Telford Stone Use

[Shai Hulud]

Young's killed him once, he can do so again!

[smart]

Based on Telford's comment of how the list he devised was based on the recommendations made by both him and Camille and how Camille was delivering the list with him, I assume that she had a hand in getting Telford access to the communication stones so that he could use his influence on Earth to help secure some of the lives of the prisoners[ in essence act as a source for helping her achieve her goals]. Based on this it may seem that Wray would prefer Telford leading the ,military on Destiny as opposed to Young. This may lead to interesting storyline as the season progresses in terms of Wray utilizing other opportunities to undermine Young , in support ofTelford's leadership practices.

[Gollumpus]

Based on Telford's comment of how the list he devised was based on the recommendations made by both him and Camille and how Camille was delivering the list with him, I assume that she had a hand in getting Telford access to the communication stones so that he could use his influence on Earth to help secure some of the lives of the prisoners[ in essence act as a source for helping her achieve her goals]. Based on this it may seem that Wray would prefer Telford leading the ,military on Destiny as opposed to Young.

What Wray wants is for Wray to be in charge of the military, and at the moment, she would prefer Telford to command it on her behalf. At some point, assuming Telford did gain command, Wray would grow disenchanted with Telford and would seek putting someone like Scott in charge. The process would continue until such time that someone over whom Camille had complete control, was in charge of the military.

regards,
G.

[Avenger]

I don't believe Young completely trusts Telford. The brainwashing has been removed but there's too much that's unknown about Telford's character or his agenda to be sure that the issues with the LA were purely a matter of being brainwashed. I think Young is walking a pretty fine line with this

Agreed. Telford went behind his back with Wray to have some of the LA retained on Destiny. That's not something Young wanted. So even if there weren't other issues before between the two of them, now there definitely is.

[Shadow_7]

Assuming that Telford actually used the stones to start with. Ultimately he would have to as he's the one with all of the LA intel. Perhaps even knowledge of other Icarus type planets. But I don't currently think that he actually did use the stones. And is otherwise pushing his own agenda, and/or seeing how much he can get away with. While he can.

[Shai Hulud]

What Wray wants is for Wray to be in charge of the military, and at the moment, she would prefer Telford to command it on her behalf. At some point, assuming Telford did gain command, Wray would grow disenchanted with Telford and would seek putting someone like Scott in charge. The process would continue until such time that someone over whom Camille had complete control, was in charge of the military.

Which is exactly why she should get blown out of an airlock at the first available opportunity. She's a conniving, manipulative, self serving politician, the sort that come the revolution gets lined up against a wall and shot. She still seems to think that she is part of a civilian program / mission whereas in reality Destiny is a military command.

[tinerin]

Assuming that Telford actually used the stones to start with. [...] But I don't currently think that he actually did use the stones.

What makes you think he didn't use the stones though? Don't you think Young would have either gone himself or sent someone he trusts (like Greer) to use the stones and confrirm the orders before following them? In my opinion, the only reason you didn't actually see Telford on Earth is because of the limited amount of time per episode (like where Rush's scene with O'neill was cut from the pilot) or for financial reasons so they didn't have to pay RDA.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

What makes you think he didn't use the stones though? Don't you think Young would have either gone himself or sent someone he trusts (like Greer) to use the stones and confrirm the orders before following them? In my opinion, the only reason you didn't actually see Telford on Earth is because of the limited amount of time per episode (like where Rush's scene with O'neill was cut from the pilot) or for financial reasons so they didn't have to pay RDA.

and that's provided he even talked to O'Neill.
There's no way to be certain who he went back to talk to other than his say so.

[Confessor Rahl]

He was brainwashed and he's no longer brainwashed. He is now a mole

Seems pretty simple to me.

[tinerin]

But again, why wouldn't Young verify O'neill's orders, either personally or by sending someone he trusts, especially if he doesn't believe Telford? Since Telford doesn't outrank Young, Young isn't required to follow Telford's orders so he'd only follow them if there was some sort of verification (like a special code O'neill gave Telford).

Also, if Telford didn't actually use the stones, what's to stop Young from just abandoning the leftover Lucian Alliance in the next episode?

Another thing to keep in mind, is that Mallozzi said you'll actually see less of the stone usage this season because that's what the fans wanted. So instead of having five minutes of Wray and Telford talking to their superiors on Earth, you just end up with them giving Young the 30 second cliff notes version. There's alot of legitimate production reasons why you didn't actually see Telford and O'neill talking but if they set the precedent about people lieing about stone usage, then fans would have doubts every time anyone claims to have used the stones and you'd end up with 5-10 minutes every episode of people on Earth...

[Shai Hulud]

Seems pretty simple to me.

Young alludes to the fact that the military personnel don't see Telford as one of their own anymore when Telford tells him he has used the stones. He's certainly not part of the military hierarchy on the ship and the military don't trust him, the LA prisoners have a fair idea that he was behind Kiva's death so they arent going to trust him either. He can hardly be an effective mole if he's the most hated person on the ship whom nobody trusts?

[Shadow_7]

The fact that Young can drop off the remainging LA at the next planet is probably why he followed it anyway. Until it can be verified. But we never saw Telford use the stones. And we didn't have time in that sequence of events to verify it (yet). But we had time to take about ten minutes watching TJ wake up to the faith planet.

[tinerin]

The fact that Young can drop off the remainging LA at the next planet is probably why he followed it anyway. Until it can be verified. But we never saw Telford use the stones. And we didn't have time in that sequence of events to verify it (yet).

Considering that the stones work instantly, it'd take maybe five minutes for Young to pick someone to send back to Earth, say Chloe, for their identity to be verified on Earth, for someone at Homeworld Security to confirm O'neill's orders and for that person to report back to Young. Would you really prefer that they had cut five minutes out of the episode just to show that? We never saw Wray use the stones either but Mallozzi confirmed on his blog that the Lucian Alliance's plans to attack Earth factors in to later episodes, and, based on Simeon's original casting information, it likely factors in to why he was chosen to be kept on Destiny even though he's likely to instigate more attacks on the crew.

But we had time to take about ten minutes watching TJ wake up to the faith planet.

Except that we know this storyline has some significance in a later episode because we'll see the people from the Faith planet back on Destiny.