Last edited by GateWorld; October 14th, 2011 at 11:24 AM.
I gotta say, i did call the helen reveal. 30 seconds before it happened, but I did call it
'what's it take to get a cup of tea around here?'
and abby was actually tolerable, tolerable enough that the whole 'who all did you date' wasn't that annoying
I think my biggest issue, beyond garris' stiff acting, was just the frustration of the pig headed military mindset
ah, and kate's storyline
she goes to hollow earth.
and we get some nice new images of the sanctuary
and i was wrong, she did tell him. cool
that was a great episode. though i'm sad to see kate written out (even if its a cool storyline). abby was okay in this episode, but was annoying in her first scene where will talks about hollow earth.
i too called helen's return . i love her line about the tea, just so her. and that she did tell will that she's been missing for 113 years. actually that whole scene was great.
and i love the part with henry and will, where henry says hes better and will says because hes a werewolf.
overall great episode!
I agree with you on that Skydiver, I also called Helen's reveal about the same time
Despite the fact that I missed about 15 minutes of the ep, it was better than I thought it was going to be.
Kate being sent to Hollow Earth made me understand why she wasn't in the credits and just a recurring character. I hope we get to see where that takes her.
And I also agree with you Skydiver on Abby. I didn't have to mute her scenes, which is a plus since I spent most of One Night with it muted.
All in all this was a great ep, so can't wait for next week!
Icon and Sig by me.
Is it sad that I was much more focused on camera movements and the setup of scenes than I was in the actual story for this one? I guess that's what happens when Amanda is behind the screen more than she is in front of it. My mind wanders to other things.
I was so bummed that Helen told Will of her 113 year absence. A girl has to have her secrets, you know.
I'm definitely going to miss any decent screen time for Kate. I know she comes back a little bit, but it just won't be the same.
Abby was actually more tolerable here. Now if I could only tolerate Will as much as I've learned to tolerate Abby. Guess I'll have to work on that.
I loved seeing Harry Maybourne, er I mean Tom McBeath again here too.
I just "liked" the episode. It tied up the whole Hollow Earth invasion thing. But Sanctuary isn't Sancutary without Magnus. I knew she wasn't gonna be present (until the end most likely) because AT was directing but the show seems empty and dragging w/o her character. Glad Magnus is back..."it's good to be home".
Now we got the whole military group abnormal headhunters and the the guy evalulating the sanctuary storylines but I hope there are some flashback episodes of Magnus' 113 yr vacation, at least explaining where Magnus was during the destruction of Praxis and the invasion attempt from the abnormals.
I'm sorry to hear that Kate will be written out, as I really like her character. I hope she comes back from time to time though but agree it won't be the same. I really enjoy her character's interactions with Biggie and Henry and the growth of the character over her time on the show. Meanwhile, I'm really hoping that her spot won't be taken by Abby as I'm not a big fan of that character.
I didn't enjoy this ep as much ... maybe it was the combination of lack of Helen time which meant more of Will time plus what seemed like really poor acting on the part of the abnormals in the camp.
Glad Helen is back, and I have a feeling we may get teasers of what she's done over the past 113 years, but I doubt it'll be a full reveal at any time soon!
I found Abby totally palatable, which was a definite bonus
Is it just me, or did Henry seem a lot smaller during his transformations? Or was it just because he didn't fully change? Hmmmm....
Glad to hear the explanation of what's happening with Kate's storyline (as opposed to her just disappearing for no apparent reason) ... I do hope we get to see what's going on down there as the season progresses!
Did it bother anyone else that Helen just hung out (one might say 'hiding') monitoring the situation and apparently biding her time until she was finally discovered? Not to mention the timing on Henry noticing the feedback on his hack ... coincidence, or Helen had decided it was time to reveal herself, but on her own terms? Why the heck did she wait 'til that moment instead of stepping in earlier? Was it because she wanted the time to concentrate on evaluating the situation without being distracted by the politics? Hmmm...
What happened? We ended this storyline of Into the Black with Will and Henry being all "they`re invading us! We`re at war!" and suddenly they`re determined to protect them at all costs! I won`t go as far as to say I was agreeing with Villanova, but the writing seemed very inconsistent between the seasons.
UGH ABBY. STFU. Magnus is presumed dead and global xenocide and anarchy are a real threat and she thinks it appropriate to talk about her exes and her office and go "HOLLOW EARTH?????LIKE HOLLOW EARTH????
So it looks like Damian et al have just dropped the location ambiguity and pretty much set Old City in the US. I guess it`s impossible to have a Canadian-set show broadcast internationally.
"What does it take to get a decent cup of coffee around here?" I wonder how many years it took Helen to come up with that line? So Magnus is just gonna tell Will everything? That`s the one thing none of us saw coming.
Guess I was right about Kate going with Garis. I`m kind of disappointed that they`re semi-sloving everything by having the go back to Hollow Earth. It could`ve been really interesting to see them trying to adapt to the surface.
I liked this episode. I thought I'd hate the second half, when atrocious Abby came into the picture, but she was actually a bit less repulsive. I could definitely still live without her though.
Not sure I like Kate just randomly running off to Hollow Earth. I'm gonna miss her .
Did anyone else notice something... Different about Biggie? I don't know why, but he just seemed a little different.
Oh my goodness, that creature thing that was arguing with Garris was down right creepy!!!
I too was surprised that Helen told Will that she'd been gone for 113 years. I can only imagine how much he's gonna pester her for more information now...
So, what exactly was controlling the abnormals?
BEAUTIFUL new shots of the Sanctuary! LOVE it!
I love Henry. Just sayin'.
Last edited by Dixie_Vampiress; October 14th, 2011 at 07:40 PM.
Kate didn't run off as much as she followed orders. She says as much, that she's following Magnus orders
As to Magnus waiting, I think she was staying back to allow Will to handle things. She likely needed to know that he could handle stuff if she died or the such and she was letting him do it. And had Henry not found the signal she may have remained hidden until it was all over.
Ok, haven't read other comments yet. Just want to say, before I forget:
1. OMG!!! for Will and Abby acting like grownups and throwing some political weight around. I had no idea they had it in them (though Magnus must, she does keep Will).
2. Sounds like Abby has Mulder's old office. (Hope she's not screwing up any X-files!) She seem to also have his skill for hacking into parts of the bureau's system she shouldn't be in. If she continues to be useful - or becomes Mulder-esque - I may learn to tolerate her.
3. Sooooo good to hear Biggie's rumbley voice again.
4. LOVE that Leon Panetta (Secretary of Defense) would take Helen's call but not Will's. He hasn't even been in office that long! LOL
5. Magnus looked so happy to be back! I'd say glowing, even. I knew it was her the minute Henry started talking about a piggyback (that Will wouldn't know how to do, no offense) I KNEW Mama Magnus was back in town.
So, what's it take to get a decent cup of tea around here?
Love that once Magnus is the one on the video call, Dr. Lee drops everything to listen. The woman makes an impression!
Last edited by Feast of the Muse; October 14th, 2011 at 08:52 PM.
Though I havent seen the ep yet, I'm not too happy about the departure of Kate. I hope it's only temporary. I love Kate.
"Live Peace - Speak Kindness - Dwell in Possibility"
Hug Your Loved Ones!!
Thing's I've enjoyed thus far:
Kate to Garis: "Looks like someone grew some"
Will to Henry: "Have fun storming the castle"
"Live Peace - Speak Kindness - Dwell in Possibility"
Hug Your Loved Ones!!
Amanda sure does love her crane shots.
"Live Peace - Speak Kindness - Dwell in Possibility"
Hug Your Loved Ones!!
Is Agam Darshi pregnant? That's the only reason I can think of that it'd be okay for her to be written into Hollow Earth... Unless she had another project she was working on or something while S4 was being filmed???
Anywho... Good ep. Not great, but then again, how did they expect this one to measure up to Tempus, I dunno.
I gotta say, the Helen-reveal was not so great as I imagined (I guess I'll be doing an episode rewrite/tag fanfic soon *sigh*), because after something like 113 years, being so freaking nonchalant about being home seems like such a major copout. With tensions running high, emotions all over the place, and the fate of the world on her shoulders STILL, I think she (and by she, I mean *WE*) deserve a little bit of a heavier reveal than "what does it take to get a decent cup of tea around here?".
Now, at the time, when I was watching it, I was thinking, oh, she's not going to tell Will what happened, that she needed to play it casual because she's going to pretend she's only been gone for hours, but then she just came right out and said it, and I felt so horribly CHEATED. There's no tender moment, no sign of relief other than a brief "so good to be home" that was cheapened by Abby being there...
Not to say that I didn't like Abby this time around. I *loved* Abby in this episode. She came in as the vehicle for reaffirming the layman's view of "oh my god! Hollow Earth?!", reminding us that the rest of the world is going to be going crazy when they find out about Abnormals, and thereby setting up the ENTIRE SEASON.
And she didn't take any crap from Will about her male friends, which I found incredibly refreshing, and that shtick wasn't even played to death (which I was so glad to see). And then at the very end of the episode where she's meeting Dr. Leigh from the UN and says "well, now you do", I was inexplicably proud of her! My exact thoughts were "Aww, our little Abby grew a spine!", and between that moment and the fact that she had deviated from her private-school uniform of a dark pantsuit over a pale blouse in favor of a crisper suit and a richer color blouse, I was thinking that she would indeed make a very good ace-in-the-hole for Will.
So, my desire to see Abby as a stronger force of character seems to be granted, which I hope isn't rescinded as the season continues.
Will also did a remarkable job, all things considered. He kept his head, even when he kept smashing it into brick walls when the government closed up its doors.
I noticed that he very quickly started making some of those hard decisions that he's criticized Magnus for in the past (I mean, he resorted to illegal hacking-- jeopardizing his girlfriend's career in the process, I might add-- in a matter of hours, and played dirty with the government as best he could to stall for time. Pretty ballsy, and easily regrettable once the danger is passed).
But plotwise, there are some questions that need to be resolved for me:
--Why did Magnus not reveal herself from the get-go? Why not open the doors that were automatically closed to Will when the world started going to heck in a handbasket?
--Why is no one at the Sanctuary getting pissed that the reciprocal agreements have been tossed aside so easily? The government tried to shut the Sanctuary out of Carentan, and then the Sanctuary was casually dismissed when the surface was being invaded, when at the very least the Sanctuary would know best how to kill the Abnormals if need be. Why isn't the Sanctuary calling out the government on the BS?
--Since when has the newbie UN Security Advisor become the stern disciplinarian teacher to the Sanctuary's naughty schoolchildren? "And then we're going to have a very long talk." WTF? Magnus now has 200+ years on this woman, and the good Doctor Hottie has the nerve to scold her? Nevermind the fact that the Sanctuary saved the day again, despite being kept out of the loop...
--How did the Sanctuary not know about the secret "Abnormal Final Solution" testing out of the Wyoming server farm? You'd think that Magnus would know better than to blindly trust ANY government by this point, so don't you think she'd have people looking for files like that? And if it's on a server that any old FBI agent can access, then it wouldn't have been too hard for Henry to find.
--And for the love of God, don't you think by now that these people would know better than to trust Colonel FREAKING Maybourne?! Oh, wait, I mean, General Villanova.... Though, I'm holding out hope for him yet. He's seems like he might have been a patsy, obeying orders he was given without fully seeing the whole picture. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a powerful ally in the future, when the government gets more devious and skeevy. He's an independent contractor, after all... Mercenaries switch sides all the time, right?
And that is my episode review for the week. Long-winded, but long story short, the show has some 'splaining to do... And I can't wait to see where they run with it!
P.S. And I recognized AT's style of filming... Long crane shots-- I love it! Ever since the Stargate episode she did... PheNOMenal! It's very few directors where I can watch a piece of their work and go "oh, yeah, this is so-and-so's". So a definite kudos for this one!
Last edited by selene0789; October 14th, 2011 at 09:07 PM. Reason: P.S. added
Agam has already stated categorically that she is NOT pregnant.
ETA: Just saw the midnight airing. Love Helen batting her eyelashes after the tea line.
Selene, why do you think she needed to make a bigger deal of being back? You could almost feel her just soaking it all in after telling Will and Abs good job. I mean, the woman was practically beaming at being back in her Sanctuary.
Also, remember that Dr. Lee has had some first-hand experience with Magnus and crew trying to slip one past her (Hangover), so she knows they are capable. She isn't just going to scold them - she needs to know more from them so she can make better decisions in a crisis. She just found out she got played BIG time. She's pissed.
You said something about why aren't they all pissed at all the agreements with the government being sliced. As to that, anger doesn't get anything done, and I'm tired of hearing Will complain anyway. When you run into a brick wall you don't just keep pounding, you look for another way. They found a back door - illegal or not - and still did their job. If they get busted later, so what? They did save the day and no one can argue that. I hope they can even use that as a bargaining chip later on.
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