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    Default Re: Why did rush freeze brody ?

    In addition to what was said about him teaching Eli a lesson I think he also wanted to see how Eli would react to the situation.

    Would he own up to what he'd done and come ask Rush for help, or would he try to hide it from him instead.

    He was testing to see if Eli was actually capable of deliberately defying him and going behind his back, then lying about it when asked. He found out that he was, so he'll be watching him much more closely now I'd imagine.

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    It was a very good way for Rush to teach Eli a lesson, because there was always a risk that Eli would challenge Rush with time. Specially, since Eli keeps hearing that he is this math genius quite often, and that can make Eli over confident, to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furliciousy2k9 View Post
    It was a very good way for Rush to teach Eli a lesson, because there was always a risk that Eli would challenge Rush with time. Specially, since Eli keeps hearing that he is this math genius quite often, and that can make Eli over confident, to say the least.
    And Rush is somehow a better person to have in charge? . . . Give me a break.

    Everything Rush did was a purely selfish attempt to hold on to the power he has. He heard Eli voicing his dissent to Brody, so he "put them in their place" with his stasis pod routine. Then he went and broke down any resolve Volker might have had by telling him that he wasn't good enough to get any women.

    At the end of the episode, Rush says "let's go check out the stasis pods" and gives a snide little smirk when Eli and Brody reiterate his earlier words about caution. The smirk was because his plan worked and he had reaffirmed his place as the "smartest man in the room".

    You've got to see it from Rush's perspective, he was brought in to the Stargate Program purely to work on Icarus and the 9th Chevron. Well Eli was the one who cracked the 9th Chevron, and McKay just reworked all of Rush's algorithms and made the dialing procedure safe. Combined with the fact that he got stuck in a simulation and had to be saved by Eli, Rush can feel his power slipping away.
    So he did what he does best, manipulate people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    In addition to what was said about him teaching Eli a lesson I think he also wanted to see how Eli would react to the situation.

    Would he own up to what he'd done and come ask Rush for help, or would he try to hide it from him instead.

    He was testing to see if Eli was actually capable of deliberately defying him and going behind his back, then lying about it when asked. He found out that he was, so he'll be watching him much more closely now I'd imagine.
    People need to be approachable for someone to want to go to them for help. Rush has proven that he is less than approachable on anything, because he has an attitude. He demeans people. Eli has brains lots of them, but he lacks experience in life emotionally when dealing with other people. Rush uses that inexperience to demean him, case he doesn't want him too secure in himself. Shows Rush's insecurity if he can't deal with a bit of competition. apparently Rush will never grow up. He acted like a ten year old on a playground, which is his usual .
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    I think Rush has lost his selfishness and secrecy, everything he's been through and experienced i think he needs the crew.

    Eli and Brody were about to do what Rush did in the first season +, he disagreed and didnt want them going that route, so he "dissuaded" them.

    Still, what he did to Brody and watching Eli sweat was damn funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nth Chevron View Post
    I think Rush has lost his selfishness and secrecy, everything he's been through and experienced i think he needs the crew.

    Eli and Brody were about to do what Rush did in the first season +, he disagreed and didnt want them going that route, so he "dissuaded" them.

    Still, what he did to Brody and watching Eli sweat was damn funny

    N.C
    So you think that Rush is suddenly just a fluffy bunny? After he has just had his power flow algorithms pwnd by McKay and heard Eli saying that he shouldn't be in charge?
    Funny or not, what Rush did was 100% self motivated.

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    isn't eli hiding it from rush kinda ironic, given that he blamed rush for keeping secrets?

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    Eli's situation is slightly different. He didn't want to admit he ignored Rush and screwed up (Rush would never let him live that down), whereas Rush was hiding important information. Of course, Brody in the freezer is important, too, but not in the same context.

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    You're all overlooking one critical fact, Eli and Brody didn't screw up, they were perfectly safe in what they did. the only reason that Brody was trapped and Eli was panicking was because of Rush manipulating them. And the only reason he was manipulating them was because he heard Eli voice discontent.

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    Rush's actions mean little in relation to how Eli acted. As far as Eli knew, either he or Brody did something wrong.

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    I think Rush was honestly just having a little fun at Eli and Brody's expense.

    On the other hand I wonder about those stasis pods... Remember the stasis pods on the Ancient ship in Atlantis? Remember Rodney asking Carson if he wanted Rodney to program him some nice dreams while he was in stasis? Ancient stasis pods have the capability to link the sleeper to a virtual reality. If that is the case with the Destiny pods, then that makes Rush's experiment with the chair that much worse. He could have just used one of the stasis pods and been completely safe. Yes, I'm aware he didn't know about them until AFTER the chair incident, but Amanda should have known. She had access to all the ships systems and was looking for a way to make physical contact, she should have seen them.

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    I didn't find it light hearted at all or a little joke. Rush risked Brody's life to test out the equipment. This was menacing. Love the character of Rush, very compelling, but he is not a person I would trust. This was Franklin all over again but he was being more sly about it.
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    I didn't think that he froze Brody; I thought he just manipulated them by not allowing them to study the pods, thinking that they would anyway. This then led to Brody being frozen by accident, allowing Rush to gather data, with teaching Eli a lesson as a secondary outcome.

    But, thinking about it, Rush freezing Brody himself does make more sense... Surely not, though? Freezing him and thawing him out so quickly could have been dangerous.

    I like how they left it to us to decide what he was up to; great Rush storyline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Toccs View Post
    Then he went and broke down any resolve Volker might have had by telling him that he wasn't good enough to get any women.
    Since the next scene we saw of Volkar was him going with flowers to see Parks, it imo was done for the OPPOSITE reason.. telling him that "his being such a good friend" is not what is place was..

    Quote Originally Posted by D Toccs View Post
    At the end of the episode, Rush says "let's go check out the stasis pods" and gives a snide little smirk when Eli and Brody reiterate his earlier words about caution. The smirk was because his plan worked and he had reaffirmed his place as the "smartest man in the room".
    True it did. BUT it also proved to rush that he was right. Look at what happened to him. He threw caution to the wind and cause of it got trapped. This showed eli you need to think things through.


    isn't eli hiding it from rush kinda ironic, given that he blamed rush for keeping secrets?
    Yes it is. BUT it does make things more interesting. How does the one who loves keeping secrets feel with others doing it to him?

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    @D Toccs - I am detecting a slight misunderstanding, I think. What I meant by "a very good way" I meant it in the way that it was quite effective. But that doesn't mean I agree with how Rush handled the situation, because yes, it could've been dangerous to anybody getting frozen. However I do believe that Rush is the better person to be in charge than Eli. And I want to stress the possibility that just because everybody tells you you are a genius, doesn't mean you can do everything, etc.

    I agree with most other things people have mentioned in this thread, but I just wanted to emphasize these 'things'.

    Ps. Oh, and another thing, scientists can be quite competitive, specially some quite smart people can't handle there being another person claiming to be at least that smart, in-verse reference could be McKay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furliciousy2k9 View Post
    @D Toccs - I am detecting a slight misunderstanding, I think. What I meant by "a very good way" I meant it in the way that it was quite effective. But that doesn't mean I agree with how Rush handled the situation, because yes, it could've been dangerous to anybody getting frozen. However I do believe that Rush is the better person to be in charge than Eli. And I want to stress the possibility that just because everybody tells you you are a genius, doesn't mean you can do everything, etc.

    I agree with most other things people have mentioned in this thread, but I just wanted to emphasize these 'things'.

    Ps. Oh, and another thing, scientists can be quite competitive, specially some quite smart people can't handle there being another person claiming to be at least that smart, in-verse reference could be McKay.

    I understand what you meant. I just disagree that Rush is a better person to have in charge. To be an effective leader you have to have peoples respect and trust and Rush has neither and has proved time and again that he deserves neither.

    I just don't think that Rush is as smart as people seem to think. He was brought in to the Stargate Program specifically for the 9th chevron, and he couldn't figure it out, Eli did. The power flow algorithms that Rush created caused the destruction of not one but two planets, and then McKay comes along and completely reworks them to make them safe.
    For a time Rush was the one most knowledgeable on how Destiny works, but that was only because he hid the discovery of the bridge from everybody else in order to maintain his advantage.

    To be clear, I don't think that Eli should be in charge either, he's an inexperienced kid with all the failings that come with that.

    The head scientists should be Volker and Brody, who have demonstrated many times that they are competent and level headed.

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    The planet in Air was being attacked and Rush didn't have time to finish his calculations in Subversion.

    I don't know how Rush could have know Brody was inside the pod. Mabey Eli did trap him but Rush just wouldn't let him out.

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    It showed up on the monitor.

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    I thought it was an honest accident that Rush discovered and decided to make it work for him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble View Post
    I don't know how Rush could have know Brody was inside the pod. Mabey Eli did trap him but Rush just wouldn't let him out.
    Rush saw on the monitor that their was someone inside one of the stasis pods, he gave a little smirk and then pushed the button to activate that pod. How did you miss that?

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