What is the best/most powerfull Ship Class in the Stargate?

[Ouroboros]

The apolla shields deflected a huge number of drones when rescuing McKay. The apolla and dedy repelled many drones when the fleet attacked the replicator world.

So then that would mean that the Asgard designed shields on a 304 can defeat drone shield busting technology, which would then seem to mean that an O'neill class's shields would likewise defend against it.

If that is the case then it seems like an Asgard battleship like an O'niell might even pose a significant threat to a city ship like Atlantis all by itself. Drones seem to rely on bypassing defenses not blasting them down with raw power, so if they can't bypass the O'niell's shields a cityship/aurora could be in a lot of trouble.

They'd have to wear down the Asgard shields with just the explosive part of the drone while the Asgard would be shooting back at them with the most advanced energy weapons of any of the species seen so far, aside from maybe the Ori.

The cityship would probably survive, because its shields are so over the top that it takes an entire Wraith fleet the better part of a week to wear through them normally, but the Aurora is probably screwed.

[morrismike]

So then that would mean that the Asgard designed shields on a 304 can defeat drone shield busting technology, which would then seem to mean that an O'neill class's shields would likewise defend against it.

If that is the case then it seems like an Asgard battleship like an O'niell might even pose a significant threat to a city ship like Atlantis all by itself. Drones seem to rely on bypassing defenses not blasting them down with raw power, so if they can't bypass the O'niell's shields a cityship/aurora could be in a lot of trouble.

They'd have to wear down the Asgard shields with just the explosive part of the drone while the Asgard would be shooting back at them with the most advanced energy weapons of any of the species seen so far, aside from maybe the Ori.

The cityship would probably survive, because its shields are so over the top that it takes an entire Wraith fleet the better part of a week to wear through them normally, but the Aurora is probably screwed.

An Oneill with Uberbeams maybe. I doubt it could stand up to the superweapon but Atlantis drone onslaught is not so bad as long as it could bring those shields down in 20 minutes or so. I doubt that Thor would sit idly by and wait for those glowing orange snails to impact on his shields though. He would probably play dirty and trap them in a super slow time bubble and just wail on them (or simply make the sun go supernova - I have a sneaking suspicion a highly motivated Thor is capable of just about anything. The problem would be the same problem that the mini-me Oneill had with the toilet lids (can't bring down shields). I'm still not so sure the Oneill wasn't gathering intel on the Ori Vessels once it realized it couldn't defeat any of them. I agree that even a zpm Aurora would be in a lot of trouble against a non-uber beam Oneill.

[Vancho]

ZMP powered Hive is obviously superior to everythink by far

[morrismike]

ZMP powered Hive is obviously superior to everythink by far

Just bad writing. The satelite weapon exceeds a toilet lid main beam and can be charged with a mkI reactor (maybe 2 MWe). Given the size of atlantis, at least 40 of these beams could have been blended into the archetecture of the city and could continuously fire without challenging a zpm. A superhive could not stand up to multiple satelite beams and the great golden snails of death.

[Vancho]

Just bad writing. The satelite weapon exceeds a toilet lid main beam and can be charged with a mkI reactor (maybe 2 MWe). Given the size of atlantis, at least 40 of these beams could have been blended into the archetecture of the city and could continuously fire without challenging a zpm. A superhive could not stand up to multiple satelite beams and the great golden snails of death.

i thought of that but the ancient satellite ray weapon didn't have any shields which suggest it can't be fired through shields
it might explain why the ancients didn't install such ray weapons on atlantis in first place

[morrismike]

I wouldn't put a ZPM powered Aurora very high up really. It's main weapon is drones which don't seem to get boosted by ZPM's much if at all. The ones atlantis fired certainly didn't make much of an impression on the superhive.

The ZPM would probably just boost their shields massively, but against an enemy with defenses that can resist drones, like a superhive, Replicator ship, or possibly Ori or Asgard ship it would more just prolong the inevitable.

I seem to remember there being some episode that showed the Daedalus' Asgard shields deflecting a drone at some point to or am I just thinking of the Arcturus weapon.

you aren't imagining, it was Apollo and the drones were bouncing off like rubber balls.

[morrismike]

i thought of that but the ancient satellite ray weapon didn't have any shields which suggest it can't be fired through shields
it might explain why the ancients didn't install such ray weapons on atlantis in first place

more likely bad writing

[mickhhh]

i thought of that but the ancient satellite ray weapon didn't have any shields which suggest it can't be fired through shields
it might explain why the ancients didn't install such ray weapons on atlantis in first place

even if the satellite main beams were the most powerful thing in the universe it would not last long with out shields. so this means it must have. we just did not have the power to power them. plus even if we did have the power they could have been broke.

[morrismike]

even if the satellite main beams were the most powerful thing in the universe it would not last long with out shields. so this means it must have. we just did not have the power to power them. plus even if we did have the power they could have been broke.

The shields would only need to last for a minute with a dozen of those satelite beams in operation. The first beam salvos soften them up for the golden snails of deaths to finish up. A dozen of the satelite beams concentrating their firepower could punch a hole in the moon.

[Ouroboros]

The satellite beams are next to completely useless against fighters and misc small ships though, which is probably how the Wraith took them out.

They're still a visual range weapon to, even if they seem to have longer range than most others.

An enemy could simply Kamikaze each platform with a cheap fighter on auto pilot, something which the Wraith were no doubt all to willing to do, likely even minus the auto pilot part. Guided missiles would be better or course but the extreme vulnerability of those platforms to even normal dart attacks, not even high velocity Kamikaze runs, probably explains why they didn't do so hot.

With no apparent shields or point defense they'd be left trying to bullseye fighters one at a time with that giant cannon.

The whole idea of them is probably one of the dumbest things you could sink resources into vs a fighter heavy enemy like the Wraith, but this is the ancients we're talking about here.

[lordofseas]

The satellite beams are next to completely useless against fighters and misc small ships though, which is probably how the Wraith took them out.

They're still a visual range weapon to, even if they seem to have longer range than most others.

An enemy could simply Kamikaze each platform with a cheap fighter on auto pilot, something which the Wraith were no doubt all to willing to do, likely even minus the auto pilot part. Guided missiles would be better or course but the extreme vulnerability of those platforms to even normal dart attacks, not even high velocity Kamikaze runs, probably explains why they didn't do so hot.

With no apparent shields or point defense they'd be left trying to bullseye fighters one at a time with that giant cannon.

The whole idea of them is probably one of the dumbest things you could sink resources into vs a fighter heavy enemy like the Wraith, but this is the ancients we're talking about here.

Well, all that was active in the station was life support and the main weapon, powered by a Mk I/II Naq. Gen. We don't know what it would be like if it was fully operational (which it was not), and fully equipped. The Wraith could have simply overwhelmed any sort of shielding the Ancients applied.

[morrismike]

The satellite beams are next to completely useless against fighters and misc small ships though, which is probably how the Wraith took them out.

They're still a visual range weapon to, even if they seem to have longer range than most others.

An enemy could simply Kamikaze each platform with a cheap fighter on auto pilot, something which the Wraith were no doubt all to willing to do, likely even minus the auto pilot part. Guided missiles would be better or course but the extreme vulnerability of those platforms to even normal dart attacks, not even high velocity Kamikaze runs, probably explains why they didn't do so hot.

With no apparent shields or point defense they'd be left trying to bullseye fighters one at a time with that giant cannon.

The whole idea of them is probably one of the dumbest things you could sink resources into vs a fighter heavy enemy like the Wraith, but this is the ancients we're talking about here.

The thing may be able to disperse the beam to a 120 cone for all we know.

[Vancho]

The shields would only need to last for a minute with a dozen of those satelite beams in operation. The first beam salvos soften them up for the golden snails of deaths to finish up. A dozen of the satelite beams concentrating their firepower could punch a hole in the moon.

You miss the point, we dont know how those satellites work and as far we can suggest there have to be a choice ether shields or ray weapons coz those satellite ray weapons cant be used from inside with shields up

[morrismike]

You miss the point, we dont know how those satellites work and as far we can suggest there have to be a choice ether shields or ray weapons coz those satellite ray weapons cant be used from inside with shields up

Shields allow outgoing beams or what would be the point? It is ludicrus to think the ancients didn't have something as simple as a tollen ion cannon, satelite beam or other low tech (for them) weapon since they basically had the equivelant of the Texas electrical grid at their disposal.

[mickhhh]

The satellite beams are next to completely useless against fighters and misc small ships though, which is probably how the Wraith took them out.

They're still a visual range weapon to, even if they seem to have longer range than most others.

An enemy could simply Kamikaze each platform with a cheap fighter on auto pilot, something which the Wraith were no doubt all to willing to do, likely even minus the auto pilot part. Guided missiles would be better or course but the extreme vulnerability of those platforms to even normal dart attacks, not even high velocity Kamikaze runs, probably explains why they didn't do so hot.

With no apparent shields or point defense they'd be left trying to bullseye fighters one at a time with that giant cannon.

The whole idea of them is probably one of the dumbest things you could sink resources into vs a fighter heavy enemy like the Wraith, but this is the ancients we're talking about here.

i refuse to believe they would not have had shields when fully operational. we no the ancients could win every defensive battle so that must mean they had shields. must likely only got damaged when the ancients pulled out (thats why the wraith did not feel the need to destroy them). you would have thought the ancients would have put them on self destruct though