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    That doesn't matter at this point. Trump has already done a dozen things that is grounds for impeachment
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    First, you are continually misusing the term "Deep State".
    SCOTUS is not the "Deep State". Deep State is the endless layers of bureaucrats that infest agencies, anonymously writing rules and regulations that the actual laws they are supposed to be administering do not give them the authority to do.
    correct the SCOTUS is more than a deep state that's why I said Supreme Deep State (SDS)

    cause the bureaucrats you mention, at least, can be fired like most officials - however the members of SDS cannot be fired which makes it even more dangerous: unelected lifetime government officials who can (in effect) make their own laws that go far beyond the "rules & regulations" that the regular deep state makes

    basically the SDS, not the media, is the greatest enemy of the people
    but the american media & Dems are too stupid to understand & say it apparently (just like they're too stupid to understand & say that Charles KOCH is everything the neocons accuse Soros of being)

    As far as a president defying a SCOTUS order goes, I would think that defying the lawful order of a court would be immediate grounds for impeachment.
    lol big deal Trump's already done so many things that warrant impeachment he set the standards. so what if the next president (if there is one) does just 1 "bad" thing especially if it's for the people

    but yeah a Senate of same alignment as the president would be recommended

    and ideally (to give his defiance legitimacy) a popular referendum where the People would greenlight such a decision

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    correct the SCOTUS is more than a deep state that's why I said Supreme Deep State (SDS)

    cause the bureaucrats you mention, at least, can be fired like most officials - however the members of SDS cannot be fired which makes it even more dangerous: unelected lifetime government officials who can (in effect) make their own laws that go far beyond the "rules & regulations" that the regular deep state makes

    basically the SDS, not the media, is the greatest enemy of the people
    Not to mention the SCOTUS' impact /decision power is not even remotely comparable to the bureaucrats. That's like comparing a 302 to an Ori mothership.

    At least in a parliamentary system the lifetime positions have no real decision power. Their job is just to put a stamp over the laws basically. The Senate is more of a candy job you give to your buddies or use it for political capital, so no Palpatine potential there.
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    I should also mention that to my knowledge, Canada's Supreme court has never been biased, and usually they are made out of a mix of common law / civil code lawyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    As far as a president defying a SCOTUS order goes, I would think that defying the lawful order of a court would be immediate grounds for impeachment.
    Please, read something about the subject first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post

    basically the SDS, not the media, is the greatest enemy of the people
    but the american media & Dems are too stupid to understand & say it apparently (just like they're too stupid to understand & say that Charles KOCH is everything the neocons accuse Soros of being)
    Or, it can can be seen as the greatest protector of the people against abuse of government power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Or, it can can be seen as the greatest protector of the people against abuse of government power.
    Such as?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Or, it can can be seen as the greatest protector of the people against enabler of abuse of government power.
    fixed for current context

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    fixed for current context
    Indeed.
    The GOP is dying giving birth to the trump party, and stacking courts with trump party loyalists (not GOP, trump party)
    It's the mummy's curse, striking from the grave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Such as?
    a good SCOTUS can

    like when it once ruled that death penalty should not apply to non-killing crimes
    judge Anthony was the deciding vote he sided with the Dems

    that's about the only thing that so far differentiates the US from other countries with capital punishment (which tend to be dictatorships) so this was a critical human rights topic

    now that the SDS has turned conservative this could change

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    not GOP, trump party
    nowadays it's the same (the Kavanaugh confirmation was the most recent proof)

    must hand it to herr Drumpf he's as effective as Hitler in keeping his party in lockstep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Such as?
    Just to cite one example, there are many others.

    In Ruling on Cellphone Location Data, Supreme Court Makes Statement on Digital Privacy

    WASHINGTON — In a major statement on privacy in the digital age, the Supreme Court ruled on Friday that the government generally needs a warrant to collect troves of location data about the customers of cellphone companies.

    “We decline to grant the state unrestricted access to a wireless carrier’s database of physical location information,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority.

    The 5-to-4 ruling will protect “deeply revealing” records associated with 400 million devices, the chief justice wrote. It did not matter, he wrote, that the records were in the hands of a third party. That aspect of the ruling was a significant break from earlier decisions.

    The Constitution must take account of vast technological changes, Chief Justice Roberts wrote, noting that digital data can provide a comprehensive, detailed — and intrusive — overview of private affairs that would have been impossible to imagine not long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    a good SCOTUS can

    like when it once ruled that death penalty should not apply to non-killing crimes
    judge Anthony was the deciding vote he sided with the Dems

    that's about the only thing that so far differentiates the US from other countries with capital punishment (which tend to be dictatorships) so this was a critical human rights topic

    now that the SDS has turned conservative this could change

    nowadays it's the same (the Kavanaugh confirmation was the most recent proof)

    must hand it to herr Drumpf he's as effective as Hitler in keeping his party in lockstep
    So, you yourself admit that SCOTUS can protect citizen rights.

    Regarding Kavanaugh and your comments regarding Trump. It should have come as no surprise to anyone that he would nominate Conservatives to the court. That's what he promised to do, remember?

    The only problem with that is that the Democrats could not accept losing their favorite tool to advance their agenda. So, in the age of #MeToo, they found a few women to make false, unproven and unprovable accusations from 35 years ago in hopes that character assassination would do what they had no legal way to do, stop Kavanaugh's confirmation. That says nothing about the Republicans, but plenty about the Democrats, mainly that they act like spoiled children when they don't get their way.

    Tell me something. In recent days, Justice Ginsburg has been in the news for failing health reasons. The Republicans still have the Senate, and Trump is still in the White House, with Pence waiting in case the House successfully impeaches Trump. It seems quite possible that Ginsburg will be forced to retire in the next two years.

    What do you think the Democrats are going to do when Trump (Or Pence) nominates another Conservative to replace her, bringing the the court to a 6-3 Conservative majority?

    Hint: If they were stomping around like spoiled children after Kavanaugh, that ain't nothin' compared to what they're gonna do if that happens. I don't care who Trump nominates, you mark my words. The Democrats will go absolutely ballistic.
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    So, you yourself admit that SCOTUS can protect citizen rights.
    they could but that was before

    The only problem with that is that the Democrats could not accept losing their favorite tool to advance their agenda. So, in the age of #MeToo, they found a few women to make false, unproven and unprovable accusations from 35 years ago in hopes that character assassination would do what they had no legal way to do, stop Kavanaugh's confirmation. That says nothing about the Republicans, but plenty about the Democrats, mainly that they act like spoiled children when they don't get their way.
    the Scotus has been mostly conservative since Bush jr (judge Anthony was still conservative on most issues) so dont know what you're talking about unless you're complaining that they weren't conservative all the time

    dont wanna talk about the whole metoo **** but with regards to Ford specifically the neocons themselves admitted "something happened" 35y ago

    the neocons also set the standards when they accused political opponents like Weinstein without proof so why not do same to Kavanaugh? (wait he's protected by Government & by Koch nvm)


    Tell me something. In recent days, Justice Ginsburg has been in the news for failing health reasons. The Republicans still have the Senate, and Trump is still in the White House, with Pence waiting in case the House successfully impeaches Trump. It seems quite possible that Ginsburg will be forced to retire in the next two years.
    that's the result of the Dems stupidity in a way
    Clinton was a fool to nominate an old person & Ginsburg was a (selfish?) fool not to retire some years back when asked to by some of the Dems when they had Senate & could replace her (they'd wisened up at that point but it was too late)
    so they'll have brought this upon themselves

    What do you think the Democrats are going to do when Trump (Or Pence) nominates another Conservative to replace her, bringing the the court to a 6-3 Conservative majority?

    Hint: If they were stomping around like spoiled children after Kavanaugh, that ain't nothin' compared to what they're gonna do if that happens. I don't care who Trump nominates, you mark my words. The Democrats will go absolutely ballistic.
    especially since they lost more Senate seats they must suspect by now they've no chance of blocking another nomination

    so I'd say they'll complain but not too much instead plan on how they can change the rules to limit the SDS' power if they regain the white house & senate, or increase its size etc. or like I said just plan to ignore its rulings (extreme measure I know) which is ok because they're certain to be unconstitutional

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    yo wake up man that was before:
    June 22, 2018
    now the SDS is full conservative

    you can forget about such rulings (they can also rescind the previous ones)

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    So nobody cares about the journalist fake news journalist that was effectively silenced by Trump?

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    Their are been literally hundreds of those
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    they could but that was before

    the Scotus has been mostly conservative since Bush jr (judge Anthony was still conservative on most issues) so dont know what you're talking about unless you're complaining that they weren't conservative all the time

    dont wanna talk about the whole metoo **** but with regards to Ford specifically the neocons themselves admitted "something happened" 35y ago

    the neocons also set the standards when they accused political opponents like Weinstein without proof so why not do same to Kavanaugh? (wait he's protected by Government & by Koch nvm)


    that's the result of the Dems stupidity in a way
    Clinton was a fool to nominate an old person & Ginsburg was a (selfish?) fool not to retire some years back when asked to by some of the Dems when they had Senate & could replace her (they'd wisened up at that point but it was too late)
    so they'll have brought this upon themselves

    especially since they lost more Senate seats they must suspect by now they've no chance of blocking another nomination

    so I'd say they'll complain but not too much instead plan on how they can change the rules to limit the SDS' power if they regain the white house & senate, or increase its size etc. or like I said just plan to ignore its rulings (extreme measure I know) which is ok because they're certain to be unconstitutional

    yo wake up man that was before:
    now the SDS is full conservative

    you can forget about such rulings (they can also rescind the previous ones)
    I think you misunderstand something about a Conservative court.

    A Conservative court tries to adhere to the letter of the law or what's written into the Constitution, without pulling new "rights" out of where the sun don't shine for either the people or the government.

    The idea is to stick to the letter of the law or Constitution. Often, this will benefit the people, as our founding fathers very carefully set up the Constitution to LIMIT the power of government as they were fearful of govt. power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Their are been literally hundreds of those
    I guess they were ''rude'' as well.

    Definition of rude: not licking Trump's butt and asking questions about the Russia investigation. Rude can also be defined as assaulting a WH employee by letting her touch your arm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    I think you misunderstand something about a Conservative court.

    A Conservative court tries to adhere to the letter of the law or what's written into the Constitution, without pulling new "rights" out of where the sun don't shine for either the people or the government.
    You know, that discourse is strikingly similar to religious extremists that follows their holy book to the letter.

    The idea is to stick to the letter of the law or Constitution. Often, this will benefit the people, as our founding fathers very carefully set up the Constitution to LIMIT the power of government as they were fearful of govt. power.
    Ironic. You talk about limiting power to the government when your administration is currently a 1 man show ran by Trumpatine. For an external spectator such as me, I have never seen a President rule in such a disrespectful cavalier way with complete disregard for democratic institutions and human rights.

    Limit power to the govt... complete garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    I think you misunderstand something about a Conservative court.

    A Conservative court tries to adhere to the letter of the law or what's written into the Constitution, without pulling new "rights" out of where the sun don't shine for either the people or the government.
    fixed

    The idea is to stick to the letter of the law or Constitution it up the People.
    fixed² :|

    a conservative court would've ruled that it's ok to kill someone who didn't kill (so much for your constitutional "punishment fitting the crime" rights)

    Often, this will benefit the people
    lol

    I suppose technically Charles KOCH is part of the people (btw he owns the SDS now since he's the one who picked Kavanaugh)

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    And yet again, another CNN journalist gets roasted by Dunk-a-Trump, and he has the audacity to ask for more respect to the WH?

    Funny how neocons are surprisingly silent on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    And yet again, another CNN journalist gets roasted by Dunk-a-Trump, and he has the audacity to ask for more respect to the WH?

    Funny how neocons are surprisingly silent on the matter.
    I am by no means a neocon, but I can see their point. Who cares? CNN is extremely biased in favor of the left, and I don't care if one of their people is thrown under the bus.

    It's not as if he was a legitimate journalist, after all. CNN wouldn't know a legitimate journalist if one bit them in the arse.
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