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    #61
    Originally posted by mad_gater View Post
    oh yeah...having the government control every facet of your personal life.....oh yeah it's the cat's meow......boy I'd love nothin' more than to have the government take control of all my money and spend it in ways I have no control over at all....how could anyone resist such a tempting offer?
    Im the wrong person to use that argument on, trust me.

    Given the ammount of crap and useless ******** i see people spending their so called "hard earned" money on day by day and the amount of people fooled by the stupidist scams and cons, they could do with someone telling them what to do.
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      #62
      Originally posted by mad_gater View Post
      oh yeah...having the government control every facet of your personal life.....oh yeah it's the cat's meow......boy I'd love nothin' more than to have the government take control of all my money and spend it in ways I have no control over at all....how could anyone resist such a tempting offer?
      To be entirely fair though that is more on the total communism side of things. Socialism is the great bridge in between Capiltilsim and Communism, as such you can have 'Socialist lite'. The more socialist you go, the less freedoms you tend to have and the more corruption tends to enter the system.
      Originally posted by Ukko View Post
      Im the wrong person to use that argument on, trust me.

      Given the ammount of crap and useless ******** i see people spending their so called "hard earned" money on day by day and the amount of people fooled by the stupidist scams and cons, they could do with someone telling them what to do.
      Its their money though.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Col.Foley View Post
        To be entirely fair though that is more on the total communism side of things. Socialism is the great bridge in between Capiltilsim and Communism, as such you can have 'Socialist lite'. The more socialist you go, the less freedoms you tend to have and the more corruption tends to enter the system.


        Its their money though.
        They need to learn how to use it propperly.
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          #64
          Originally posted by Ukko View Post
          They need to learn how to use it propperly.
          And who are you to judge what is a proper use of ones money and what is not a proper use of ones money? And just because they, in your opinion, do not know how to use it properly means that you suddenly have the right to take it from them and then use it however you want to? And what gurantee do you have that you or the people that you give it to will be any more wise and frugal with the money that you just took in the first place because of the improperly done spending?

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            #65
            Originally posted by Col.Foley View Post
            To be entirely fair though that is more on the total communism side of things. Socialism is the great bridge in between Capiltilsim and Communism, as such you can have 'Socialist lite'. The more socialist you go, the less freedoms you tend to have and the more corruption tends to enter the system.
            That is the biggest load of ignorant bull about socialism I've ever heard.
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              #66
              Originally posted by s09119 View Post
              That is the biggest load of ignorant bull about socialism I've ever heard.
              No its not, its straight from the mouth of Marx.

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                #67
                Originally posted by s09119 View Post
                I'm cool with that.
                me too - after all, we've paid for government, we've appointed government, why shouldn't we expect them to do things for us? Government is our servant. We've given them money collectively to do things for all of us, things we, as a country, choose are important for them to do. I don't see what the big deal is with it either.
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by xxxevilgrinxxx View Post
                  me too - after all, we've paid for government, we've appointed government, why shouldn't we expect them to do things for us? Government is our servant. We've given them money collectively to do things for all of us, things we, as a country, choose are important for them to do. I don't see what the big deal is with it either.
                  Yes Government is our servant, in Socialism Government becomes the master.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Col.Foley View Post
                    Yes Government is our servant, in Socialism Government becomes the master.
                    That is an exagerration to say the least to just plain incorrect.
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                    Jelgate is right

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by jelgate View Post
                      That is an exagerration to say the least to just plain incorrect.
                      Point of view I guess.

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                        #71
                        "when people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty"

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by mad_gater View Post
                          "when people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty"
                          Go TJ

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by xxxevilgrinxxx View Post
                            me too - after all, we've paid for government, we've appointed government, why shouldn't we expect them to do things for us? Government is our servant. We've given them money collectively to do things for all of us, things we, as a country, choose are important for them to do. I don't see what the big deal is with it either.
                            yes....we hire government, but to do only one thing.....govern.....which means to make, sign, and enforce fair and just laws based on representative input of the people and ensure their safety both locally and as a nation....nowhere in the "job description" does governing mean "to give handouts"

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by Col.Foley View Post
                              And who are you to judge what is a proper use of ones money and what is not a proper use of ones money? And just because they, in your opinion, do not know how to use it properly means that you suddenly have the right to take it from them and then use it however you want to? And what gurantee do you have that you or the people that you give it to will be any more wise and frugal with the money that you just took in the first place because of the improperly done spending?
                              indeed....just who the frell are you Ukko to decide how I should spend my money.......if I wanted to buy a crapload of chocolate with it and eat it all myself and make myself sick with it that's MY choice....not yours or nobody else's, not even government's......thankfully as a Catholic I was taught compassion for my fellow man....so I do use what I am able to use towards donations....which may not be much, if anything for awhile since I've got plenty of bills to help pay

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                                #75
                                lol, the thick headedness goes both ways.

                                Don't understand why you're so adamant with a free-market system. You seem to value freedom in your choices. Hope you realize there is greater freedom to be had if you allow the government to control some aspects of your finances.

                                And no, I'm not supporting pure socialism. There always has to be a balance. A complete free-market economy is inefficient and will limit your freedom of choice. A free-market system is self-defeating really because it gives rise to big businesses who maintain their businesses by squelching the rise and growth of small business, the people business.

                                With socialism, they control all aspects of business. Which would diminish the effects of big business. The best thing is to have a balance of the two. I think the Scandinavian countries are the best demonstration of that. Government is in control of some various aspects of life including the major businesses, but they allow prosperity and opportunity for small business and individual market growth. I'm not too sure but I think they control healthcare and education. People don't think in macroeconomic aspect, they always think in microeconomics aspects. Allowing some macroeconomic dominance is more beneficial for everyone and leads to a wider variety of microeconomic prospects.

                                And you keep saying that people that people will help each other out through charities, I'm presuming? That people should be in charge of that and not governments? You yourself just proved that is an inefficient method. People are inherently selfish and will indulge themselves. They have no interest in others unless it benefits them. That's why we have governments in the first place. To govern those interests but combine the efforts and earn greater benefits (quality of life) through some relinquishment of some freedom for greater amount of freedom.

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