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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    And yet, Flint is still waiting for clean water...
    Flint has been waiting for clean anything long before the scandal occured
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    Quite true.
    This is grossly simplified, "the short version"
    Flint's water problems stem from the decline of Detroit and the domestic auto industry. (Free Trade, anyone?) Tax receipts fell through the floor, and the area switched to a cheaper water source to cut spending. This water was not properly treated, and as a result, it allowed an excess amount of lead to leech out from the lead water pipes the system was constructed with way before the hazards of lead were known.

    Bottom line is that the city management (Democrats, as I understand it) made poor and in some cases criminally stupid decisions (charges have been filed) about where to spend severely limited financial resources, and these poor decisions ended up with a contamination issue, not a shortage issue.
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    Flint's water problems stem from the decline of Detroit and the domestic auto industry. (Free Trade, anyone?)
    You need to stop blaming all your economic problems on free trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    You need to stop blaming all your economic problems on free trade.
    You need to stop listening to the "intellectual elites" that don't have a clue what is really going on.
    Granted, much of Detroit's problems stem from management's disastrously stupid decision to sign off on exorbitant deals with their unions, but the trade deals gave that same management a way to escape the consequences of their stupid decision, without paying the cost with their own careers and jobs. NAFTA and the rest encouraged them so outsource their labor to whatever backwater could do the work the cheapest, gutting the middle class in Michigan.
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    Don't lump all of us with Detriot. That would be like saying you are just like the people who live in New York City
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    So Syrian ISIS decided to try taking on Israel, attacked a Golani brigade border patrol and got their arses kicked. They then brought in a truck-mounted heavy machine gun and a mortar crew, both of which promptly met the business end of Israeli air force missiles. The whole thing ended within minutes with four dead jihadis and not a scratch on any of the Israeli troops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    You need to stop listening to the "intellectual elites" that don't have a clue what is really going on.
    I think I prefer someone who understands economy -- like actually made it their profession -- than someone who has not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Don't lump all of us with Detriot. That would be like saying you are just like the people who live in New York City
    Do you deny that the automotive industry was primary economic engine of that entire state for much of the 20th century? That fed the working class, paid all their taxes, as well as direct taxation of the big 4 and their suppliers, etc.?

    Free Trade was a disaster for the entire manufacturing base in the northeast, but it was particularly devastating for Michigan because of it's dependence upon the auto industry for it's job base. *Afta's killed the golden goose for that state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Do you deny that the automotive industry was primary economic engine of that entire state for much of the 20th century? That fed the working class, paid all their taxes, as well as direct taxation of the big 4 and their suppliers, etc.?

    Free Trade was a disaster for the entire manufacturing base in the northeast, but it was particularly devastating for Michigan because of it's dependence upon the auto industry for it's job base. *Afta's killed the golden goose for that state.
    The automotive industry has mostly been taken over by robots.. It wasn't free trade agreements that displaced the Human workforce.

    But since this is your latest obsession.. *nods and agrees* Yes, free trade agreements Nurse, he's out of bed again..

    There are a few smaller car makers that do everything by hand. But they make dozens of cars a year at an extremely high price (they call it exclusivity), not tens of thousands. A Human workforce cannot keep up with the demand. Not if they want the end product to be affordable.

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    The automotive industry has mostly been taken over by robots.. It wasn't free trade agreements that displaced the Human workforce.

    There are a few smaller car makers that do everything by hand. But they make dozens of cars a year at an extremely high price (they call it exclusivity), not tens of thousands. A Human workforce cannot keep up with the demand. Not if they want the end product to be affordable.
    NO!!!
    It was NAFTA, the Clintons and the LSoS sent it back through time to the 1930's to get Ford to start building cars in Mexico!!
    It's in the hidden file...............
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    Just Anonymous doing Anonymous things. Threats here, threats there. Hack some twitter accounts and a printer.
    So as i said, being crooks and doing blackmail..

    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Bottom line is that the city management (Democrats, as I understand it) made poor and in some cases criminally stupid decisions (charges have been filed) about where to spend severely limited financial resources, and these poor decisions ended up with a contamination issue, not a shortage issue.
    So true Annoyed. The city's problems stem from decades of mismanagement..

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    So Syrian ISIS decided to try taking on Israel, attacked a Golani brigade border patrol and got their arses kicked. They then brought in a truck-mounted heavy machine gun and a mortar crew, both of which promptly met the business end of Israeli air force missiles. The whole thing ended within minutes with four dead jihadis and not a scratch on any of the Israeli troops.
    That's usually what happens when you fark with the Israelis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    The automotive industry has mostly been taken over by robots.. It wasn't free trade agreements that displaced the Human workforce.

    But since this is your latest obsession.. *nods and agrees* Yes, free trade agreements Nurse, he's out of bed again..

    There are a few smaller car makers that do everything by hand. But they make dozens of cars a year at an extremely high price (they call it exclusivity), not tens of thousands. A Human workforce cannot keep up with the demand. Not if they want the end product to be affordable.
    He kind of reminds me of Fly
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    Now that would be funny, If this recount they're doing finds that Trump was shortchanged. Maybe by enough to give him the popular vote as well.
    IF there was anything funny going on (and there is no evidence that there was anything going on), what if it was intended to benefit Hillary?
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    Now that would be funny, If this recount they're doing finds that Trump was shortchanged. Maybe by enough to give him the popular vote as well.
    IF there was anything funny going on (and there is no evidence that there was anything going on), what if it was intended to benefit Hillary?
    Then let the chips fall where they may. Besides, Trump is already claiming he did win the popular vote.
    What will it take to show you just how full of **** this guy is?
    You are so blinded by your -unproven- distrust of Hillary and having been screwed by your own party for 30 years that you are grabbing -anything- that comes along.

    Two years ought to do it.
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    Trump claims a lot of things that aren't true. Remember how charitable he is with his organization that is under inspection for fraud
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Trump claims a lot of things that aren't true. Remember how charitable he is with his organization that is under inspection for fraud
    Look it's only 75 small lawsuits, nothing any president has to deal with. Besides, just imagine how much he can pay off now with his hands on the public purse
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    Impeachment can't come soon enough
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    If it only affected a 5th of your population, I say let him go, but it does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    He kind of reminds me of Fly
    To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen him post much on such things aside from 4, maybe 5 posts in past two years? Usually short quibs.
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    Impeachment can't come soon enough
    I will enjoy watching that. That one professor said it will happen so...

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