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  1. #81
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    Default Re: 'Visitation' (209) General Discussion

    I like the fact that they have a shuttle now, which is convenient given next weeks previews. What i'm wondering though, is if it'll be more capable now that it's fully refurbished to like new condition, maybe a shield generator of its own? too much to ask for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by majorsal View Post
    but what was the 'purpose' of bringing them all back (and back to life), only to have them all die again?

    if the aliens could reanimate them, why let them die again?
    I doubt that we will ever get a satisfactory answer to this question I mean as some mentioned some beings like the Ascended ancients don't give a hoot about corporeal beings with the exception of a few of them.
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    Default A year later...

    This time last season, everyone was at everyone else's throats. I marvel at the progress that the trio of Rush, Wray and Young have made in their working relationships. It just feels odd, in retrospect, that everyone is working together amicably.

    It may just have been my imagination, but was there more than mutual respect in the scenes Wray and Young shared? I wouldn't quite call it friendship yet, but there's something there that I can't quite put my finger on...

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    So this was Remi's first episode written. Personally I think he did a great job. Overall he did a good job. Still it's kinda hard to tell where the episode fits in. Don't get me wrong... but in the past the writers left us off with several big holes, like the Rush/Mandy and the Eli/Ginn inner conflict, or the lucian alliance guys being held in their quarters (like what's their state after the other guy rampaged?), or Telford being left on the Seedship with the aliens. The "Faith" story to me wasn't too much of an plot hole to me. People decided to leave the ship, they stay on planet, live their lifes and all that stay's back on Destiny are memorys (or in Destinys term "simulations"). I'm kinda suprised they picked up this arc again. This could easily have been one of the Elements which we'll never gonna see again in the whole Series (We'll I'd like to compare it to things like Ava from SGA 4.15 left behind in the simulation, Young Jack o Neill clone living his life, the woman Jack fell in love with on that planet he was trapped on before Teal'c came to rescue him and so on).

    Well about the episode itselfe, it really has some great moments. Especially Greer & Chloe. I loved it how he overcame himselfe and his ideals (you know, being aware of anything that could be an enemy) and beg Chloe for forgivenes when time comes he has to fulfill his duty to protect the crew. Just 2 things that bugged me a bit. One is that I think Young could have told "the others" about what happened to Chloe and Rush, being implanted beacons / being infused with an Alien Virus or Alien DNA which could have made it easier for the other's to understand why the crew is so sceptic about and keeping distance to them. The other thing is Greer saying that he've seen a lot of people going, but never seen anyone come back, which sounds like a deep thought. But in relation to SGU he kinda saw Rush being gone, Chloe being gone... and both came back as well in one way or another. Well these are just tiny bits for my feeling of storytelling.

    Oh well... another element I kinda missed was Eli suffering from Ginn's death. Personally I think this would have fit perfectly into the B-Story. Eli is seeing Chloe giving up... how she comes clean that she wont be herselfe for much longer and being killed due to this could have screwed him even more... you know... slowly losing another person he's being close to. Which kinda makes me think if the writers / producers watch their previous episodes? I mean... on one side, the pick up screwed characters (T.J. and her baby) on the other side screwed characters behave like normal (Eli and Rush). Maybe it's just a problem of a messws up episode airing order... at least I hope so. Still will be weird if Eli/Rush suffer from their losses in future episodes.

    So much for my conclusion... I've been a SciFi Fan in terms in cases of SG1 and SGA... and never liked BSG or the BSG way of storytelling... but... this episode is one I really liked. Not VFX heavy... much character centric... probably not part of the "season story arc", but still no filler episode... more like part of the "series story arc" (I'm not sure about this... 10 more episodes to tell). I like it how the story was told.

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    Default Re: A year later...

    Well, there's really nowhere to go but up after attempted murder and mutiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majorsal View Post
    but what was the 'purpose' of bringing them all back (and back to life), only to have them all die again?

    if the aliens could reanimate them, why let them die again?
    Maybe it was just Return to Sender.

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    In any case, the new dynamic is an interesting change. And as much as I enjoyed the near-constant antagonism this whole time, I think it was time for something else. Not that I expect it to be sunshine and roses from here on out, but this "working together" thing is nice too. >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by senilegreen View Post
    It's easy to pick apart scripts of weekly series, because the stories tend to not be thought about for a long enough time to work out all the holes... nevertheless here I go:

    One thing that bugged me about this episode is the death of the people on the Faith planet. Yes, I know the writers threw in that Greer line about them being scientists and thus having no survival skills, but that is weak. They were smart humans and would have figured out the following:

    1) When fall came and they realized winter on the planet was going to be cold why not migrate south? They all had healthy legs - humans can walk several miles/day. Believe it or not, humans migrated across NE Siberia, through Alaska, down Canada, in the rest of the Americas at the height of the last glaciation on this planet!! It was damn more cold then (about 17000 years ago) then it is today, and yet humans made the journey, and did it fairly quickly too.

    2) Figuring out how to build sufficient shelter/fires. If they can make candles (out of bees wax?) then they can make shelter for themselves.

    The SGU writers just aren't handling real humanity very well. For some TV series that wouldn't matter, but SGU is being presented, week by week, as some serious study in humanity, with lots of introspection and inter-personal dialogue.
    1. If they move to the south, they will lose the shuttle, so they don't want to lose the only shelter.
    2. There is no sign of animals there, not mention bees, so there is no wax.

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    Default Re: A year later...

    Perhaps Wray has come to respect Young after she saw how he pulled himself out of the pit of depression he was in a few episodes earlier and how he's now trying to cooperate with Rush.

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    Default Re: A year later...

    Well technically it's only been 10 months to those on destiny.

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    Default Re: 'Visitation' (209) General Discussion

    Definitely love this episode. But I am confused as well. Did they confirm all the planet crew member are dead on Destiny except Caine? Is there any possiblility some of their "bodies" could still alive on the ship? After all we don't know how long they could actually alive, even some of them died soon.

    All we know is some of them died in order, assuming those memories are real. Yes, I think the planet builder could easily plant some false memory in their minds. So I hope some could stay for a while lead us to what really happened.

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    All the ones that came back died except Caine. TJ confirmed it.

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    Default Re: 'Visitation' (209) General Discussion

    Bloody awful episode.

    I hated every last second of that... i almost turned it off, wasted opportunity.
    Jack O'Neill - "Hammond is insisting SG-1 needs a sociopolitical nerd to offset our overwhelming coolness."

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    Man, that was a rough episode.

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    The scene with Greer asking Chloe for forgiveness for what he may have to do was heart wrenching. He went about that with honor.

    Much respect Greer!

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    High level char development as usual. I liked that Yong is changed man - we can see it - he cared about TJ going trough emotions. Eli caring about loosing Chloe (he is outgrown crush on her and cares about her as friend). In same time ep is not preaching, not pulling down, just going trough all emotional backlog, leaving grieving, analyzing to us.

    Those "faith" aliens seems to be ascended ones but without silly/not-so-silly rules of non-involvement which binded Ancients. They reasoning seems to be very strange and I'm quite afraid that they don't have so good intentions. It remains to be seen what they are and what a @!#%@ they want from Destiny and it's team.

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    Default Re: 'Visitation' (209) General Discussion

    i partially recant my statement, everything Greer said in that episode was gold. Only shinning light in the bloody episode.
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    Default Re: A year later...

    It temporary, just wait until someone stabs someone in the back. It bound to happen sooner or later.
    Then it war an hate an fighting again.

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    So... Make a planet from stretch? Check. Instantly teleport people from one galaxy to the other? Check. Reanimate dead people? Check. Fix minor health issues like freezing or blunt force trauma? Fail.

    Yea... So... Maybe the ascended people put all of their really stupid people in this galaxy and we just happened to get unlucky and end up on one of their pet projects.

    The one shining point was geere and asking Chloe for forgiveness and being so blunt. Reminded me of jack a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmciglobal View Post
    So... Make a planet from stretch? Check. Instantly teleport people from one galaxy to the other? Check. Reanimate dead people? Check. Fix minor health issues like freezing or blunt force trauma? Fail.

    Yea... So... Maybe the ascended people put all of their really stupid people in this galaxy and we just happened to get unlucky and end up on one of their pet projects.

    The one shining point was geere and asking Chloe for forgiveness and being so blunt. Reminded me of jack a bit.
    I think it was quite obvious that they can do almost anything, but they can't give back their souls. Their deaths reminded me of bittersweet ending of Curbick's "A.I.", where David is given a chance to have a last day and say goodbye and goodnight with his "mom". However, anything else in their revival stays mystery - for example, why those aliens didn't help them survive on planet (as TJ dreamed they did), why return them to Destiny, etc. This is what makes this ep rather interesting and I hope we will get to know those faith aliens a little bit better in the future.

    Greer continues to shine. He is one of sanest person on the ship. Flawed, but still sanest.

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