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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    What's your point then? Choices (stupid in your own words) have been made. Society has to deal with the outcomes. What do you propose? Send the kids to Peter Pan?
    Quote Originally Posted by Womble View Post
    What precisely is the evidence in favor of your theory?

    Because there's a sizable body of research that refutes the concept of humans as rational agents, faithfully seeking maximum utility achievable given current knowledge. We are constantly under influence of a multitude of cognitive biases and emotional states which make our decision-making sub-optimal to say the least. If you're free of those, you run on a lithium battery.

    There is plentiful statistical evidence that telling people to "keep their pants on" does not in fact reduce pregnancy rates, including in no-welfare societies. It's up there with "don't forget" at the bottom of the pile of useless phrases.
    In the US, at least, for the past 3/4 century or so, there has been the background knowledge that the state(taxpayers) will pick up the tab for people's stupid decisions. This is part of the background fabric of the society.

    What I suspect will happen is that if that is removed; it becomes part of the background fabric that no one will pick up the tab for people's stupid choices, they will have a far more powerful incentive to not screw up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    You still don't grasp the simple concept of keeping your pants on, do you?
    You still don't grasp the simple concept of what's done is done, do you?

    if you can make a time machine to go back to the past & tell the woman to keep her pants on & prevent the embryo from being created in the first place then hey do it you'll secure a Nobel too

    and your smartphone's also innocent

    And the unborn are innocent. Not true of criminals.
    reality check they're the same person unless you think a body-swap happened somewhere along the way

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    I do not concede that we are animals
    I thought you weren't religious?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    You still don't grasp the simple concept of what's done is done, do you?

    if you can make a time machine to go back to the past & tell the woman to keep her pants on & prevent the embryo from being created in the first place then hey do it you'll secure a Nobel too
    There is no need to invent a time machine. If the man and woman keep their pants on to begin with, the problem never occurs. People should be responsible for their poor choices. If some isn't in a position to raise a child, they have no business creating one.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    and your smartphone's also innocent

    reality check they're the same person unless you think a body-swap happened somewhere along the way

    I thought you weren't religious?
    The infant (born or unborn) is innocent. If it makes poor choices in its life, such as to bomb schools/churches/whatever, it is no longer innocent due to those choices. And it should be held responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    There is no need to invent a time machine. If the man and woman keep their pants on to begin with, the problem never occurs. People should be responsible for their poor choices. If some isn't in a position to raise a child, they have no business creating one.
    cept you're also making an innocent person pay (for the poor choices of the parents) by denying them help


    The infant (born or unborn) is innocent. If it makes poor choices in its life, such as to bomb schools/churches/whatever, it is no longer innocent due to those choices. And it should be held responsible.
    yet it's the same person for whose life you fought & now push to have it terminated

    which goes to show the true goal of the GOP & Prolife(tm) movement which is Government control


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    cept you're also making an innocent person pay (for the poor choices of the parents) by denying them help
    No, I'm saying that the parents should do whatever they have to do to take care of their own offspring which they created. If they have to quit whatever they are doing and work 4 crappy low-wage jobs to do that, so be it. That child is the result of their choices, and it is their responsibility. No one else. If someone doesn't want to accept that, they can keep their pants on and the issue never arises.


    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    yet it's the same person for whose life you fought & now push to have it terminated

    which goes to show the true goal of the GOP & Prolife(tm) movement which is Government control
    So, if someone decides to blow up a public structure & kill a crapload of people, they shouldn't be held accountable?
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    Politics in two sentences.

    Some people want to push problems away.
    Others want to solve the problems.

    Fact is there is a problem, question is, how will you fix it? Whining about social welfare leeches and the likes brings nothing constructive, what is your solution?

    I wouldn't be opposed to charging an extra to those that made a ''bad choice'' for abortion. That's a middle ground. Banning it, is not, the problem is still there pushing it in the corner won't make it go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    No, I'm saying that the parents should do whatever they have to do to take care of their own offspring which they created. If they have to quit whatever they are doing and work 4 crappy low-wage jobs to do that, so be it
    so what if they still can't afford to help? or they just don't want to sacrifice their life & work 4 jobs - would you have Government make them work, commie style? or would you have the offspring punished by denying them help where the parents won't give any?

    again, be consistent - they could've prevented all that will a quick back office procedure but you denied them that so what next?

    So, if someone decides to blow up a public structure & kill a crapload of people, they shouldn't be held accountable?
    not by your standards (I'm good with holding them accountable but then again my standards are consistent unlike yours)

    those are your views so accept responsibility, ring a bell?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    No, I'm saying that the parents should do whatever they have to do to take care of their own offspring which they created. If they have to quit whatever they are doing and work 4 crappy low-wage jobs to do that, so be it. That child is the result of their choices, and it is their responsibility. No one else. If someone doesn't want to accept that, they can keep their pants on and the issue never arises.
    Yet, you miss the basic premise.
    It's THEIR choice to have sex
    It's not YOUR choice on how they deal with it.
    Your whole argument in based around punishment, enforced by the law on the will of the minority.
    It's the same reason you like the EC, political leadership based on the will of the minority.
    So, if someone decides to blow up a public structure & kill a crapload of people, they shouldn't be held accountable?
    The operative word there is PEPOLE, or more correctly, PERSON. A person choosing to have an abortion has no affect on you, none.
    You just want your minority view to have a say on the majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    so what if they still can't afford to help? or they just don't want to sacrifice their life & work 4 jobs - would you have Government make them work, commie style? or would you have the offspring punished by denying them help where the parents won't give any?
    Sorry, that's the potential price of that particular game. If you don't want to take that chance, don't play that game. It is their choice whether or not to have sex. No one else's. If you don't want to take that chance, don't have sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Sorry, that's the potential price of that particular game. If you don't want to take that chance, don't play that game. It is their choice whether or not to have sex. No one else's. If you don't want to take that chance, don't have sex.
    Why should your minority have the ability to pass legal judgement?
    It's not about sex, it's about the repercussions that you want to control.
    It's not up to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Sorry, that's the potential price of that particular game. If you don't want to take that chance, don't play that game. It is their choice whether or not to have sex. No one else's. If you don't want to take that chance, don't have sex.
    remember all your complaints about latino migrants? it's your fault don't cause chaos in south america then see easy peasy


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    remember all your complaints about latino migrants? it's your fault don't cause chaos in south america then see easy peasy
    He cannot see beyond himself.
    America should have put it's imperialism pants on, but Annoyed and his party were to eager to whip them off. Now that we hold him accountable, he claims it was not him, no matter how much he voted for it, and is willing to destroy the system to do it.
    He seeded the nightmare that is, but he does not want to accept responsibility for it.
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    Yet, you miss the basic premise.
    It's THEIR choice to have sex
    And the consequences of that choice are their responsibility, no one else's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    And the consequences of that choice are their responsibility, no one else's.
    Cool, Let's make America pay for it.
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    I'm lost, what are you guys debating about now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    I'm lost, what are you guys debating about now?
    GF, Soul are making the the argument that people shouldn't be responsible for their own choices; that others should pick up the tab for them. Typical liberal BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    I'm lost, what are you guys debating about now?
    I tried scrolling back...but I already have a headache. I don't want to exacerbate the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    I'm lost, what are you guys debating about now?
    Annoyed's making the argument that people should be responsible for their own choices but that they also shouldn't be responsible for their own choices. typical conservative bollox :/


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    Quote Originally Posted by LtColCarter View Post
    I tried scrolling back...but I already have a headache. I don't want to exacerbate the situation.
    It's simple. Annoyed makes some ignorant statement. Someone calls him out
    He claims liberal bias and we repeat
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    You forgot the part about claiming the hypocrisy bacon
    Spoiler:
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