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    "Mother" and "Father" to be replaced on U.S. Passports

    Article courtesy of Fox News

    The words “mother” and “father” will be removed from U.S. passport applications and replaced with gender neutral terminology, the State Department says. “The words in the old form were ‘mother’ and ‘father,’” said Brenda Sprague, deputy assistant Secretary of State for Passport Services. "They are now ‘parent one’ and ‘parent two.’"

    A statement on the State Department website noted: “These improvements are being made to provide a gender neutral description of a child’s parents and in recognition of different types of families.” The statement didn't note if it was for child applications only. The State Department said the new passport applications, not yet available to the public, will be available online soon.

    Sprague said the decision to remove the traditional parenting names was not an act of political correctness. “We find that with changes in medical science and reproductive technology that we are confronting situations now that we would not have anticipated 10 or 15 years ago,” she said.

    Gay rights groups are applauding the decision. “Changing the term mother and father to the more global term of parent allows many different types of families to be able to go and apply for a passport for their child without feeling like the government doesn’t recognize their family,” said Jennifer Chrisler, executive director of Family Equality Council. Her organization lobbied the government for several years to remove the words from passport applications. “Our government needs to recognize that the family structure is changing,” Chrisler said. “The best thing that we can do is support people who are raising kids in loving, stable families.”

    But some conservative Christians are outraged over the decision. “Only in the topsy-turvy world of left-wing political correctness could it be considered an ‘improvement’ for a birth-related document to provide less information about the circumstances of that birth,” Family Research Council president Tony Perkins wrote in a statement to Fox News Radio. “This is clearly designed to advance the causes of same-sex ‘marriage’ and homosexual parenting without statutory authority, and violates the spirit if not the letter of the Defense of Marriage Act.”
    Thoughts? I for one love this idea, since oftentimes "Mother" and "Father" aren't appropriate names anyway. And not just for gay couples; I have a mother and step-father who sign most things, and it's just not accurate to call him my father when he's not. And some people live with their grandparents, also not their "mother and father," and there are myriad other circumstances under which parents are not necessarily one or both of those.
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    Sound great to me. Besides gay rights, it fits better for adoptive parents, people raised by extended family, etc etc. Great choice.
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      #3
      Why can't we just add those terms...or just remove them period and not replace them?

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        Originally posted by Col.Foley View Post
        Why can't we just add those terms...or just remove them period and not replace them?
        Because we still need to know who your primary caretakers are. That was why "mother" and "father" were on there in the first place.
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          Originally posted by s09119 View Post
          Because we still need to know who your primary caretakers are. That was why "mother" and "father" were on there in the first place.
          why?

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            Originally posted by Col.Foley View Post
            why?
            Because a U.S. Passport is used as both emergency contact information should something to happen you outside of the country and as a primary mode of identification for purposes such as job hiring. It needs to have up-to-date information on the basic facts about who you are, and that includes who acts as your primary guardian, or if you're over 18, who is legally your closest family.
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              Originally posted by s09119 View Post
              Because a U.S. Passport is used as both emergency contact information should something to happen you outside of the country and as a primary mode of identification for purposes such as job hiring. It needs to have up-to-date information on the basic facts about who you are, and that includes who acts as your primary guardian, or if you're over 18, who is legally your closest family.
              You can get that with a name. And a number, or an e-mail address. You do not need who they are to you.

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                Originally posted by Col.Foley View Post
                You can get that with a name. And a number, or an e-mail address. You do not need who they are to you.
                Actually, Foley, you do sometimes.

                For example, let's say you were in a severe car accident, and you needed emergency surgery, but it was a risky procedure that could potentially not pan out, the hospital would need to be able to contact your parents/legal guardians to get authorization for the procedure, as I believe someone who is not related to you cannot authorize it.
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                  Having your parents name is also another way to tell John Smith 187 from John Smith 188.

                  because while two people may have the same name, the odds of them having the same parents names is pretty dang slim

                  And I know of a lot of cases where grandma and grandpa are the guardians of and raising hte grandkids, so mother and father would be wrong.

                  if they want to compromise have it

                  mother, father OR parent/guardian 1, parent/guardian 2

                  four boxes, two of which must be filled out.

                  It is getting quite common for parental figures to not always be birth parents
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                    Originally posted by Rickington View Post
                    Actually, Foley, you do sometimes.

                    For example, let's say you were in a severe car accident, and you needed emergency surgery, but it was a risky procedure that could potentially not pan out, the hospital would need to be able to contact your parents/legal guardians to get authorization for the procedure, as I believe someone who is not related to you cannot authorize it.
                    umm, there are loopholes.
                    if you are unconscious, your consent is assumed. Medical personnel are allowed to make the presumption that you'd want to be saved and not wait for permission. Usually, i think, where consent is not assumed is organ retrieval. And, i think, if it's a child then hospitals have social workers that can take on the role as advocate for the child and make decisions until a guardian is located.
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                      Originally posted by Rickington View Post
                      Actually, Foley, you do sometimes.

                      For example, let's say you were in a severe car accident, and you needed emergency surgery, but it was a risky procedure that could potentially not pan out, the hospital would need to be able to contact your parents/legal guardians to get authorization for the procedure, as I believe someone who is not related to you cannot authorize it.
                      Then have them list who are compatiable donors with you and who is capable of giving you that emergency surgery. Again you do not need a parent or someone's status to you.

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                        Originally posted by Rickington View Post
                        For example, let's say you were in a severe car accident, and you needed emergency surgery, but it was a risky procedure that could potentially not pan out, the hospital would need to be able to contact your parents/legal guardians to get authorization for the procedure, as I believe someone who is not related to you cannot authorize it.
                        Yepper. That's precisely why in various insurance forms and even certain job applications have an "In case of emergency notify" line along with another line asking for the relationship of said person to you. Now as Skydiver said there are loopholes but specifying a person's relationship is standard procedure for ease of locating them in an emergency.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cold Fuzz View Post
                          Yepper. That's precisely why in various insurance forms and even job applications they have an "In case of emergency notify" line along with another line asking for the relationship of said person to you.
                          Fine but you do not need to have it.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Skydiver View Post
                            Having your parents name is also another way to tell John Smith 187 from John Smith 188.

                            because while two people may have the same name, the odds of them having the same parents names is pretty dang slim

                            And I know of a lot of cases where grandma and grandpa are the guardians of and raising hte grandkids, so mother and father would be wrong.

                            if they want to compromise have it

                            mother, father OR parent/guardian 1, parent/guardian 2

                            four boxes, two of which must be filled out.

                            It is getting quite common for parental figures to not always be birth parents
                            More very valid and very common sense reasons why a person's relationship to you is needed to be listed on such forms. For the military, knowing who the next of kin is (edit: and where they are) is pretty important in the case of a KIA scenario.
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                              Originally posted by Cold Fuzz View Post
                              Yepper. That's precisely why in various insurance forms and even certain job applications have an "In case of emergency notify" line along with another line asking for the relationship of said person to you. Now as Skydiver said there are loopholes but specifying a person's relationship is standard procedure for ease of locating them in an emergency.
                              cell phones now come with 'ice contact'...ICE = In Case of Emergency

                              under hte theory that if you're in a wreck, the medical personnel can go thorugh your phone and find the ICE and call them
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