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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Well, it's no secret that our social assistance programs are far too generous. Hell, they get free cell phones! You can't possibly tell me that parents with combined incomes of 60K can't afford to make peanut butter sandwiches for their kids to take to school with them. Every hear the term "brown bag"? That's how I did lunch right on thru either Jr. or Sr. high (I forget which, it's been a long time)
    I think the point is to not raise kids on PB&J sandwiches. Less than 60k is hardly a lot of money when half of that ends up being used on housing and transportation alone in many places. And our "generous" social programs are considered pitiful in other countries like Canada and the UK where they look down right communist when compared to ours. But you know this already, you've been told this on this website by international members already. You simply ignore it by choice simply because they refuse to consider the possibility that they could be wrong.

    Regarding the wage levels, I was citing the examples shown from the twitterverse. (Yes, I know, about the worst source of info you can find, except for other social networking)
    And yet you cited them anyways....


    And yes, I've heard the media reports of people whining about the effects on their taxes.

    But note that almost all of them refer to their tax REFUNDS, not the total amount of taxes. This indicates that they did not make required adjustments to their withholding and perhaps make changes to their deduction strategy. The standard deduction was nearly doubled, so I can easily see how someone who had been itemizing to take advantage of targeted deductions can end up in the hole if they failed to take that into account.
    That's because they were promised that in refunds, not distributed over the year.

    For example: For decades, I've had my withholding set so that at the end of the year, I owe maybe $25-$50 bucks. I've carefully set this up to avoid giving the govt. an interest-free loan for the year, as well as protecting myself from having to wait for whatever delay might occur with the refund process (NY State has occasionally threatened to delay refunds as part of the annual budget fight in the past.)
    Good for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aretood2 View Post
    I think the point is to not raise kids on PB&J sandwiches. Less than 60k is hardly a lot of money when half of that ends up being used on housing and transportation alone in many places. And our "generous" social programs are considered pitiful in other countries like Canada and the UK where they look down right communist when compared to ours. But you know this already, you've been told this on this website by international members already. You simply ignore it by choice simply because they refuse to consider the possibility that they could be wrong.


    That's because they were promised that in refunds, not distributed over the year.
    Who says that that's all they are raised on? It's just lunch, for cripe's sake. I maintain that a couple who make 60K can feed their own kids.

    Where? The tax reform promised a reduction in tax liability for lower/middle classes, not fatter refunds. That's exactly what we got.
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    Wow using Brietbart as a credible news source. That's interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    Wow using Brietbart as a credible news source. That's interesting.
    Why? It is just as legitimate as Salon, Vox, Huffington or any other other far lefty sites. The only difference is that it doesn't lean left.

    You don't seem to have a problem with the left biased sites, so why should I have a problem with right biased sites?
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    We know they are biased and take it into account?
    You know it's biased and you don't care.
    See the difference?
    We know the difference between an opinion piece and a news article.
    You don't make that distinction?
    See the difference?
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    ALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Well, it's no secret that our social assistance programs are far too generous. Hell, they get free cell phones!
    If I were to strip you of every single possession you have, drop you in a foreign country with a foreign language without any electronic devices, how would you go about to get a job, get a bank account, determine what paperwork needs filling? You might succeed, but it would be an absolute nightmare. This is 2019, you can't actually live in a society without any internet access / mobile or computer.

    But note that almost all of them refer to their tax REFUNDS, not the total amount of taxes.
    Because that's the only thing that matter? If I need to pay 500k in taxes and get 499.8K in refunds, that's what counts? That's not even an argument.

    For example: For decades, I've had my withholding set so that at the end of the year, I owe maybe $25-$50 bucks. I've carefully set this up to avoid giving the govt. an interest-free loan for the year, as well as protecting myself from having to wait for whatever delay might occur with the refund process (NY State has occasionally threatened to delay refunds as part of the annual budget fight in the past.)
    You're one of those that think they're smart for withholding taxes. Flash news, you're not. Withholding taxes and paying the full amount at the end of the year is exactly the same thing. The only advantage of doing that is for folks that don't have the cash at hand at the end of the year, nothing more.

    If you were smart, what you would do instead is use the monies you're withholding and invest in funds or any other types of investments, collect interests out of it, and pay your full amount at the end of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    If I were to strip you of every single possession you have, drop you in a foreign country with a foreign language without any electronic devices, how would you go about to get a job, get a bank account, determine what paperwork needs filling? You might succeed, but it would be an absolute nightmare. This is 2019, you can't actually live in a society without any internet access / mobile or computer.
    Why would I go to a foreign country?

    Is there any public library that doesn't provide computers/internet these days? A gmail/yahoo email address is free. Sorry, that excuse doesn't fly.

    In point of fact, that is exactly how I obtained my current job. I had been out of work for some time, so no device/home inet, and this place only accepted electronic applications. I seem to have gotten the job.



    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    Because that's the only thing that matter? If I need to pay 500k in taxes and get 499.8K in refunds, that's what counts? That's not even an argument.



    You're one of those that think they're smart for withholding taxes. Flash news, you're not. Withholding taxes and paying the full amount at the end of the year is exactly the same thing. The only advantage of doing that is for folks that don't have the cash at hand at the end of the year, nothing more.

    If you were smart, what you would do instead is use the monies you're withholding and invest in funds or any other types of investments, collect interests out of it, and pay your full amount at the end of the year.
    Unless, of course you lose your shirt in the wall street casino, or your investment firm pulls some chicanery and walks off with your money.
    I've seem that scenario play out numerous times in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Why would I go to a foreign country?
    I don't give a clap if you want to stay in MAGA land forever. Off-topic.

    Is there any public library that doesn't provide computers/internet these days? A gmail/yahoo email address is free. Sorry, that excuse doesn't fly.
    I agree, but even most public libraries will not let you in unless you have a membership card (it's how it works around here), the libraries are financed through municipal taxes here therefore it's legit and for that you need an official ID, which is not always the case with refugees. Coffee shops will require you to A) consume products to stay on site or B) charge you by the hour / minute for using the internet. Not ideal for someone who has no money to spare.

    In point of fact, that is exactly how I obtained my current job. I had been out of work for some time, so no device/home inet, and this place only accepted electronic applications. I seem to have gotten the job.
    I'm not saying it's impossible to do so, what I'm saying is that providing a phone makes it 1000x easier for them to get a job. They can get calls for interviews invitations, easier to do follow-up by email, etc. You complain about welfare leeches, this small investment of a few hundred dollars can speed up the process of those assets becoming profitable.

    Unless, of course you lose your shirt in the wall street casino, or your investment firm pulls some chicanery and walks off with your money.
    I've seem that scenario play out numerous times in the past.
    Bad investment strategy. You don't need to buy into Wall-Street Shenanigans, there are much more options available for investors. Your portfolio should be multi-facets at all times to cover risky investments, such as investment funds. Unless you're a gambler or clueless, you can't really lose money. It's all about balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Who says that that's all they are raised on? It's just lunch, for cripe's sake. I maintain that a couple who make 60K can feed their own kids.

    Where? The tax reform promised a reduction in tax liability for lower/middle classes, not fatter refunds. That's exactly what we got.
    I just noticed you keep focusing on 60K...you do realize that 60K does not qualify, right? It's under 60K. Which, by the way, is beyond the point. The point is that by everyone else's standards, our system is far from generous. You were talking to a Canadian trying to pass off our welfare as generous, when compared to their system, ours is quite comparable if not smaller actually. You were trying to shock him into "how much" money we give, when in reality to him that was nothing shocking. They get free healthcare up there for crying out loud. Though, ironically, the one place where we do got the Canadians beated is in school lunches.

    Also, the issue here is also (can I use also twice?) that 60k for a family isn't an extravagant amount either, especially if you consider that rent can go as high as 15k a year with transportation capable of costing 2k assuming the whole family spends only an average of $40 of gas per week (considering that many people do commute long distances for work, it can be nearly twice as much). No family can do with less than $100 for groceries per week, unless they are trimming fat (literally, figuratively, and at possibly at unhealthy levels) or at least not if you want to eat healthy foods, so that's $5,200. Take taxes into account and that's one parent's income. Then you need car insurance, telecom bills, clothing, health insurance, Car and house maintenance, Utilities, and medical bills not covered by insurance companies. Sure 60K can cover that, but just barely with no room for any sort of disposable income. No mortgage, no new cars, no real luxuries or much in the way of middle class level "extras".

    You go below 60K and you have to start making sacrifices. $700 a year in school lunches for one kid does all of a sudden make a difference.

    And before you go into the "you shouldn't have kids" nonsense, you do realize that if everyone waited until they made 60k individually before having kids, that this country would have a demographic crises worse than anything in either China or Japan? We are talking societal collapse. Families are the bases of any civilization, without them there is no civilization. We as a society have a vested interest in people having kids, at least 2.1 kids per woman (the 0.1 for those that don't end up having kids for whatever reason. If we all adopt your "Only the rich should have kids" approach or even limit lower middle class and working class families to 1 kid, we would fall well below 2.1 kids per woman to the point where it would be irreversible. So yes, even if 50K or 55K or 59K salaries per household could (with creative accounting and sensible austerity) do without free or reduced meals in schools, for the benefit of American (and by extent Western) Civilization, I say it's not a bad thing at all and it is well worth the cost.

    I'll go even further, if it means keeping our civilization up, I'd even bump it up to 70k to account for inflation.

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    this one's interesting too
    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...newday-vpx.cnn

    I've always wondered about this one - what are her views on capital punishment?

    this is one of the 'crucial' topics yet wiki says nothing & even google can't tell (she did once ask for some clemency for a death row convict but that was a jihadist so doesn't count)

    does she support it as her religion does or oppose it as a democrat should?

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    So congress might be agreeing on some kind of budget that is good news.

    But then we have to wait for Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity to approve of this because the President needs their OK first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    does she support it as her religion does or oppose it as a democrat should?
    It's a valid question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    It's a valid question.
    No, it's a stupid, partisan HACK of a question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aretood2 View Post
    I just noticed you keep focusing on 60K...you do realize that 60K does not qualify, right? It's under 60K. Which, by the way, is beyond the point. The point is that by everyone else's standards, our system is far from generous. You were talking to a Canadian trying to pass off our welfare as generous, when compared to their system, ours is quite comparable if not smaller actually. You were trying to shock him into "how much" money we give, when in reality to him that was nothing shocking. They get free healthcare up there for crying out loud. Though, ironically, the one place where we do got the Canadians beated is in school lunches.

    Also, the issue here is also (can I use also twice?) that 60k for a family isn't an extravagant amount either, especially if you consider that rent can go as high as 15k a year with transportation capable of costing 2k assuming the whole family spends only an average of $40 of gas per week (considering that many people do commute long distances for work, it can be nearly twice as much). No family can do with less than $100 for groceries per week, unless they are trimming fat (literally, figuratively, and at possibly at unhealthy levels) or at least not if you want to eat healthy foods, so that's $5,200. Take taxes into account and that's one parent's income. Then you need car insurance, telecom bills, clothing, health insurance, Car and house maintenance, Utilities, and medical bills not covered by insurance companies. Sure 60K can cover that, but just barely with no room for any sort of disposable income. No mortgage, no new cars, no real luxuries or much in the way of middle class level "extras".

    You go below 60K and you have to start making sacrifices. $700 a year in school lunches for one kid does all of a sudden make a difference.

    And before you go into the "you shouldn't have kids" nonsense, you do realize that if everyone waited until they made 60k individually before having kids, that this country would have a demographic crises worse than anything in either China or Japan? We are talking societal collapse. Families are the bases of any civilization, without them there is no civilization. We as a society have a vested interest in people having kids, at least 2.1 kids per woman (the 0.1 for those that don't end up having kids for whatever reason. If we all adopt your "Only the rich should have kids" approach or even limit lower middle class and working class families to 1 kid, we would fall well below 2.1 kids per woman to the point where it would be irreversible. So yes, even if 50K or 55K or 59K salaries per household could (with creative accounting and sensible austerity) do without free or reduced meals in schools, for the benefit of American (and by extent Western) Civilization, I say it's not a bad thing at all and it is well worth the cost.

    I'll go even further, if it means keeping our civilization up, I'd even bump it up to 70k to account for inflation.
    Did you not cite the figure of 60K as the eligibility point for free/discounted school lunch programs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    So congress might be agreeing on some kind of budget that is good news.

    But then we have to wait for Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity to approve of this because the President needs their OK first.
    Have you noticed the media is using the phrase "in principal" in their coverage?

    This ain't a done deal, not by a long shot. It doesn't have anywhere near the level of funding for the wall that Trump wants, and it ain't a deal till Trump signs off on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Have you noticed the media is using the phrase "in principal" in their coverage?

    This ain't a done deal, not by a long shot. It doesn't have anywhere near the level of funding for the wall that Trump wants, and it ain't a deal till Trump signs off on it.
    I think you missed coco's point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    I think you missed coco's point.
    My point is that it isn't a deal till POTUS signs it, and I don't think he will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    No, it's a stupid, partisan HACK of a question.
    I disagree. I think this is the perfect example to point out some contradictions of mixing religion and politics.

    What happens when the immovable object meet the unstoppable force? Say an ultra-conservative Christian runs for the democrats, which are pro-abortion, what does that make him? Is he a fake Christian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    I disagree. I think this is the perfect example to point out some contradictions of mixing religion and politics.

    What happens when the immovable object meet the unstoppable force? Say an ultra-conservative Christian runs for the democrats, which are pro-abortion, what does that make him? Is he a fake Christian?
    Ahhh, you understood my point..
    Here is the issue.
    Does religious obligation override political motivation?
    More simply, does my choice matter more than yours?
    Trump believes it's only his choice that matters, and with that mindset, he will never "win".
    He has failed with every venture outside of self promotion, he even lost at casino's and had them turn belly up.
    If you want to endorse a leader who ONLY cares about themselves, you are inviting fascism into your society, and accepting that you yourself are fascist.

    It does not matter WHO your leader is, all that matters is how you deal with them.
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