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    Default Simeon unrealistically overpowered.

    During his rampage through destiny, he managed to take down 5 marines, killing 2 of them, and managed to wound 3 more military personnel on the planet.

    The entire Lucian Alliance Incursion ended with only a few wounded military personnel and 2 dead marines.

    The crew seemed to have suffered more casualties from one Lucian Alliance soldier than they did from a whole invading force of them.

    That seems that a pretty unrealistic contrivance to further a story that honestly shouldn't have happened.

    Seriously, it was ridiculous how quickly those marines were being dropped by a single guy with a pistol.
    These are the wrong people... in the wrong place.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    Armed and ready for the Lucian Alliance in Incursion. Simeon had the element of surprise in Malice
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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Armed and ready for the Lucian Alliance in Incursion. Simeon had the element of surprise in Malice
    Even still, they were taken by surprised by the Alliance during Incursion. You'd think they'd take heavier casualties by guys firing machine guns rather than a single dude with a pistol.
    These are the wrong people... in the wrong place.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    Even still, they were taken by surprised by the Alliance during Incursion. You'd think they'd take heavier casualties by guys firing machine guns rather than a single dude with a pistol.
    lol, no, they were forewarned in the first case. Simeon had gained complete surprise in this ep. Considering Simeon's background, I wouldn't be surprised if he had more combat experience than every earth soldier on Destiny with the exception of Young himself.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    The big firefights in the corridors during the Incursion were rapid-fire rifle rounds bouncing off walls and grazing people left and right in very close quarters. Malice had Simeon with a pistol, walking through the halls, shooting off lights and taking marines by surprise with well-placed shots. Nothing crazy, just walking around and pulling the trigger before the others could see it coming. No less unrealistic than two redshirt Wraith getting downed by Shepperd or something.
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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    I could easily believe Simeon would get the jump on his personal guard and Ginn/Perry. Those were likely silent kills with the element of surprise. No gunshots fired.

    But once Simeon went loud with shots fired, that would have been his last kill with the element of surprise. So I could reasonably believe 2 more easy kills in that manner.

    It should have been MUCH tougher after that.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    He's the sort of charecter that is trained and born to kill. I'm sure if Greer was the man going nuts and on a rampage he'd be able to do as much damage.

    And you can't really compare two different types of battles and say he's op. Element of surprise and quick reflexes make all the difference.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    The soldiers on Destiny weren't expecting anyone to attack them. Even the best trained soldiers can be killed or wounded if they are caught off guard.


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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    One person is easier to hide, get the jump on people, and/or move about than the larger groups who initially invaded Destiny from The LA.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    You must hate Riddick then.

    And Batman.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo_Galilee View Post
    You must hate Riddick then.

    And Batman.
    and the SGA main characters roaming around hive ships
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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Armed and ready for the Lucian Alliance in Incursion. Simeon had the element of surprise in Malice
    Indeed, not to mention we don't know how large Destiny is so many corridors could be empty enough for him to find the right route to go undetected for a while.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    The whole problem with Simeon is that he should have had two guards on them. All the LA people had two guards initially, and out of all the LA, he was the only one who showcased a problem afterward. Not to mention, Greer knew he was bad news. The fact that it was reduced to one guard was just another sad, stupid move.

    The two guards standing outside the armory were stupid, too. The lights suddenly go out, and you just stand there? Especially after you just hear on the radio that Ginn is down and that Simeon is unaccounted for? They should have had their guns out and taking cover. It kinda puts a lie to what Young said about them being skilled and trained for this.

    Young should have immediately assumed he was heading to a vital area, and thus ordered guards to cover them: gate room, armory, or bridge. Once those are covered, you can begin your search.

    Instead, it really feels like everything was specifically set up to allow Simeon to kill Ginn/Perry and then escape off the ship. So Simeon wasn't overpowered, but more like the other side was considerably underpowered.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiphantom View Post
    The whole problem with Simeon is that he should have had two guards on them. All the LA people had two guards initially, and out of all the LA, he was the only one who showcased a problem afterward. Not to mention, Greer knew he was bad news. The fact that it was reduced to one guard was just another sad, stupid move.

    The two guards standing outside the armory were stupid, too. The lights suddenly go out, and you just stand there? Especially after you just hear on the radio that Ginn is down and that Simeon is unaccounted for? They should have had their guns out and taking cover. It kinda puts a lie to what Young said about them being skilled and trained for this.

    Young should have immediately assumed he was heading to a vital area, and thus ordered guards to cover them: gate room, armory, or bridge. Once those are covered, you can begin your search.

    Instead, it really feels like everything was specifically set up to allow Simeon to kill Ginn/Perry and then escape off the ship. So Simeon wasn't overpowered, but more like the other side was considerably underpowered.
    I agree, thats exactly how it came off as to me. It was a little boring to have him simply walk up and cap people, like those people weren't watching the entrances to the hallway they were guarding. I would have preferred he would have done something more creative, or at least had our guys fight back slightly.
    For me the fault was in the execution

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loheat View Post
    I agree, thats exactly how it came off as to me. It was a little boring to have him simply walk up and cap people, like those people weren't watching the entrances to the hallway they were guarding. I would have preferred he would have done something more creative, or at least had our guys fight back slightly.
    For me the fault was in the execution
    I didn't mind that scene too much, but I agree. My main beef with it was though that the armoury wasn't locked.
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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    At first when I was watching this I was thinking "wow they really underestimated this guy" but after thinking about it a bit more he didn't really do anything particularly incredible on his own. He wasn't even a particularly good shot, missing the main characters several times when he had all the time in the world to line up initial shots on them from ambush.

    Basically Simeon didn't do anything particularly impressive, it was just the SGU security being retarded that enabled him to be as successful as he was. First, as I think was pointed out, why wasn't security on him increased given the problems he'd been causing in the past. They started out escorting all LA people but as some of them lost their escorts those escorts could have simply be rotated on to him so he had at least 2 men on him at all times.

    It was fairly obvious early on that if anyone was going to cause problems it was going to be him.

    There was nothing too inherently implausible about his escape though, aside from maybe how empty all the vital areas seemed to be, thus preventing anyone calling in his location. The SGU military teams are under manned, under supplied and likely overworked. It's not surprising that things would gradually start to slip until something really nasty like this comes along and shows just how far they have.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    There is a reason why the Army prefers to use a small detachment of highly trained soldiers to sneak around enemy territory and cause precise but devastating damage to the enemy as opposed to a direct full frontal assault. And I think Simoen displays this point perfectly.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    There was nothing too inherently implausible about his escape though, aside from maybe how empty all the vital areas seemed to be, thus preventing anyone calling in his location. The SGU military teams are under manned, under supplied and likely overworked. It's not surprising that things would gradually start to slip until something really nasty like this comes along and shows just how far they have.
    but on the ship there's no sense of day or night. given the utter emptyness of the ship, i'd say it was in the middle of the night.


    anyway when he shoots the two guards, one guy is shot, the other is about to think WTF and gets shot, then Simeon KEEPS HIS GUN POINTED AT HIM.


    up next, he defeats a guard singlehandedly. considering that Dunning was alone at the arms room, all time simeon needed was one second.


    on the planet, he had the advantage of terrain and being there first. he killed two kinos, and landed a few shots.


    if anything, his actions on the planet were to stall. from the looks of when rush defused the bomb, he intended to kill rush and immediately dial to escape.




    but i think most of the episode was "caught offguard".

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Detox View Post
    That seems that a pretty unrealistic contrivance to further a story that honestly shouldn't have happened.

    Seriously, it was ridiculous how quickly those marines were being dropped by a single guy with a pistol.
    If the action had been displayed in typical stormtrooper effect fashion then maybe I'd see your point but he clearly got the drop on everyone he engaged. These weren't straight up fights. There is a big difference between fighting an invading army for territory and fighting one gorilla warrior who was had plenty of time walking around to understand the security deployments and plan how he was going to do this.

    On paper okay maybe it sounds odd but given the context, what we were shown, his effectiveness made sense.

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    Default Re: Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

    I rewatched it and when Simeon shoots the 2 guys guarding the armoury they are really taken by suprise. It's not like Simeon came down the hall like a target. The second guard looks around him to find the attacker before he goes down too.

    Wasn't Dunning one of the 2 standing at the armoury btw?


    Also when he shoots the marine outside the gateroom, he emerges ( nicely dramatically ) from smoke. What trick did he pull there?

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