Park's sight

[morbosfist]

Varro is just as human as a Earth-borne person. The only difference is what planet he was born on.

[Keeper]

Varro is just as human as a Earth-borne person. The only difference is what planet he was born on.

this may or may not in fact be totally accurate.

different show, but: in Andromeda, someone born on a heavy-gravity world was considered to be genetically altered from a 'pure' human. they were also typically able to cope with falling a little further than most other humans. in OldBSG's spin-off on earth, because they were used to heavier gravity than earth norm, the kids were able to jump a lot higher than any unaided earth-human.

there's precedent, too, in the SG franchise - the planet jack grows old on is hardly 'normal' humans. i realise that they were altered by food and some goa'uld, however: there's also the broca divide planet, with the aggression/regression disease, that may have been natural. in the tower (atlantis episode) we see a bloodline that has held the ATA gene for generations, while earth humans - to our knowledge - are only developing it now.



with varro, we know little more than he's a capable hunter and leader, as well as killer when needed. he's smart too. but we don't know what his world was like - and we should remember that freaks like Nirrti were testing humans and experimenting with them too. as the LA comes from former snake territories, we haven't the faintest idea what differences they may have gone through, naturally or otherwise.

[morbosfist]

different show, but: in Andromeda, someone born on a heavy-gravity world was considered to be genetically altered from a 'pure' human. they were also typically able to cope with falling a little further than most other humans. in OldBSG's spin-off on earth, because they were used to heavier gravity than earth norm, the kids were able to jump a lot higher than any unaided earth-human.

In Andromeda, which it's admittedly been a while since I've seen, I'd assume that such heavy-worlders had been on said world long enough to actually breed such traits into their progeny. Wouldn't happen on the spot.

there's precedent, too, in the SG franchise - the planet jack grows old on is hardly 'normal' humans. i realise that they were altered by food and some goa'uld, however: there's also the broca divide planet, with the aggression/regression disease, that may have been natural. in the tower (atlantis episode) we see a bloodline that has held the ATA gene for generations, while earth humans - to our knowledge - are only developing it now.

They were normal humans. Nanotech was futzing with their physiology. Same with "The Broca Divide" only substitute with disease. "The Tower" was merely selective breeding, and even then it was failing. By comparison, the Ancients who interbred with humanity (some had to) were more spread out and humanity wasn't exactly making an effort to keep those genes alive. They still possess it, but it's diluted.

with varro, we know little more than he's a capable hunter and leader, as well as killer when needed. he's smart too. but we don't know what his world was like - and we should remember that freaks like Nirrti were testing humans and experimenting with them too. as the LA comes from former snake territories, we haven't the faintest idea what differences they may have gone through, naturally or otherwise.

Naturally they can't be much better. Maybe a little smarter like Jonas benefited from, but certainly not more advanced unless Nirrti experimented on him.

[GoodSmeagol]

this may or may not in fact be totally accurate.

different show, but: in Andromeda, someone born on a heavy-gravity world was considered to be genetically altered from a 'pure' human. they were also typically able to cope with falling a little further than most other humans. in OldBSG's spin-off on earth, because they were used to heavier gravity than earth norm, the kids were able to jump a lot higher than any unaided earth-human.

there's precedent, too, in the SG franchise - the planet jack grows old on is hardly 'normal' humans. i realise that they were altered by food and some goa'uld, however: there's also the broca divide planet, with the aggression/regression disease, that may have been natural. in the tower (atlantis episode) we see a bloodline that has held the ATA gene for generations, while earth humans - to our knowledge - are only developing it now.



with varro, we know little more than he's a capable hunter and leader, as well as killer when needed. he's smart too. but we don't know what his world was like - and we should remember that freaks like Nirrti were testing humans and experimenting with them too. as the LA comes from former snake territories, we haven't the faintest idea what differences they may have gone through, naturally or otherwise.

Why explain all of that circumstantial evidence?
Season 6, there was this dude, uhmmm Jonas Quinn who starred in around 20 episodes. His ancestors were taken from earth at the same time as Varros, give or take. As told by Nirti, generations off Earth has changed his physiology more then he realized. He had some advanced memory, and learning abilities.
100% concrete proof that in the SG universe, the few thousand years is enough to evolve humans more so then our current knowledge of genetics allows in reality.

[Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble]

It would be good if she went blind permently but with only one episode left it doesn't really matter now.

[Keeper]

In Andromeda, which it's admittedly been a while since I've seen, I'd assume that such heavy-worlders had been on said world long enough to actually breed such traits into their progeny. Wouldn't happen on the spot.

They were normal humans. Nanotech was futzing with their physiology. Same with "The Broca Divide" only substitute with disease. "The Tower" was merely selective breeding, and even then it was failing. By comparison, the Ancients who interbred with humanity (some had to) were more spread out and humanity wasn't exactly making an effort to keep those genes alive. They still possess it, but it's diluted.

Naturally they can't be much better. Maybe a little smarter like Jonas benefited from, but certainly not more advanced unless Nirrti experimented on him.

yep, andromeda had to breed it in. but 2,000 years isn't a short time for people on such a world - afaik, a generation is roughly about 30 years, give or take, for humans atm. 66 generations are going to have to adapt to those conditions in 2000 years.

broca and the nanotech one, sure, normal humans. you're right, but it shows that they developed differently because of their circumstances. did they evolve further? no, from what we could see they were same as they were when taken from earth. but they're different from earth humans in their systems, their beliefs, their practices, and we don't know how they would have developed with no interference. they were also on mostly earth-type planets - though, in fairness, the only time we've seen different gravities as far as i recall is on ships. whether it's a production issue, making actors walk as though they're in heavy gravity all the time, or a franchise 'fact' i guess we'll never know.

fact is, we don't know what goa'uld had varro's territories, and whether they experimented on people. we also don't know what conditions his folks may have undergone. we cannot say, with absolute certainty, that nothing would have changed. not unless TPTB have stated it, anyway.

Why explain all of that circumstantial evidence?
Season 6, there was this dude, uhmmm Jonas Quinn who starred in around 20 episodes. His ancestors were taken from earth at the same time as Varros, give or take. As told by Nirti, generations off Earth has changed his physiology more then he realized. He had some advanced memory, and learning abilities.
100% concrete proof that in the SG universe, the few thousand years is enough to evolve humans more so then our current knowledge of genetics allows in reality.

umm, because i'd actually forgotten jonas - i've watched andromeda, broca divide, and that ageing planet one more recently

but, while nirti mentioned he was changed more than he knew, there was no other mention about it. jonas, even among his people, was a genius - and we have people on earth in the real world with similar abilities, iirc. it's a small mention which is easily passed over, at least partly because there's no development beyond that

[morbosfist]

yep, andromeda had to breed it in. but 2,000 years isn't a short time for people on such a world - afaik, a generation is roughly about 30 years, give or take, for humans atm. 66 generations are going to have to adapt to those conditions in 2000 years.

Of course, one must remember that the Ancients seeded Earth-like worlds. They probably wouldn't bother with heavy-grav planets.

broca and the nanotech one, sure, normal humans. you're right, but it shows that they developed differently because of their circumstances. did they evolve further? no, from what we could see they were same as they were when taken from earth. but they're different from earth humans in their systems, their beliefs, their practices, and we don't know how they would have developed with no interference. they were also on mostly earth-type planets - though, in fairness, the only time we've seen different gravities as far as i recall is on ships. whether it's a production issue, making actors walk as though they're in heavy gravity all the time, or a franchise 'fact' i guess we'll never know.

Social and genetic changes are two entirely different things. The only humans to have really evolved a specific mutation were those UV sensitive humans from that one episode with the terraforming ship.

fact is, we don't know what goa'uld had varro's territories, and whether they experimented on people. we also don't know what conditions his folks may have undergone. we cannot say, with absolute certainty, that nothing would have changed. not unless TPTB have stated it, anyway.

Fair enough, but the Goa'uld, bar a few here and there, never seemed terribly interested in advancement. They just wanted worship.

[garhkal]

with varro, we know little more than he's a capable hunter and leader, as well as killer when needed. he's smart too. but we don't know what his world was like - and we should remember that freaks like Nirrti were testing humans and experimenting with them too. as the LA comes from former snake territories, we haven't the faintest idea what differences they may have gone through, naturally or otherwise.

We also don't know if maybe he is from a planet which like Johna's people' were already a little ahead on the evolutionary ladder.

[Dale Volker]

If there were to be a season 3 of SGU (please!) then I think they might drag out her blindness and then restore it near the end of the season... maybe..

[garhkal]

I am wondering. If park used the stones to take over someone on earth (for say a visit or otherwise), would she have sight in the new body? Would the one in her body have sight?

[SaberBlade]

I am wondering. If park used the stones to take over someone on earth (for say a visit or otherwise), would she have sight in the new body? Would the one in her body have sight?

Would be no different to when Dr. Perry used the stones, the person taking over Park's body would have no sight as it's a physical injury while she (Park) could see in the others.

[jelgate]

Or remember Telford feeling Young's leg pain when he used the stones in Air. I agree with SaberBlade the lose of eyesight would change as the person inhabiting the body chaged

[jeri]

I am wondering. If park used the stones to take over someone on earth (for say a visit or otherwise), would she have sight in the new body? Would the one in her body have sight?

She did use the stones in Gauntlet and there is a scene of her standing in the rain looking around, as a last sight before they go into stasis.

[garhkal]

Ah.. forgot that little snippet. Though did that mean she saw? or was she just lovign being back on earth in the rain?