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Things in Farscape that are stupid and outrageous.
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostWell it was rape, pure and simple, and was portrayed as such as well.
Farscape always had some pretty disturbing content, who remebers Scorpius making Grunchlk bite off his own fingers? Good Times.sigpic
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Originally posted by rushy View PostOh, dear. Have you watched Farscape? THERE WERE NO FALSE JOHNS!!! THEY GUY GOT TWINNED!!! BY THE TIME JOHN WAS IN THE "LOCKET" SITUATION, HE HAD MET JACK AND HAD GOTTEN THE INFO FROM HIM!!!!!!
JOHN HAD BEEN GIVEN WORMHOLE KNOWLEDGE, NAMELY HOW TO FIND AND TRAVEL THROUGH WORMHOLES. HE HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN WORMHOLE WEAPON KNOWLEDGE. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
IT TOOK ANCIENT JACK TO GIVE JOHN² THAT INFORMATION WHILE TRYING TO STOP THE SCARRANS AND FURLOW, AND AFTER JOHN² RECEIVED WORMHOLE WEAPON KNOWLEDGE, HE DIED FROM RADIATION POISONING. SO THE ORIGINAL/UN-SPLIT/DEFAULT/SINGLE VERSION OF JOHN NEVER HAD THE INFORMATION SCORPIUS WAS LOOKING FOR WHEN "The Locket" TOOK PLACE A FULL SEASON EARLIER.
IT WAS NOT UNTIL PEACEKEEPER WARS WHEN EINSTEIN GAVE THE OTHER JOHN (WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL, AS YOU NEVER KILL OFF THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER AND REPLACE HIM WITH A COPY) GAINED THAT KNOWLEDGE.
And no, never seen an episode of Farscape in my life.
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^^ My interpretation was that both Johns carried the knowledge to create weapons, but it was locked away and encrypted. He had it the whole time, but just couldn't access it. And for whatever reason, Harvey couldn't either. Harvey knew there was stuff there but he couldn't decipher it and neither could Scorpy's scientists when he pulled the chip. Though given enough time they might have eventually if Crichton hadn't blown the command carrier.
Originally posted by from Infinite PossibilitiesJohn: You got a plan?
Jack/Ancient: Yes. Something the Ancients wouldn't permit. Their sanctuary's under threat. I believe we can convert this phase stabilizer to another function.
John: We?
Jack/Ancient: Yes. Your knowledge of this level of technology is greater than mine. Alone, I'd never be able to complete the modifications in time.
John: Except I don't know how this thing works much less how to modify it - I won't be much help.
Jack/Ancient: Yes you will. During our last encounter, the Ancients embedded something else deep within your memory. The equations to create wormholes. It wasn't meant to be accessed consciously, but merely to guide you.
John: Guide me? Why not just give it to me?
Jack/Ancient: Because it was important that you develop it on your own. Or else not at all.
John: Is that some sorta rule? Only hints otherwise it's cheating?
Jack/Ancient: There were Ancients who didn't want to give you anything. This knowledge is very dangerous.
John: Yeah I know - so give me the useless consolation prize.
Jack/Ancient: No not useless. It was meant to keep you on the right path. Possibly subtracting years from your research.
John: Possibly. Well thanks for the help.
Jack/Ancient: John, this knowledge may save all of our lives here. I can unlock it!
John: And what will your friends think about that?
Jack/Ancient: They'd stop me if they could. If they knew what you and I were creating here, they'd kill us both.
[toss Harvey from the rollercoaster]
Jack/Ancient: John? It's time to go to work. If you're feeling strong enough.
John: I'm good. But ah - you better unlock that wormhole information inside my head.
Jack/Ancient: I just did.
John: You did? Really?
Jack/Ancient: It doesn't happen instantaneously. Your mind couldn't process all those equations at once. Give it a little time.
Originally posted by from PKWCRICHTON: Einstein! It's time!
EINSTEIN: Indeed.
CRICHTON: Unlock the knowledge. I have to make peace.
Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostFarscape always had some pretty disturbing content, who remebers Scorpius making Grunchlk bite off his own fingers? Good Times.IMO always implied.
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Originally posted by saberblade View Postcaps lock war.
John had been given wormhole knowledge, namely how to find and travel through wormholes. He had not been given wormhole weapon knowledge. There is a big difference.
It took ancient jack to give john² that information while trying to stop the scarrans and furlow, and after john² received wormhole weapon knowledge, he died from radiation poisoning. So the original/un-split/default/single version of john never had the information scorpius was looking for when "the locket" took place a full season earlier.
It was not until peacekeeper wars when einstein gave the other john (who was the original, as you never kill off the original character and replace him with a copy) gained that knowledge.
And no, never seen an episode of farscape in my life.
WHY DID HARVEY CONTACT SCORPY THEN WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE THE WEAPON KNOWLEDGE. SURE HE HAD THE WORMHOLE TRAVELING ONE BUT SCORPY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THAT AT ALL."I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care... or why it should be necessary to prove it at all."
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Originally posted by rushy View PostWar it is.
WHY DID HARVEY CONTACT SCORPY THEN WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE THE WEAPON KNOWLEDGE. SURE HE HAD THE WORMHOLE TRAVELING ONE BUT SCORPY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
I'm not exactly sure he knew that with that info he could use it to create such weapons at the time he put the chip in John. He just knew Crichton had traveled through a wormhole and then the Ancients put some wormhole knowledge in his head. He didn't know what it did because he'd never seen it used like the dead Crichton used it against the Scarran dreadnought. After that happened then everyone knew they could use wormholes as a weapon rather than just traveling through them.IMO always implied.
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Originally posted by LoneStar1836 View Post^^ My interpretation was that both Johns carried the knowledge to create weapons, but it was locked away and encrypted. He had it the whole time, but just couldn't access it. And for whatever reason, Harvey couldn't either. Harvey knew there was stuff there but he couldn't decipher it and neither could Scorpy's scientists when he pulled the chip. Though given enough time they might have eventually if Crichton hadn't blown the command carrier.
Originally posted by from Infinite Possibilities
Spoiler:John: You got a plan?
Jack/Ancient: Yes. Something the Ancients wouldn't permit. Their sanctuary's under threat. I believe we can convert this phase stabilizer to another function.
John: We?
Jack/Ancient: Yes. Your knowledge of this level of technology is greater than mine. Alone, I'd never be able to complete the modifications in time.
John: Except I don't know how this thing works much less how to modify it - I won't be much help.
Jack/Ancient: Yes you will. During our last encounter, the Ancients embedded something else deep within your memory. The equations to create wormholes. It wasn't meant to be accessed consciously, but merely to guide you.
John: Guide me? Why not just give it to me?
Jack/Ancient: Because it was important that you develop it on your own. Or else not at all.
John: Is that some sorta rule? Only hints otherwise it's cheating?
Jack/Ancient: There were Ancients who didn't want to give you anything. This knowledge is very dangerous.
John: Yeah I know - so give me the useless consolation prize.
Jack/Ancient: No not useless. It was meant to keep you on the right path. Possibly subtracting years from your research.
John: Possibly. Well thanks for the help.
Jack/Ancient: John, this knowledge may save all of our lives here. I can unlock it!
John: And what will your friends think about that?
Jack/Ancient: They'd stop me if they could. If they knew what you and I were creating here, they'd kill us both.
[toss Harvey from the rollercoaster]
Jack/Ancient: John? It's time to go to work. If you're feeling strong enough.
John: I'm good. But ah - you better unlock that wormhole information inside my head.
Jack/Ancient: I just did.
John: You did? Really?
Jack/Ancient: It doesn't happen instantaneously. Your mind couldn't process all those equations at once. Give it a little time.
"First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"
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"Arise, Woolseyus Prime."
"Elizabeth..."
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Originally posted by Replicator Todd View PostIMO the only stupid thing about Farscape was that it was cancelled.sigpic
MS - "Boy, wow that's a great question!"
"...phu...ah..."
"Anyone know what SENTIENT means???"
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Originally posted by the fifth man View PostEach of those episodes had their moments IMO. I don't really view any Farscape episodes as totally stupid.
Only thing that would make it better would be to bring it back with the original cast.
We want more FARSCAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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