadcaster.
    My criticism of RT is that it tends to be an adherent of conspiracy theories.
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    Doomsday storms... really, normal storms hitting the regional area, just picked different towns/cities this year..

    Right now, it's blizzard snow conditions in southern Virginia with tons of rain from a major noreaster running all the way north into Michigan -- affecting the edge of Detroit where the "world series" Baseball game is progressing as I write this.

    And a few hundred miles eastward is the tropical storm SANDY hitting the entire east coast USA (was in SC), currently from North Carolina all the way up into Canada. There's also a huge snowstorm system somewhere up there in Canada, too.

    Stores in western NJ (western side of NJ!!) were sold out of water on Friday. Nada. Nuthin. No gallon jugs, no 2.5 or 5 gallon jugs, and not even the individual bottled water cases were on the shelves for folks doing their usual shopping Saturday or Sunday. Good thing water wasn't what I needed Friday. I just went in because I was nearby and thought I might pick up some extra salad dressing. Plenty of flavored water drinks. But no water anywhere. Took a walk down the water aisle and even the Cola soda bottles were all gone! None to be found, until Monday/Tuesday AFTER the storm dumps itself everywhere.. then it will be "water water everywhere and not a drop (pure enough) to drink!"

    Oh, and no generators by Thursday either. All stores all sold out in most of the tri-state region (PA, NJ, NY).

    Last year, lots of homes had a Halloween storm that knocked out power for up to 2 weeks in some spots. So, what is the point in loading up the fridge and freezer, when there is nothing to run it with?
    People need water. Non-perishable foods too. Everything else will spoil in the fridge/freezer zone, especially if the temps warm up.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Flyattractor View Post
    Have people who are going wonky for the Mayan apoc truly aware that the mayans didn't have Leap year in their calander so technically The Apoc came a couple of years ago?
    I've heard that theory, but we'll probably never know for sure what the true dates are with so many variables in the way.

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