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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    Bolton has a bit of a war boner.

    I'm not so sure Iran did anything to those oil tankers. Brings to mind the Gulf Of Tonkin where the US faked stuff to get into a fight. Or Cheney and his lies.
    The list of potential suspects is quite narrow, Iran being the first on top of it. Who else would it be? Guided missile technology, there's not that many countries that have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    The list of potential suspects is quite narrow, Iran being the first on top of it. Who else would it be? Guided missile technology, there's not that many countries that have it.


    How about plain old sabotage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    1: The Steele document was originally commissioned by Repubs, Hillary took over after.
    2: Chris Steele is not a foreign Government.
    3: The research was handed over to the FBI, the only reason we know about it is because it was leaked to the media
    4: Many parts (but not all) of the Dossier have been confirmed.
    In other words, it was LAWFUL.

    No, they should not, and you should learn the law.

    Not from a foreign power. This is the key difference. Accepting "a thing of value" from a foreign power, be they enemy or ally for the goal of influencing your election is ILLEGAL and a VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION and a VIOLATION OF THE OATH OF OFFICE.
    You and annoyed, for people claiming to love the constitution know very little about it, and less about your own legal system.
    IF Hillary did what you claim she did, then sure, investigate her. I wouldn't even call it a witch hunt, just a fact of the legal due process, but she didn't, so your point is, pointless.

    The Mueller investigation actually turned a profit on Paul Mannafort alone, money that went straight back in to the US government.
    It was investigated because that's how you determine guilt or innocence, and the report determined trump's actions did not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy. If the moron would just shut his mouth about it, and stop tweeting about it, it would be done with, but he can't.
    Ken Starr spent 6 years and spent 3 times the amount of money (YOUR BLESSED TAXPAYER MONEY) and got a single count of obstruction of justice with no underlying crime. Benghazi investigations cost 7 million and produced NOTHING, even with a 800 page report. Your concerns over taxpayer money are false.

    Originally posted by SGalisa:

    Strong bit of hypocrisy there by every anti-Trump person on this planet if they supported any portion of that Dossier for the entire 2+plus years, while it went on, and *some* are still supporting hanging on to Trump being in cahoots with Russia, when mostly everyone --including the DEMs themselves-- knows it was Hilary Clinton's *dump Trump* ACE card in the rabbit hole.
    Got anything to back that up?

    Wrong.
    Violation does NOT go "both ways", you either do it, or you don't. It's not a quid pro quo situation, no matter what you "believe" Repubs started the Steele Dossier by employing a multinational company to investigate trump, which was entirely legal, Hillary picked it up afterwards, ALSO entirely legal.
    So no, the Dems didn't start it, the Republican presidential candidates of 2016 started it.
    Memory rewind...
    Here's the scoop for those convenient *short-term memories* bouts.

    "Memo: FBI Used Tainted Steele Dossier, Paid For By Hillary Clinton, As Reason To Spy On Trump "
    Editorials (Investor's Business Daily, Inc.), 02/02/2018

    . . .GOP members of the House Intelligence Committee, led by Chairman Devin Nunes, released the declassified memo Friday. . .
    The memo's findings are, at minimum, disturbing and, at worst, suggest the law was broken. Assuming the memo's factual accuracy, it paints an unflattering picture of the Obama-era FBI and Justice Department and their conduct in investigating the Trump campaign.
    . . .

    Steele was paid $160,000 to create the Trump dossier for Fusion GPS. The Hillary Clinton presidential campaign and Democratic National Committee financed the work. So the FBI and Justice Department used opposition research from a presidential campaign to launch an investigation into that campaign's political opponent — a likely illegal use of federal government surveillance for political purposes.
    . . .
    Let us stipulate that this memo is itself a partisan product of a Republican-dominated committee of Congress. Democrats, for their side of the matter, have their own memo and claim that essential facts have been omitted from the GOP's. But none of the central facts of the memo, so far, have been disproved.
    . . .
    Being charitable, it's possible to conclude that, during an intensely contentious presidential campaign, Obama administration Justice and FBI officials innocently sought FISA warrants against a peripheral Trump campaign volunteer based on a document they knew — or should have known — was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC. And that their decisions later to withhold information from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court were equally innocent of any malicious political intent.
    . . .
    And amazingly CNN reinforces the "Hillary Clinton paid for" angle. BTW, how can someone finance something if they weren't in control of it, to begin with? Steel would never have made the Dossier without the payment(s)... unless he's just so hateful against Trump, that it didn't matter when payment (might come) came.

    "Clinton campaign, DNC helped fund dossier research"
    By Eli Watkins, Dan Merica and Katelyn Polantz, CNN
    Updated 8:31 PM ET, Wed October 25, 2017


    Washington (CNN)The law firm for the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee has acknowledged its clients' role in paying for opposition research on Donald Trump that helped fund the now-infamous dossier of allegations about the now-President and Russia.
    . . .
    As for blaming this all on Republicans starting it... Oh, Senator John McCain...? yeah, well, McCain may have been listed as a "Republican" who received the info for the dossier, but McCain was also working for the DEMocratic agenda (to oust Trump as POTUS). He was originally a DEMocrat, turned Republican to upset the balance of the political scales, if need be... a RINO, in other words. So, McCain was basically an anti-Trumper to begin with, and wolfy DEMocrat at heart in Republican disguise. MOST RINO's do work that way... when they work for the DEM agenda instead.


    Therefore, end result----DEMs are (mostly) responsible for this Dossier fiasco. Senator John McCain (R/former DEM) was just their "fall guy" who fell for it (the bait). The rest is history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    BTW, how can someone finance something if they weren't in control of it, to begin with?
    Easy, in a business only the primary shareholder has executive powers (51% or more of total stocks).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    Memory rewind...
    Here's the scoop for those convenient *short-term memories* bouts.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier

    In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In April 2016, attorneys for Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016.[2] In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier. Clinton campaign officials were reportedly unaware that Fusion GPS had subcontracted Steele, and he was not told that the Clinton campaign was the recipient of his research.[9][10][verification needed] Following Trump's election as president, funding from Clinton and the DNC ceased, but Steele continued his research and was reportedly paid directly by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn R. Simpson.[11] While compiling the dossier, Steele passed information to both British and American intelligence services.[12][13]

    The republicans started it. I never denied Hillary ran with it. What I said was that it was not illegal.
    Keep moving them posts.

    And amazingly CNN reinforces the "Hillary Clinton paid for" angle. BTW, how can someone finance something if they weren't in control of it, to begin with? Steel would never have made the Dossier without the payment(s)... unless he's just so hateful against Trump, that it didn't matter when payment (might come) came.
    Because Hillary DID pay for it afterwards?
    Not used to truth in reporting, are you?


    As for blaming this all on Republicans starting it... Oh, Senator John McCain...?
    Wasn't McCain, do some research.
    yeah, well, McCain may have been listed as a "Republican" who received the info for the dossier, but McCain was also working for the DEMocratic agenda (to oust Trump as POTUS). He was originally a DEMocrat, turned Republican to upset the balance of the political scales, if need be... a RINO, in other words. So, McCain was basically an anti-Trumper to begin with, and wolfy DEMocrat at heart in Republican disguise. MOST RINO's do work that way... when they work for the DEM agenda instead.
    You DO know Trump has been a democrat for most of his life, right?
    But sure, let the conspiracy theories replace any form of sanity...……..
    Therefore, end result----DEMs are (mostly) responsible for this Dossier fiasco. Senator John McCain (R/former DEM) was just their "fall guy" who fell for it (the bait). The rest is history.
    Do you shadow write trump tweets?
    This is as "factual" as most of his
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    You wanna know how the Democrats think?

    At Dems' Event on Poverty, No One Talked About Jobs

    Nine Democratic presidential hopefuls, including front-runners Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, flocked to the Poor People's Moral Action Congress on Monday, each trying to outpander their rivals and promise the most government handouts.

    It was an alarming spectacle for anyone who works for a living. These Democratic candidates don't believe jobs are the way to end poverty. For them, "work" is a four-letter word. Their approach is to take money from working stiffs and give it to slackers.
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