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    I never knew a nuke with a blast radius like that... maybe a mile tops. Beyond that, it'd be the radiation that kills everything. Of course, I'm no nuclear physicist.

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    I agree. Even a small nuke could have reached within a couple of miles distance!

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    Was it naquada enhanced?

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    Don't underestimate the power of a nuclear blast. Today's nukes are MUCH more powerful than the ones that were dropped on Japan.

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    I agree with you. They've modified the input devices that multiply the blast radius

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey6283
    I do think the Ancients created the mirror. It just seems like something they'd do. Test the limits of physics and push the boundries and then leave the technology for some lesser being to get into trouble with it.
    Yeah like to Time Looper thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey6283
    Do they actually have nukes stored in Cheyenne Mountain?
    Well, I think this comes to fruition on many levels.

    First, we need a bomb for the auto distruct. Probably not a nuke, but at least powerfull enough to blow out a massive underground facility.

    Secondly, this is an alternate universe, so, basically you could do anything you wanted...hell, Daniel could be a system lord in one universe...which would be wicked awsome, I loved his Goa'uld voice in uh...which season 5 one was that...

    Thirdly, running with the AU thing... Earth is technically at war, even though it is a secret war, yada yada yada. You never know when your going to need something big blowing up. We've already seen that we shoot missiles though the gate when needed. So uh...Nuke away?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VirtualCLD
    Was it naquada enhanced?
    Well, presumably it blew near the 'gate (which is made of naquada), so yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket4477
    Well, presumably it blew near the 'gate (which is made of naquada), so yeah.
    Actually, I'd bet the gate was unharmed. They can take a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WurdBendur
    Actually, I'd bet the gate was unharmed. They can take a lot.
    I totally agree with you. I'm just saying that the naquada would of helped amlify the explosion, to encompass a greater distance, not to destory the Stargate.

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    I"m not sure if the gate itself would increase the yield to weight ratio of the bomb, but I am certain that it would have destroyed the village at that distence. Modern nuclear bombs size depends on if they were built for countervalue (city busting) or counterforce targets (for lack of better term, military targets).

    As the accuracy of the weapons increased, the air force shifted towards smaller bombs in the idea that you could fight a limited nuclear war attacking just the enemies infastructure and not blindly target cities. The navy for a long time resisted this tendency because they saw increasing accuracy as making it much too tempting for civilian politicians to push the button. The logic being that if you tell the man "we can level Moscow" he's less likely to go with it than "we can take out the command bunker".

    In the end counterforce prevailed and by the 1980s the weapons got quite small relatively. Still at the time, NATO planners were estimating the deaths from even a small scale conflict to a couple hundred thousand 'attrits per second', so I'm never quite sure how much I feel about what they really thought a small scale nuclear conflict was.

    But you have to remember that Jack was trying to do as much damage as possible, and my guess is that he chose to use a large nuke to do that. Even if they didn't keep them around Cheyenne Mountain (and they seem to have them handy in other episodes), I'm sure he could have gotten one from Peterson AFB nearby.

    In real life? I highly doubt NORAD or US Space Command has nukes sitting around the mountain. Major cracking in the mountain during construction made the survivablity of the Cheyenne Mountain Ops Center really questionable. Which would be why they relied more and more on the Looking Glass and TACAMO aircraft as the real assurance of command post conflict.



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    WOW, way cool episode, i like alternate reality stuff, but dramatic when daniel gets back, Jack, there coming bla bla.

    I give green for signatures with ancient in them

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    I saw a pretty strong resemblance with the Movie-O'Neill in this episode, by RDA. There was a bit of a harshness to his voice, a tough exterior that reminded me of Russell's portrayal in many ways. I thought it was particularly evident in his first scene with Daniel and Catherine, when he said the lines "A Jaffa?" and "Get this man outta here, now". There's no doubt in my mind that RDA would have done an excellent job in the movie, as well.

    Daniel's little hand gestures when he, very frustrated, tries to explain to Catherine who he is... they're just too darn cute. "And unless the last two years have been some wacky, wacky dream, I am a member of SG-1".

    That prop thing that operates the alternate mirror, felt a little bit too much like a child's toy.

    The scene where Daniel finds out that his alternate reality self is probably dead, was fairly amusing. "Uh oh."

    Alternate!Teal'c with the Djingis Khan - hairstyle. What else is there to say?

    This goes in my Top Three-list of season 1.

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    Oh. Dear. God(s).

    Just watched this one for the first time on DVD and it quite figuratively scared the heck out of me. I'd forgotten that there was, in fact, a REASON that I'd only read the darn thing once! I can't imagine being in Danny's position, being so totally out of my universe and not having a thing to do about it.

    What was good:

    a. Introduction of the mirror. Cool! Very Matrix! (which came first, anyway?)
    b. Catherine--great to see her!
    c. Sam&Jack--whoo-hoo! Go ship. Seriously, though, it was good. I loved how they were in military mode right up until Jack went to confront Teal'c-and then you saw it come out. Sad! They died exactly the way I think they'd have liked to (provided they had to die at all). The look in their eyes when they knew it was over...eek! Look, I TOLD you this one freaked me out!
    d. Teal'c--at the risk of sounding like Jack in New Order: nice hair. Weird, very weird...kinda cool, though. I still prefer the tennis-ball look in Season 8

    What wasn't good:

    a. Dude, I told you: it was scary!

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    It wasn't scary zats. I only screamed 12 times, come on.

    (For those of you who didn't get it, I didn't scream at all).

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    This is probably my all time favorite Stargate ep, or at least one of the top ones. I love alternate universe eps--what could have been--but this really good all around, both in acting and story. Daniel scared and confused, Carter not in the military, Jack hardcore, Teal'c bad...this is probably the one episode with the J/S ship that I like. It was a good pause in amidst the chaos to show a tender moment. Of course, its also the big scene that probably had shippers scream its proof they are meant to be.

    I don't know what was up with Teal'c hair though. Made quite a statement. "I'm evil. Just look at my wacky hairdo." That moment right before he shoots Jack though...so sad. Jack realized all too late he'd screwed himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket4477
    It wasn't scary zats. I only screamed 12 times, come on.

    (For those of you who didn't get it, I didn't scream at all).
    Humph. Speak for youself. And I didn't scream at all. Winced a few times, sort of strangledly shrieked once, hid under the couch...but I DIDN'T scream.

    So there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey6283
    Do they actually have nukes stored in Cheyenne Mountain? I mean General O'Neill was contemplating using one on the Goa'uld military base after the ship took position on the mountain. He seemed pretty confident that he has them at his disposal, but I don't see how a convey with a nuke could make it to the SGC with the Jaffa controlling the enterance.

    Also, how powerful was that bomb they sent to Chu'lak. I don't remember the village being all that close to the gate in 'Children of the Gods'. Yet, the bomb took out all of the Jaffa there, suppositively.

    I do think the Ancients created the mirror. It just seems like something they'd do. Test the limits of physics and push the boundries and then leave the technology for some lesser being to get into trouble with it.

    Which leads to another question. Now that we know you need a specific gene to control Ancient tech, does that mean Jackson has it too? Assuming it was made by the Ancients.


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    The Daniel/Catherine shippy scenes were my favorite. They made a great couple in the feature film and Torment o' Tantalus.

    Doc Carter's reaction to the videotape Daniel brings from the other side is vintage Sam, and I love the whole idea of "what if Daniel hadn't joined the program". Fun, fun feature-worthy stuff. I only thing that didn't make sense to me was the O'Neill-Hammond rank swap. Why would that detail in particular be different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Dick
    Doc Carter's reaction to the videotape Daniel brings from the other side is vintage Sam
    I love the look on her face when the Captain Carter with the short hair and the field kit comes into view on the tape. You can just see both the possibilities of the alternate realities playing out, and the possibilities of what her life might have been like. It was very nicely played emotion on AT's part.

    And the best wig that she's gotten in the entire show

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Dick
    I only thing that didn't make sense to me was the O'Neill-Hammond rank swap.
    What I didn't get is how Hammond would have still been in the service at his age as a colonel. But I could be wrong...
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