Destiny's True Mission vs Stargate Seeding...

[timmciglobal]

That logic works if you don't also realize that the ancients were going to gate to destiny hence making seeding gates before wherever destiny was going pointless.

The "supplies" they needed then beg the question... where are the puddle jumpers? I mean were they going to carry back by hand every single resource farmed on a planet needed to destiny?

I don't buy it. I think it's a massive plot hole with a complete incompatibility with destiny's mission. If the gates were linked then you might think it was an intergalactic 'hoping" to collect data from across an entire galaxy but they are not so the idea that you'd use a vast amount of resources to farm naquada and build gates on planets just to collect minor resources.

To use an analogy from today you wouldn't build a dock on an island your just passing by and sending a scouting party to from your ship to collect a small amount of resources and you definitely wouldn't send out another ship ahead of yours to build a dock just to maybe stop at that island to possibly collect some minor resources through it. You absolutely wouldn't send out a fleet of ships to put docks on many, many islands because you might need some minor resource from one of them.

A civilization advanced enough to have already traveled from the ori galaxy to the milky way and then built and launched destiny & the seeder ships is FAR beyond the needed technology to make local trips in shuttles or even interplanetary trips between nearby star systems if resources were needed.

Tim

[Steelbox]

The goal as Rush said is to gain understanding. Planting Stargate along you patch will help you extend you knowledge of far extragalactic unknown world, biology, etc. The Stargate also provides the means to gather supplies on habitable worlds. The seeder ship are an functional important, even necessary part of the ancients plan to study everything.

[wolverine_nl]

That logic works if you don't also realize that the ancients were going to gate to destiny hence making seeding gates before wherever destiny was going pointless.

The "supplies" they needed then beg the question... where the puddle jumpers? I mean were they going to carry back by hand every single resource farmed on a planet needed to destiny?

I don't buy it. I think it's a massive plot hole with a complete incompatibility with destiny's mission. If the gates were linked then you might think it was an intergalactic 'hoping" to collect data from across an entire galaxy but they are not so the idea that you'd use a vast amount of resources to farm naquada and build gates on planets just to collect minor resources which even by today's standards you don't build a marina on an island to collect lumber to repair your ship or fruit and vegetables.


Tim

It must be a higher purpose, plus puddlejumpers were maybe not around yet when Destiny and the Seeders were first launched.

[wolverine_nl]

The goal as Rush said is to gain understanding. Planting Stargate along you patch will help you extend you knowledge of far extragalactic unknown world, biology, etc. The Stargate also provides the means to gather supplies on habitable worlds. The seeder ship are an functional important, even necessary part of the ancients plan to study everything.

Maybe this learned understanding also helps to see the bigger picture eventually, to succeed the mission. Without certain knowledge the mission would be probably useless.
imagine this: Rush did not crack the mastercode and Destiny and its crew reach the destination...and then what happens, do the crew have some actions to perform or is all automated?

[timmciglobal]

Which one is easier: Use shuttles which are technologically "ancient" (Pun) compared to destiny or to launch a fleet of seeder ships to seed planets then specially make it so those gates couldn't dial outside of their local groups?

You can't have it both ways. Destiny's intended method of "getting" to it can't be gating billions of lightyears away from earth through a 9 chevron address yet at the same time the people couldn't build a gate system to connect many gates across the galaxies they were seeding. You can't have a society that can apparently created a seeder ship which can go to a planet which is not seeded with a gate, farm nadaquah for the gate, build it, then place it on the planet yet those exact "gates" are needed for water and calcium and salt and were the easiest way to get the resources versus say... just recording where the planet was and what it had and actually farming the resources which any logical race could estimate would be needed. None of this makes sense especially in the guise of our crew which has been on destiny a year has almost starved to death, dehidrated, run out of energy and killed yet all these vast resources were expended building and placing gates with no logical of easy way to get any resources from them except a bucket brigade of people handing things from one to the other.

It's a plot hole, there is nothing wrong with that, it's just a hook used to build a "lost on a ship drama show" without making it "RandomName: Universe" and tie into an existing fanbase & name.

Tim

[Steelbox]

They sent Destiny on a study mission. It is not practical to drop out in orbit of every planet. So just go along an predetermined course and gate to where you want.

[wolverine_nl]

Which one is easier: Use shuttles which are technologically "ancient" (Pun) compared to destiny or to launch a fleet of seeder ships to seed planets then specially make it so those gates couldn't dial outside of their local groups?

You can't have it both ways. Destiny's intended method of "getting" to it can't be gating billions of lightyears away from earth through a 9 chevron address yet at the same time the people couldn't build a gate system to connect many gates across the galaxies they were seeding. You can't have a society that can apparently created a seeder ship which can go to a planet which is not seeded with a gate, farm nadaquah for the gate, build it, then place it on the planet yet those exact "gates" are needed for water and calcium and salt and were the easiest way to get the resources versus say... just recording where the planet was and what it had and actually farming the resources which any logical race could estimate would be needed. None of this makes sense especially in the guise of our crew which has been on destiny a year has almost starved to death, dehidrated, run out of energy and killed yet all these vast resources were expended building and placing gates with no logical of easy way to get any resources from them except a bucket brigade of people handing things from one to the other.

It's a plot hole, there is nothing wrong with that, it's just a hook used to build a "lost on a ship drama show" without making it "RandomName: Universe" and tie into an existing fanbase & name.

Tim

Do you really think the makers of the series would be that dumb?

[timmciglobal]

So instead they sent out a fleet of ships to seed every random planet with gates made of a very rare substance which somehow has to be farmed and built then placed, then record all this information and relay it back to destiny as it meets up your fleet of gate seeding ships?

That sounds infinity less practical the just dropping out to study random planets your sensors detect.

Even if you "buy" that logic it still doesn't explain why these gates would not be galaxy wide gate system but a local group only system.

Tim

[timmciglobal]

Do you really think the makers of the series would be that dumb?

Dumb? It isn't dumb it's how you get your series of character drama off the ground & green lit by integrating it with an established brand while giving a story that doesn't pigeon hole you into "stargate sg-1 part 2" or "atlantis part 2" hence why no galatic travel via gates (preventing you from becoming sg-1 v2" and no shuttle/ship to everywhere then back to your "home base city" (becoming atlantis v2)


Tim

[wolverine_nl]

yes if you want the logic of seederships that scout the whole galaxy and seed a whole galaxy, then it is a plot hole. but if the intention was never to seed a whole galaxy. I said in another thread that it doesnt seem logic that these seederships are the same they used to seed gates in Pegasus and the MW, these are specifically for Destiny and her mission. I think the gates are not made of naq. otherwise the amount of naq they would need to take with them would be too much

[blackluster]

I think the gates are there for resupply but their real-time subspace links also let Destiny get up-to-date info about every planet that they are on. It seems rather straightforward really...

[Aewon]

That sounds infinity less practical the just dropping out to study random planets your sensors detect.

How many times have the Enterprise crew been threatened and almost killed by exploring completely uncharted worlds? That's why we send unmanned probes first, to see if it's safe for humans. That's the other function of the Seeder ships. If not for those ships they wouldn't have locked out the more dangerous planets.

[ThePlut]

I think the "message" and the Stargates are linked at a fundamental level. Stargate technology is based on the idea of virtually instantaneous communication between two extremely distant points in the universe in order to connect a source and destination. As distance increases, so do power requirements. But what if it's not really a wormhole, but a network that's being accessed by the Stargates, one that links the whole universe together, every point.

My thinking is that may be what cause the original split between the Alterans and the Ori, the discovery of this message and what it meant led to the development of the communication stones (ability to sent a consciousness a vast distance virtually instantaneously). What this message meant (technological origin vs. higher power/religion) led to the split.

Later, the Alterans advanced the stone technology to the movement of people and objects between source and destination, at the cost of tremendous power, a brute force method of accessing this network.

This message contains the information to access this universal network and how to use it. Destiny and the seeders were launched to discover the rest of the message by accessing this network throughout the universe, gaining information about it. When enough of the message is known, it will provide the ability to link the whole universe via the stargates with a less "brute force" method than simple power demands...

[James71]

I still find it a fascinating idea that there is a chain of galaxies spanning from the milkyway to where destiny is, and gate systems in all those galaxies. Were we to send out a 304 from pegasus we could easily reach the next galaxy with gates in a few weeks. It's an ancient breadcrum trail.

There are gaps in the network. Remember how often Destiny has stopped with zero gates within range?
So clearly there are areas where it would be impossible to do the Pegasus/Milky Way gate system for a 30 minute trip.

[Wayston]

There are gaps in the network. Remember how often Destiny has stopped with zero gates within range?
So clearly there are areas where it would be impossible to do the Pegasus/Milky Way gate system for a 30 minute trip.

this is very true, but it's also worth remembering it has been alluded there are quite a lot of seeder ships out there, although there would likely always be gaps the specific path destiny is following does not seem to be the only one. It probably chooses from several possible branches depending on its needs at the time (and it doesn't always need to be in range of gates). Plus the dropping out of FTL with nothing interesting around was implied to be due to Rush's doing.