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    Default Annoyed that Greer killed the 'deer'

    Is anyone else annoyed that Greer killed the 'deer' right after misestimating the intelligence of the predator-creature?

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    Default Re: Annoyed that Greer killed the 'deer'

    nope

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    Not at all.

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    Not really. Never any indication it was sentinent and we as a species eat meat all the time. Concidentally I'm eating beef jerky
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    Default Re: Annoyed that Greer killed the 'deer'

    the needs of the many out weight the stupidity of the deer

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Not really. Never any indication it was sentinent and we as a species eat meat all the time. Concidentally I'm eating beef jerky
    There was no indication that the predator-creature was sentient, either.

    Clearly they came out of that situation having learned nothing from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipper hannah View Post
    There was no indication that the predator-creature was sentient, either.

    Clearly they came out of that situation having learned nothing from it.
    What is their to learn? They were both animals
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    What is their to learn? They were both animals
    With the predator they learned that just because they look like unintelligent animals doesn't mean they are. The predator recognised their intelligence and vice versa.

    Then they go and forget all that experience and assume the 'deer' is unintelligent.

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    Their is nothing to say the deer was intelligent either
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    Default Re: Annoyed that Greer killed the 'deer'

    True... and if they were, why did the predator hunt them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Their is nothing to say the deer was intelligent either
    But they were wrong about the predator.. that was my point: that they were wrong before.

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    the predator was able to communicate, even if it was in an unusual way.

    but the deer appeared to act instinctively, running when startled.

    while, yes, it could have been highly intelligent - the available evidence suggested that it wasn't likely. just like the predator took advantage of an opportunity with humans, humans took advantage of an opportunity with the deer.

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    Default Re: Annoyed that Greer killed the 'deer'

    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    What is their to learn? They were both animals
    Coincidently, we humans are also animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blazingfire View Post
    Coincidently, we humans are also animals.
    non sentinent animals

    Happy now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
    the predator was able to communicate, even if it was in an unusual way.

    but the deer appeared to act instinctively, running when startled.

    while, yes, it could have been highly intelligent - the available evidence suggested that it wasn't likely. just like the predator took advantage of an opportunity with humans, humans took advantage of an opportunity with the deer.
    But the point is that they didn't know until after they communicated with the predator that it was intelligent. What I had hoped (and would have expected from the storyline) was that Greer would have reconsidered killing the deer based on that experience. Instead, they learned nothing from it and carried on as if it never happened. That is pretty much the point of characters having adventures - that they develop from the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    non sentinent animals

    Happy now?
    yes, i'm happy now

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipper hannah View Post
    But the point is that they didn't know until after they communicated with the predator that it was intelligent. What I had hoped (and would have expected from the storyline) was that Greer would have reconsidered killing the deer based on that experience. Instead, they learned nothing from it and carried on as if it never happened. That is pretty much the point of characters having adventures - that they develop from the experience.
    however, since the deer didn't attempt to communicate - and acted apparently purely on instinct - they did take the experience of the predator.

    they were able to face each other without running, measure each other, and determine the need for, or viability of, violence in self defence.

    the deer displayed no such characteristics.

    additionally, greer developed from - at the start of the episode - someone who was beginning to question himself, back to confident - and perhaps a little more accepting of intelligent creatures. he deserves a little celebration

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
    however, since the deer didn't attempt to communicate - and acted apparently purely on instinct - they did take the experience of the predator.

    they were able to face each other without running, measure each other, and determine the need for, or viability of, violence in self defence.

    the deer displayed no such characteristics.

    additionally, greer developed from - at the start of the episode - someone who was beginning to question himself, back to confident - and perhaps a little more accepting of intelligent creatures. he deserves a little celebration
    But neither did the predator until later on! It appeared to act only on instinct, as the humans did.

    I'm not sure the deer even saw Greer, as the whole point was to stay hidden so it wouldn't know he was there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipper hannah View Post
    But neither did the predator until later on! It appeared to act only on instinct, as the humans did.
    not, in fact, entirely true. at the start, when greer was getting ready to shoot the deer, the predator selected the greater threat - he attacked greer and scott, then the rest of the crew, in order to protect its food source. iirc, lions on earth only kill humans because they were taught that humans are easy to kill - however, this predator managed not only to target humans with no prior experience of us, but also avoid killing too many - if anyone - in the initial attack.

    however, when the humans encroached on its home territory, it turned lethal - an instinctive reaction, to be sure, but one which could have been used in response to a food threat too. instead, it attempted to frighten first.

    I'm not sure the deer even saw Greer, as the whole point was to stay hidden so it wouldn't know he was there.
    perhaps it did see greer, perhaps not. the predator did, though - and the deer on that planet have probably developed keen eyesight to detect threats. if it did see greer, then it didn't have the intelligence to determine that he was a clear and present danger to it - but it bolted as soon as the predator showed up. it certainly should have heard greer and scott arguing about who should take the shot though

    additionally, the fact that an intelligent predator was protecting its food source would suggest that the predator had enough time to determine the intelligence of the deer - and found it lacking. greer may well have taken this as a suitable indication of the deer's suitability for hunting.

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    My thoughts exactly.

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