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    The supergate does not travel through blackhole but it is powered by one.

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    Maybe that the supergate has unlim power it can remain open, but who is to say that it has the power needs to go x distance.. Like mccay said in season 4's opener, the ZPM has all that power, but it is what it is pushing out to the ends which is what matters. Maybe the Icarus planets just push more than a B'hole can do but the hole can push energy consistently.

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    I wonder how they tap the energy from a blackhole?

    Since a blackhole is kind of a black giant that eat everything including light, how could something like energy possibly manage to escape out of it?

    A blackhole has thousand times stronger gravitational pull, how a supergate managed to stay on it position without being pulled into a blackhole?

    It just does not make sense...

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    Indeed. In the episode "A matter of time" the wormhole also drew power from a blackhole causing it to stay open indefinitely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinary View Post
    I wonder how they tap the energy from a blackhole?

    Since a blackhole is kind of a black giant that eat everything including light, how could something like energy possibly manage to escape out of it?

    A blackhole has thousand times stronger gravitational pull, how a supergate managed to stay on it position without being pulled into a blackhole?

    It just does not make sense...
    The event horizon does actually give of enormous amounts of radiation of various types. I believe X-rays are one of those... gama rays?

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    All those rays were emitted by a pulsar, supernova or other stars that is about getting swallowed by the Blackhole. So, it can be purge somewhere else and not necessarily from a Blackhole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurluas View Post
    Indeed. In the episode "A matter of time" the wormhole also drew power from a blackhole causing it to stay open indefinitely
    actually it stayed open because of time dilation on the other side caused the gate to stay open beyond 38 minutes.

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    Am I missing something, or couldnt we just take the Supergate out of the equasion. In "Pegasus Project" we saw how easily a Gate connects to another Galaxy once it is near a Blackhole. So with this method you could get a connection to Destiny, where you can actually send something through.

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    We also saw the gates used in pp were used to jump from one gate to the other... and it took 2 nukes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinary View Post
    I guess, with smaller Orlin's stargate dialing to a bigger stargate, size doesn't change when existing the other side. So, if a supergate dialing destiny's gate, a ship can be sent in, but what exiting on destiny's gate is the cylindrical part that the same size of the gate hole and the rest of that ship parts will be crushed at event horizon.

    Yet, the Ori supergate still need the Icarus planet size power consumption. The same I guess if destiny want to dialing home. Has they figure it out the 9 chevron address to dial home?
    Why would it need a Icarus planet for power? From what we've seen in the show, a singularity gives a supergate enough power to dial from the Ori's home galaxy (who knows how far away that is) to the milkyway and keep that connection open indefinitely if they wanted. Surely a singularity could provide a gate with as much power if not more than a Icarus planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomstone View Post
    Am I missing something, or couldnt we just take the Supergate out of the equasion. In "Pegasus Project" we saw how easily a Gate connects to another Galaxy once it is near a Blackhole. So with this method you could get a connection to Destiny, where you can actually send something through.
    Send a jumper packed full of supplies. Would a jumper even fit in Destiny's gate room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boyd22 View Post
    Send a jumper packed full of supplies. Would a jumper even fit in Destiny's gate room?
    Sure it would, but you'd have nowhere to park it and no way to get it outside the ship except by Stargate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomstone View Post
    Am I missing something, or couldnt we just take the Supergate out of the equasion. In "Pegasus Project" we saw how easily a Gate connects to another Galaxy once it is near a Blackhole. So with this method you could get a connection to Destiny, where you can actually send something through.
    A potential problem is varying the energy level does seem to change how far the kawoosh goes or doesn't go based on previous episodes of SG-1, so there would be a danger in connecting two normal gates using the energy from a blackhole, of cutting a nice tube shaped section out of the entire ship in front of the Stargate.

    If they decide to end the series early this could be one way to do it. The brain dead scientists that think CBR comes from somewhere in particular instead of everywhere get the idea to connect with a blackhole, everyone gets excited that they're going to go home, the ship gets completely gutted by a crazy kawoosh and everyone dies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesjos View Post
    A potential problem is varying the energy level does seem to change how far the kawoosh goes or doesn't go based on previous episodes of SG-1, so there would be a danger in connecting two normal gates using the energy from a blackhole, of cutting a nice tube shaped section out of the entire ship in front of the Stargate.
    The kawoosh doesn't go any farther than it would on normal power

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Jumper One View Post
    The kawoosh doesn't go any farther than it would on normal power
    There's been lots of episodes where issues with the power have caused the kawoosh to act weirdly.

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    My interpretation is that the black hole provides no power what so ever. What it does provide is time dilation. So, a very small amount of power is needed to open what would be a nanosecond connection between the gates, but because the black hole has dilated time so much on the sending gate's side, to the receiving gate hundreds of years could pass before that nanosecond is up. Now, how would you send ships through without having them also experience the dilation? Either they are immune to it (generating a counter dilation), or the effect is by sending the worm hole through the black hole so you distort the physics of the worm hole without distorting anything passing through (how gate time travel worked, in a way).

    I just don't see how you can generate power from a black hole, unless it's talking about gravity related potential energy (magically), or you're sitting in the high powered radiation jet streams shooting out of a black hole's poles caused by the inward falling mass/light shedding angular momentum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geddarkstorm View Post
    My interpretation is that the black hole provides no power what so ever. What it does provide is time dilation. So, a very small amount of power is needed to open what would be a nanosecond connection between the gates, but because the black hole has dilated time so much on the sending gate's side, to the receiving gate hundreds of years could pass before that nanosecond is up. Now, how would you send ships through without having them also experience the dilation? Either they are immune to it (generating a counter dilation), or the effect is by sending the worm hole through the black hole so you distort the physics of the worm hole without distorting anything passing through (how gate time travel worked, in a way).

    I just don't see how you can generate power from a black hole, unless it's talking about gravity related potential energy (magically), or you're sitting in the high powered radiation jet streams shooting out of a black hole's poles caused by the inward falling mass/light shedding angular momentum.
    Sam mentioned that when the SGC was connected to a black hole. Though radio transmissions where only slightly affacted when they did it in "Pegasus Project". So maybe we would at least be able to exchange some data while doing that.

    Also, as boyd22 mentioned, they could send a Jumper, but since there is the Time dialation difference and the fact that the Shuttle is to big, they could send a small package through by simply giving it a rocket boost and start it before beaming it right in front of the event horizon.

    The Black hole got to deliver some power, otherwise that connection would be near to impossible. So the package should make it through before the connection breaks.

    Altough before actually trying that, I would really suggest to learn how to disconnect a Gate in that state. I cant remember if they ever actually disconnected from a black hole connection. They disconnected the Pegasus Gate with ease when it came to the Ori, but in SG1 they needed to make the Wormhole Jump so another Planet is doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofseas View Post
    We have no idea what would happen if something passed through the event horizon of the Supergate. Imagine putting an Ori Mothership through the supergate. Would you expect an Ori mothership of the same size to come out on the other end? No. We also don't know what the tidal effects of the black hole through the supergate would have on the receiving gate, on Destiny.
    Actually they should come out the same size, etc. This was shown in SG-1 when (old) Orlan created the mini-gate in Carters basement. He emerged through a regular gate no better or worse than if he had gone through one on Earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekras View Post
    Actually they should come out the same size, etc. This was shown in SG-1 when (old) Orlan created the mini-gate in Carters basement. He emerged through a regular gate no better or worse than if he had gone through one on Earth.
    Yeah, but he was one of the Creators and we are noobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomstone View Post
    Sam mentioned that when the SGC was connected to a black hole. Though radio transmissions where only slightly affacted when they did it in "Pegasus Project". So maybe we would at least be able to exchange some data while doing that.

    Also, as boyd22 mentioned, they could send a Jumper, but since there is the Time dialation difference and the fact that the Shuttle is to big, they could send a small package through by simply giving it a rocket boost and start it before beaming it right in front of the event horizon.

    The Black hole got to deliver some power, otherwise that connection would be near to impossible. So the package should make it through before the connection breaks.

    Altough before actually trying that, I would really suggest to learn how to disconnect a Gate in that state. I cant remember if they ever actually disconnected from a black hole connection. They disconnected the Pegasus Gate with ease when it came to the Ori, but in SG1 they needed to make the Wormhole Jump so another Planet is doomed.
    Think the only way they've come up with is completely vaporizing the gate by beaming a Mark IX directly behind it.

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