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    Default Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    So, if Destiny's mission is to fly to the edge of the known universe to examine the pattern, why seed stargates on planets?

    That being said, I wonder if we will see any galaxies with populations that have figured out how to use the gate system like the Go'auld and Wraith did.

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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    The Stargates are there so they can go to planets along the way for resupply missions. It's also doubtful any species know how to use the gates. The only reason anyone in the Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies did is because the Ancients made them user-friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjleader View Post
    So, if Destiny's mission is to fly to the edge of the known universe to examine the pattern, why seed stargates on planets?
    Good point. I wonder if this apparent contradiction will be addressed. The Destiny should be way beyond the seeder ships.

    That being said, I wonder if we will see any galaxies with populations that have figured out how to use the gate system like the Go'auld and Wraith did.
    Only alien species advanced enough can figure it out since there's no visible interface like in the previous stargate system we saw. There's probably a need to dismantle one of the stargate on a planet to know what it do and how it works.

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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    theoretically a species with a lot of time and patience could figure it out.


    as to seeding gates: compare it to the romans building roads everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekillman View Post
    theoretically a species with a lot of time and patience could figure it out.


    as to seeding gates: compare it to the romans building roads everywhere.
    Yes, but the Destiny should be way beyond the seeder ships, since there's no need to stop at every system and can go in a straight line to the center of the universe (until some ancient board it).

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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    I hope the writers make an episode that shows that the gates have a display or hologram that visually shows what the purpose of the stargate and who built it to any intelligent life out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander Zelix View Post
    Yes, but the Destiny should be way beyond the seeder ships, since there's no need to stop at every system and can go in a straight line to the center of the universe (until some ancient board it).
    There is a purpose for the stargates being where they are next to resuplying the crew and the ship. The gates have to do something when the ship is at its destination, is my guess

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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    I figure it's just a B-mission as I can't think of a way to tie 'pattern in the background radiation' in with 'seeding stargates everywhere'.

    @ Commander Zelix: Destiny is most likely still behind the seederships because while the seederships do stop here and there to plant gates, destiny continually stops for hours ( sometimes days, like in Time ) at planets, or takes it's time to recharge in a star. Both are delayed plenty. Maybe the seederships are faster because more space inside is used for power...stuff etc.

    But I figure the seeding of gates is more of a side-mission. If they're going to the edge of the universe why not throw some gates down? It'd also help with foodstops. In pegasus the destiny gate system most likely helped them to map out, colonise and settle that galaxy.

    I still find it a fascinating idea that there is a chain of galaxies spanning from the milkyway to where destiny is, and gate systems in all those galaxies. Were we to send out a 304 from pegasus we could easily reach the next galaxy with gates in a few weeks. It's an ancient breadcrum trail.

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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    Maybe seedingships lay a basic network/chain of gates in a galaxy and the original purpose was to then visit these planets and lateron determine if the galaxy was worth colonizing. So this part of the mission was a secondary priority, the first priority was to chase towards the origin of the patternsignal and the Ancients took this opportunity to seed more gates at the same time, plus the Destiny needs to resupply from time to time

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destiny View Post
    I figure it's just a B-mission as I can't think of a way to tie 'pattern in the background radiation' in with 'seeding stargates everywhere'.

    @ Commander Zelix: Destiny is most likely still behind the seederships because while the seederships do stop here and there to plant gates, destiny continually stops for hours ( sometimes days, like in Time ) at planets, or takes it's time to recharge in a star. Both are delayed plenty. Maybe the seederships are faster because more space inside is used for power...stuff etc.

    But I figure the seeding of gates is more of a side-mission. If they're going to the edge of the universe why not throw some gates down? It'd also help with foodstops. In pegasus the destiny gate system most likely helped them to map out, colonise and settle that galaxy.
    Then we're back with what the original poster ask. If the seeding of gates is only a side mission, then why seeds gates and waste your time when your goal is to get at the edge of the universe? (if it's not because there's human now on board)


    I still find it a fascinating idea that there is a chain of galaxies spanning from the milkyway to where destiny is, and gate systems in all those galaxies. Were we to send out a 304 from pegasus we could easily reach the next galaxy with gates in a few weeks. It's an ancient breadcrum trail.
    I don't think it was even said that the chain of stargates planted by the seeder ship started in the milkyway or close to it.

    It's also not clear to me how far out Destiny is now and if it's possible to catch them, in a respectable time, merrily using stargates trails and using FTL drive for inter-galactical travel.

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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    Quote Originally Posted by Commander Zelix View Post
    I don't think it was even said that the chain of stargates planted by the seeder ship started in the milkyway or close to it.
    No, but we know Destiny launched from Earth, so making the logical link towards the idea that the seeders also launched from Earth is quickly made.
    But if they already had the MW network before or after the Seeders started out, we dont know.

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    Because the writers needed some way to say it was a stargate series when having almost nothing to do with the stargate?

    I think it's going to basically end up as a pointless plot hole that never gets explained because it was a "How is this a stargate series?" answer versus a plot element that really would ever make much sense.

    Tim

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmciglobal View Post
    Because the writers needed some way to say it was a stargate series when having almost nothing to do with the stargate?

    I think it's going to basically end up as a pointless plot hole that never gets explained because it was a "How is this a stargate series?" answer versus a plot element that really would ever make much sense.

    Tim
    Somewhere i agree with you, but...then they couldve made a whole new series with a totally other angle...so I dont think it is likely you conclusion.

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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    It wouldn't of been as easy to pitch or have a quasi-built in fan base.

    I think making it a "Stargate" series made sense and the idea of seeding the entire universe with local only gates with no DHD's doesn't make any sense especially when you consider the mission aparently has nothing to do with actually exploring worlds per-say so sending out multiple of these ships (seeders + destiny) all to seed the universe and planets when we've yet to see destiny go to a planet for anything doesn't make alot of sense.

    It's not that I'm knocking the writers for the choice but I think they should of just left the entire seed ship thing out and made it a "mystery" how these gates all got there.

    Tim

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    The purpose of the gates has been explained in this thread and in many others.

    The gates are used to resupply the crew with food and useful materials. Where else are they going to get food for a mission that can last as long as a thousand years? Or get limestone to keep the life support system working? Or get iron and other materials to fix any damage to the ship and other technology, create new kinos and remotes? At that time the Ancients didn't have the technology to make stuff appear out of thin air. Flying a shuttle forward and back would take too long.

    Putting physical needs aside, the Ancients would probably go insane after a few years flying in a metal box.

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    That logic works if you don't also realize that the ancients were going to gate to destiny hence making seeding gates before wherever destiny was going pointless.

    The "supplies" they needed then beg the question... where are the puddle jumpers? I mean were they going to carry back by hand every single resource farmed on a planet needed to destiny?

    I don't buy it. I think it's a massive plot hole with a complete incompatibility with destiny's mission. If the gates were linked then you might think it was an intergalactic 'hoping" to collect data from across an entire galaxy but they are not so the idea that you'd use a vast amount of resources to farm naquada and build gates on planets just to collect minor resources.

    To use an analogy from today you wouldn't build a dock on an island your just passing by and sending a scouting party to from your ship to collect a small amount of resources and you definitely wouldn't send out another ship ahead of yours to build a dock just to maybe stop at that island to possibly collect some minor resources through it. You absolutely wouldn't send out a fleet of ships to put docks on many, many islands because you might need some minor resource from one of them.

    A civilization advanced enough to have already traveled from the ori galaxy to the milky way and then built and launched destiny & the seeder ships is FAR beyond the needed technology to make local trips in shuttles or even interplanetary trips between nearby star systems if resources were needed.

    Tim
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    The goal as Rush said is to gain understanding. Planting Stargate along you patch will help you extend you knowledge of far extragalactic unknown world, biology, etc. The Stargate also provides the means to gather supplies on habitable worlds. The seeder ship are an functional important, even necessary part of the ancients plan to study everything.
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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    Quote Originally Posted by timmciglobal View Post
    That logic works if you don't also realize that the ancients were going to gate to destiny hence making seeding gates before wherever destiny was going pointless.

    The "supplies" they needed then beg the question... where the puddle jumpers? I mean were they going to carry back by hand every single resource farmed on a planet needed to destiny?

    I don't buy it. I think it's a massive plot hole with a complete incompatibility with destiny's mission. If the gates were linked then you might think it was an intergalactic 'hoping" to collect data from across an entire galaxy but they are not so the idea that you'd use a vast amount of resources to farm naquada and build gates on planets just to collect minor resources which even by today's standards you don't build a marina on an island to collect lumber to repair your ship or fruit and vegetables.


    Tim
    It must be a higher purpose, plus puddlejumpers were maybe not around yet when Destiny and the Seeders were first launched.

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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelbox View Post
    The goal as Rush said is to gain understanding. Planting Stargate along you patch will help you extend you knowledge of far extragalactic unknown world, biology, etc. The Stargate also provides the means to gather supplies on habitable worlds. The seeder ship are an functional important, even necessary part of the ancients plan to study everything.
    Maybe this learned understanding also helps to see the bigger picture eventually, to succeed the mission. Without certain knowledge the mission would be probably useless.
    imagine this: Rush did not crack the mastercode and Destiny and its crew reach the destination...and then what happens, do the crew have some actions to perform or is all automated?

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    Default Re: Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

    Which one is easier: Use shuttles which are technologically "ancient" (Pun) compared to destiny or to launch a fleet of seeder ships to seed planets then specially make it so those gates couldn't dial outside of their local groups?

    You can't have it both ways. Destiny's intended method of "getting" to it can't be gating billions of lightyears away from earth through a 9 chevron address yet at the same time the people couldn't build a gate system to connect many gates across the galaxies they were seeding. You can't have a society that can apparently created a seeder ship which can go to a planet which is not seeded with a gate, farm nadaquah for the gate, build it, then place it on the planet yet those exact "gates" are needed for water and calcium and salt and were the easiest way to get the resources versus say... just recording where the planet was and what it had and actually farming the resources which any logical race could estimate would be needed. None of this makes sense especially in the guise of our crew which has been on destiny a year has almost starved to death, dehidrated, run out of energy and killed yet all these vast resources were expended building and placing gates with no logical of easy way to get any resources from them except a bucket brigade of people handing things from one to the other.

    It's a plot hole, there is nothing wrong with that, it's just a hook used to build a "lost on a ship drama show" without making it "RandomName: Universe" and tie into an existing fanbase & name.

    Tim

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