The Political Discussion Thread

[aretood2]

You folks sound like little kids discussing what Santa Claus is going to bring you this year.

Ok Boomer

[Gatefan1976]

You folks sound like little kids discussing what Santa Claus is going to bring you this year.

Soul, you need to learn to put your hands in your own pockets.

And only involvement the courts have in a Senate impeachment trial is the chief justice, in this case John Roberts presides over the trial, running it by rules set by the Senate Republicans, in this case. SCOTUS as a whole doesn't get involved.

In other words.
What my political bias is, and **** the law.

[Gatefan1976]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...mocracy-decade

[Gatefan1976]

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/de...INAL%20v.3.pdf

[Gatefan1976]

[Gatefan1976]

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-a...09-p53i0s.html

[Gatefan1976]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-...rratic-old-man

[Gatefan1976]

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/09/p...sia/index.html

[Falcon Horus]

Question of the day: "How many times does everyone flush the toilet?"

Trump says 10 to 15 times per time going. I think he needs to hire a plumber to check the WH's plumbing cause that ain't normal.

Must be all that junkfood in the pipes.

And how the hell can they reverse an ectopic pregnancy and "put the baby back" inside. It's medically impossible.

It is medically impossible but science isn't these people's strongest side, I guess.

What do "socialists" have to do with this?

Don't worry, the socialist are quite used to receiving the blame.
Even if they were never involved, they'll take it on the chin.

I half expect Trump to refuse to leave when his presidency is over

He'll have to be forcefully removed, mark my words.

- claim the election was somehow rigged against him by those not in power (the opposition). funny thing is he's alluded to this several times & the Dems were never smart enough to call him out on this hypocrisy

- declare martial law & postpone the election sine die (a terrorist attack in the US would be providential)

I think he has some new phone calls to make.
Maybe Saudi Arabia can be convinced to fly some planes in a few towers. They have some experience with that.

I'd rather him to be stripped of his fortune down to the last cent (redistributed to something he never gave money to: charity)...

You assume he actually still has money... I think he doesn't, or at least not as much as he wished he had.

Ok Boomer

[SoulReaver]

Question of the day: "How many times does everyone flush the toilet?"

Trump says 10 to 15 times per time going. I think he needs to hire a plumber to check the WH's plumbing cause that ain't normal.

he's just generalizing his own case

have you seen his diet
modern toilets ain't meant to take that sorta stress

He'll have to be forcefully removed, mark my words.

and to think just 3y ago people said he'd quit (and I was trying to talk sense into them)

You assume he actually still has money... I think he doesn't, or at least not as much as he wished he had.

wish people would stop saying that
you do realize this theory actually helps him right?

[Annoyed]

Question of the day: "How many times does everyone flush the toilet?"

Trump says 10 to 15 times per time going. I think he needs to hire a plumber to check the WH's plumbing cause that ain't normal.

Must be all that junkfood in the pipes.

The prior occupant of the White House probably put those water saving toilets in. in addition, the plumbing is still probably full of shiznit from the prior administration.

But quite seriously:

Like all appliances designed primarily to conserve water or energy, they suck. I've got one of the damned things, and I usually have to flush it two or three (at least) times to dispose of a good # 2. I never had that problem with the old full-flusher. Exactly how does that conserve water?

In a related vein, last summer, the 40 year old G.E. dishwasher in this place finally gave up the ghost. I took it apart, determined the failed component, and that that component was no longer available. So it had washed its last dish.

Couldn't find a used one that would fit in the cabinet space that was cut for it. I'm damned good with electrical and mechanical repairs and such, but your average 10 year old is better at wood shop and carpentry that I could ever think of being. So reworking the cabinetry wasn't an option. Had to buy a new one that would go into the existing space.

I bought a mid-range Bosch model, that came highly recommended by Consumer Reports. Of course, this met all the modern energy and water usage specs required by the govt. at the behest of the enviros.

OEM wiring specs called for home run to a circuit breaker that was rated for at least 12 amps. The old unit spec. was 8 amps. So I knew right off the bat that it drew more electricity. Running a new line to the breaker box was no problem, as I said, I'm good with that crap.

Once I got it installed, I realized it's cycle time was roughly 2 hours & change. Compared to 45 minutes for the old unit.
These run times were documented in the manual, so it is working as designed.

And now that I've been using it for a few months, I realize have to run it 3 times, where I only needed to run the old one twice.

So, the new one draws more electricity to operate, and the run time is more than twice that of the old one. So a rough guess is it uses 3x the electricity to do a load, and I have to run it more frequently. Again, how does this save resources?

It may use less water per load; I don't have specs available for the old one. But of the resources it uses, water is the most easily replaceable, because it doesn't actually "use it" It's discharge goes to the sewer system, which treats & reuses the water anyway.

Myself, I haven't had to replace the clothes washer, that also is 1980's vintage. But immediate family members have had to do so, and the new washers have the same problems; long run times, heavier current draw. In addition, from everything I've heard, the new enviro compliant washers do a horrible job actually washing the clothes. (at least the dishwasher does a good job with the dishes)

In fact, I happened upon a 1990's era washing machine in very good condtion at a garage sale last summer, and even though I have had no problems with the current washer, after checking it, I bought it, just to have it on hand if/when the existing one fails. I don't want one of the new pieces of junk.

So, from direct experience with enviro compliant toilets and dishwashers, and close hearsay experience with clothes washers, they use more resources and do a poorer job at what they are supposed to do. What exactly is the benefit of the enviro's standards? Simply to demonstrate control over how people live their lives? 'Cause it certainly isn't to conserve resources.

[Gatefan1976]

Perhaps you are just full of Sh*t?

[Annoyed]

Perhaps you are just full of Sh*t?

No doubt, but that generally doesn't go into the dishwasher.

[Falcon Horus]

The prior occupant of the White House probably put those water saving toilets in. in addition, the plumbing is still probably full of shiznit from the prior administration.

In all seriousness... how old is that building? It probably still has its original plumbing.

Anywho...

No doubt, but that generally doesn't go into the dishwasher.

[mad_gater]

The prior occupant of the White House probably put those water saving toilets in. in addition, the plumbing is still probably full of shiznit from the prior administration.

But quite seriously:

Like all appliances designed primarily to conserve water or energy, they suck. I've got one of the damned things, and I usually have to flush it two or three (at least) times to dispose of a good # 2. I never had that problem with the old full-flusher. Exactly how does that conserve water?

In a related vein, last summer, the 40 year old G.E. dishwasher in this place finally gave up the ghost. I took it apart, determined the failed component, and that that component was no longer available. So it had washed its last dish.

Couldn't find a used one that would fit in the cabinet space that was cut for it. I'm damned good with electrical and mechanical repairs and such, but your average 10 year old is better at wood shop and carpentry that I could ever think of being. So reworking the cabinetry wasn't an option. Had to buy a new one that would go into the existing space.

I bought a mid-range Bosch model, that came highly recommended by Consumer Reports. Of course, this met all the modern energy and water usage specs required by the govt. at the behest of the enviros.

OEM wiring specs called for home run to a circuit breaker that was rated for at least 12 amps. The old unit spec. was 8 amps. So I knew right off the bat that it drew more electricity. Running a new line to the breaker box was no problem, as I said, I'm good with that crap.

Once I got it installed, I realized it's cycle time was roughly 2 hours & change. Compared to 45 minutes for the old unit.
These run times were documented in the manual, so it is working as designed.

And now that I've been using it for a few months, I realize have to run it 3 times, where I only needed to run the old one twice.

So, the new one draws more electricity to operate, and the run time is more than twice that of the old one. So a rough guess is it uses 3x the electricity to do a load, and I have to run it more frequently. Again, how does this save resources?

It may use less water per load; I don't have specs available for the old one. But of the resources it uses, water is the most easily replaceable, because it doesn't actually "use it" It's discharge goes to the sewer system, which treats & reuses the water anyway.

Myself, I haven't had to replace the clothes washer, that also is 1980's vintage. But immediate family members have had to do so, and the new washers have the same problems; long run times, heavier current draw. In addition, from everything I've heard, the new enviro compliant washers do a horrible job actually washing the clothes. (at least the dishwasher does a good job with the dishes)

In fact, I happened upon a 1990's era washing machine in very good condtion at a garage sale last summer, and even though I have had no problems with the current washer, after checking it, I bought it, just to have it on hand if/when the existing one fails. I don't want one of the new pieces of junk.

So, from direct experience with enviro compliant toilets and dishwashers, and close hearsay experience with clothes washers, they use more resources and do a poorer job at what they are supposed to do. What exactly is the benefit of the enviro's standards? Simply to demonstrate control over how people live their lives? 'Cause it certainly isn't to conserve resources.

I doubt that even Thermochem (a high-octane drain opener that's pretty much near 100% pure sulfuric acid) would dissolve the blockages present in the WH's plumbing waste lines