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Originally posted by Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' NobleView Post
About bloody time
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Fighter jets destroyed a number of tanks in Benghazi Saturday, March 19, in the first shots of the Western-Arab operation authorized by the UN Security Council 1973 against Muammar Qaddafi, soon joined by British jet fighters. After the US stated it would not take part in the first action or send troops, a US submarine and UK warships fired 112 Tomahawk missiles at 20 Libyan targets east of Tripoli, among them the Libyan army's supreme command center near the town of Sirte and air defenses. Casualties have not been reported.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the US would provide the coalition operation with support by its "unique assets."
This is the first time in 25 years, that the US had attacked the Qaddafi regime.
The mission is under the operational control of the US Africa command. Libya State TV says coalition attacks have killed civilians.
debkafile's military sources report that during the last 24 hours, Qaddafi has dispersed thousands of his soldiers and diehard loyalists at military sites liable to be struck from the air or sea. Thousands of men, women and children waving green flags are gathered at his compound in Tripoli; the Khamis 32 Brigade entered Benghazi in the morning and lined up along its main thoroughfare, the Gemal Abdul Nasser street. The elite brigade was positioned at the heart of the rebel stronghold so that coalition jet bombers and warships could not strike them without substantial collateral civilian casualties.
Trucks and buses scattered more civilians along the country's main highways and intersections and the runways of Libyan Air force air bases.
A seaborne missile attack on the Libyan coast was indicated by the arrival in the Mediterranean of the nuclear assault submarine USS Providence last Monday, March 14. This sub has played a part in every important US missile offensive in the last decade, including the 2003 invasion of Iraq as well as important missions in Afghanistan. The score of coalition ranged opposite Libyan shores at present include the USS Kearsage marine helicopter carrier, the Amphibious Transport Docks and the USS Ponce, USS Barry and USS Mason guided missile destroyers.
Earlier Saturday, March 19, debkafile reported:
The coalition of powers plans to expand its operations in the next 24 hours and then wait to see how Qaddafi responds.
The Libyan ruler last week threatened retaliation against the military and civilian targets of any nations attacking him in Europe and the Middle East. Saturday, he warned the French President Nicolas Sarkozy and British premier David Cameron they would regret leading the group attacking his country.
Western intelligence experts calculate that he may he decide to strike back at French and British Middle East targets by air might, missiles and special forces, as well possibly as hitting civilian locations inside France. If this happens, the Americans are expected to join the anti-Qaddafi operation using their naval and air forces.
debkafile's military sources report that the Libyan ruler extensively prepared himself for attack in recent weeks, scattering his warplanes and ground forces in desert hideouts to minimize their vulnerability.
He, his family and elite officials have most likely gone to ground in secret hideouts.
You will find that some anti war types would much rather sit around ignoring some of the crap in the world, than rather dealing it. I don’t think that air strikes will help the rebels win, but I think it will prevent Gaddafi seizing control of the east, which will at least ensure that there will be no massacre of dissidents.
I'm anti-war in a general sense, but sometimes it's really the lesser of two evils, in which case war needs to be waged and done right so that it is successful rather than just leaving a lot of loose ends to create problems farther down the line.
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Originally posted by Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' NobleView Post
About bloody time.
Indeed.
I generally find most military actions abhorrent, but in this case the Libyan people have spoken and Gadaffi is tearing the country to shreds for his own benefit. That he's gotten away with his crimes in the 70s and 80s for 30+ years now is bad enough, but to allow him to persist in his current actions would be a grave injustice.
Put succinctly, it's time he went. And if the Libyan 'common man' needs a helping hand for that to happen, so be it.
"A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life
I'm anti-war in a general sense, but sometimes it's really the lesser of two evils, in which case war needs to be waged and done right so that it is successful rather than just leaving a lot of loose ends to create problems farther down the line.
That’s probably the opinion, of most rational, sane people, the argument often comes down more to when it becomes the lesser of two evils.
And I should have put some anti war types, don’t want to paint everyone with the same brush. But there’s a type of person who does seem to think we should stick our head in the sand.
Incidentally, "Odyssey Dawn" sounds like a porn star name to me.
"A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life
Explore Colonel Frank Cromwell's odyssey after falling through the Stargate in Season Two's A Matter of Time, and follow Jack's search for him. Significant Tok'ra supporting characters and a human culture drawn from the annals of history. Book One of the series By Honor Bound.
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