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    This was a good story. But I always have problems with understanding the time travel stuff...

    The scene I best remember from this ep, is the scene where the crew run for supplies. That has been missing the whole show, now finally some spare parts and more weapons and stuff. Great.

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    My only regret is we never was told HOW the entire ship got shifted back..

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    I'm late to the series, which sadly was canceled by the time I started watching it on Netflix, but I felt like I had to register when I saw the discussion here.

    At the end of the episode, when he emerges from the Stargate back onto Destiny, Rush wasn't upset over the death of Rush #2 or Telford #1, and that's not why he looked distracted.

    At that moment, it was just dawning on him that Rush #2, who is actually original Rush, saw the solar flare as an opportunity and destroyed the Destiny on purpose so he could loop back in time and strip the ship for spare parts, to continue Destiny's mission. Which is exactly what he's been hell-bent on doing since episode one.

    The look on his face is one of horrific comprehension at what his other self just did...the sheer ballsyness of destroying the original ship and crew just so the mission could continue. It's almost exactly the same feigned indifference look he had on his face when Young realized Rush knew the Destiny was flying into the star to refuel itself, so his gallant offer to give up his chance at a seat -- and life -- on the shuttle wasn't so gallant after all.

    Only this time, the feigned indifference was mixed at genuine shock and horror at how devious, insane and brilliant his original self had been to pull off the intentional destruction of the Destiny.

    A key clue supporting this theory is when he asks his older self what really happened on the original Destiny, and older Rush responds with, "I've already told you." It's one of his trademark tics and he really can't fool himself, so Rush nods and doesn't prod. It's not until the last few seconds of the episode, when Young mentions their luck in being able to re-supply, that Rush realizes WTF just really happened.

    These time-travel episodes can really hurt your brain, and there are some plot holes, or at least difficulties, but it's actually a pretty brilliant plot and fits in exactly with everything we know about Dr. Rush.

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    When I first seen this episode I was thinking the people might have been sent through time to the future or to a different planet. Just because they didn't show up on earth doesn't mean they are dead.

    I don't understand why there are two ships. The ship didn't go through a wormhole. Cool idea for a episode though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planetary View Post
    I'm late to the series, which sadly was canceled by the time I started watching it on Netflix, but I felt like I had to register when I saw the discussion here.

    At the end of the episode, when he emerges from the Stargate back onto Destiny, Rush wasn't upset over the death of Rush #2 or Telford #1, and that's not why he looked distracted.

    At that moment, it was just dawning on him that Rush #2, who is actually original Rush, saw the solar flare as an opportunity and destroyed the Destiny on purpose so he could loop back in time and strip the ship for spare parts, to continue Destiny's mission. Which is exactly what he's been hell-bent on doing since episode one.

    The look on his face is one of horrific comprehension at what his other self just did...the sheer ballsyness of destroying the original ship and crew just so the mission could continue. It's almost exactly the same feigned indifference look he had on his face when Young realized Rush knew the Destiny was flying into the star to refuel itself, so his gallant offer to give up his chance at a seat -- and life -- on the shuttle wasn't so gallant after all.

    Only this time, the feigned indifference was mixed at genuine shock and horror at how devious, insane and brilliant his original self had been to pull off the intentional destruction of the Destiny.

    A key clue supporting this theory is when he asks his older self what really happened on the original Destiny, and older Rush responds with, "I've already told you." It's one of his trademark tics and he really can't fool himself, so Rush nods and doesn't prod. It's not until the last few seconds of the episode, when Young mentions their luck in being able to re-supply, that Rush realizes WTF just really happened.

    These time-travel episodes can really hurt your brain, and there are some plot holes, or at least difficulties, but it's actually a pretty brilliant plot and fits in exactly with everything we know about Dr. Rush.
    I never thought that when i saw rush looking indifferent/indecisive. If anything i think he was more like "Damn i really did it, i killed telford. Didn't think i had that in me".

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    i thought it was everything hitting him at once, the fact of killing Telford, the fact of going down with the ship.....and him thinking to himself, "my other self was so obsessed with Destiny that he went down with Destiny.......am i that insane too? After all, he was me, with only 12 hours more experience"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell View Post
    When I first seen this episode I was thinking the people might have been sent through time to the future or to a different planet. Just because they didn't show up on earth doesn't mean they are dead.

    I don't understand why there are two ships. The ship didn't go through a wormhole. Cool idea for a episode though.
    evidentally the ship DID go through the wormhole, or somehow the effect of the wormhole created some kind of time distortion bubble because of a powerful solar flare. The Destiny isn't like a planet......first, it was actually IN the star.....it wasn't a fixed point in space......they should feel lucky that Destiny didn't get thrown to the far end of the Universe....lol

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    I've just re-watched Twin Destinies again, and I want to confirm something that always confused me. Telford acts so strange in this episode, particularly his verbal attacks on Rush at the end that lead to his death. I always thought that somehow that was the original Telford (from Earth) who returned using the stones, but now I'm thinking that's incorrect. The entire episode is weird for Telford. He references being sabotaged in the past, but he was under mind control back then. Just to confirm, was the person that died Telford we'd been with the entire show, or the one that reached Earth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sci-fi fanatic View Post
    I've just re-watched Twin Destinies again, and I want to confirm something that always confused me. Telford acts so strange in this episode, particularly his verbal attacks on Rush at the end that lead to his death. I always thought that somehow that was the original Telford (from Earth) who returned using the stones, but now I'm thinking that's incorrect. The entire episode is weird for Telford. He references being sabotaged in the past, but he was under mind control back then. Just to confirm, was the person that died Telford we'd been with the entire show, or the one that reached Earth?
    Hola Mr/Ms Fanatic, confusing episode indeed!

    Parallel / alternate universe (let's call em 2)
    The crew of Destiny 2 tries dialing Earth within the star. Rush 2 warns that the connection is unstable, Telford 2 goes ahead anyway and everyone but him gets killed in the wormhole. Telford 2 made it back to Earth. So the Telford using the stone is actually the Telford from the other reality.

    When original Telford insinuate that Rush 2 must've sabotaged Destiny 2 (he blames him for the death of the previous crew), a fight ensues and Telford is accidentally killed by Rush 2.

    So yes you are correct, the Telford that dies is our Telford, not his double. The one that reached Earth would be Telford 2.

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    Thanks! I always assumed it was Telford 2 that died and only realized this time that perhaps that was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sci-fi fanatic View Post
    Thanks! I always assumed it was Telford 2 that died and only realized this time that perhaps that was wrong.
    You're welcome

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    They had to find a quick reason how to write out II. Telford and II. Young.

    * * *
    Off. His hymn is here. Even they lyrics fits to Stargate : Universe.

    "Let's dance in style, let's dance for a while
    Heaven can wait we're only watching the skies
    Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst
    Are you gonna drop the bomb or not?
    Let us die young or let us live forever
    We don't have the power, but we never say never
    Sitting in a sandpit, life is a short trip
    The music's for the sad man
    Can you imagine when this race is won?
    Turn our golden the faces into the sun
    Praising our leaders, we're getting in tune
    The music's played by the, the madman
    Forever young
    I want to be forever young
    Do you really want to live forever?
    Forever, and ever
    Forever young
    I want to be forever young
    Do you really want to live forever?
    Forever young"


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