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    Cheers, Bigmouth. But I hasten to point out that it's not "my" ordering, I'm just summarizing and paraphrasing what's been worked out by the army of Star Wars fans on Wookieepedia
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    I hope i havent missed out on this thread. If your still monitoring this Digifluid, post up. I have some questions and you have done the research to help me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Cheers, Bigmouth. But I hasten to point out that it's not "my" ordering, I'm just summarizing and paraphrasing what's been worked out by the army of Star Wars fans on Wookieepedia
    Wow. I had to look back to who I was replying to in this post, it looked like I was being an arse to someone

    Quote Originally Posted by jwinnington View Post
    I hope i havent missed out on this thread. If your still monitoring this Digifluid, post up. I have some questions and you have done the research to help me.
    I don't always remember to update this since--for a while now--the assumption has been that they're continuing in the order they've been airing (for the most part).

    But ask away and I will do my best to answer. Where I can't, I'm sure someone else can pitch in to help too. There's more than a few big SW nerds on this forum
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    I haven't read everything in this thread so i apologize if i repeat anything already covered. Thank you for putting the show in some kind of order. I am a big fan of the books and video games that have been around and I feel the clone wars show has kinda screwed some stuff up. i guess they aren't going to cover the dark reaper thing and the whole Boba Fett stuff has changed. Am i to assume that these shows are cannon and supersede everything before? Also what happen to the first two movies cartoon network came out with? where are they in this. It seems Lucas lets writers go ahead and write their books, puts his seal of approval on them and then changes it whenever he wants to. Yea hes got the right to do that but it really messes it up for fictional historians like me. Thank for listening and i hope i made sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwinnington View Post
    i guess they aren't going to cover the dark reaper thing
    Anybody's guess, but likely not. The show is generally considered to be taking place in 21 BBY, and the Dark Reaper was destroyed earlier in the war (in 22 BBY)

    Quote Originally Posted by jwinnington View Post
    and the whole Boba Fett stuff has changed.
    Not sure what's meant by this to be honest. Boba Fett has only had a handful of appearances in the TV show; I think it's only three right, which were a trilogy of one story. There's no reason why any EU stuff and any TCW stuff should be at odds.

    Quote Originally Posted by jwinnington View Post
    Am i to assume that these shows are cannon and supersede everything before?
    To a point, yes. The hierarchy of Star Wars canon runs:

    1. G-canon: The top tier of canon, which consists of everything in the two trilogies, and anything said by George Lucas. This level is essentially word-of-god. Anything that contradicts this canon level is wrong, fullstop.
    2. T-canon: Second tier, though it shares much in common with G-canon. It consists of both the animated Genndy series and the CGI TCW series, and will go on to include any other SW television series that get produced. This is the next level down of word-of-god for Star Wars. The TV series are absolute canon, and anything that contradicts them is incorrect--unless the show happens to contradict something from the two trilogies. If that happens, the show is wrong, and the movie is correct
    3. C-canon: Third tier, best known as the Expanded Universe. This includes novels, comics, short stories, eBooks, and video games. As with the level above, all of these are canon--except in cases where they contradict a higher tier of canon. When that happens, the C-level source is incorrect and in need of revision or retcon.
    4. S-canon: The mostly forgotten stuff, might be best referred to as soft canon. Stuff like the Marvel comics, and other material that predates the start of the effort to maintain a universe continuity. Occasionally, some of these will be elevated to C-canon if a C-canon writer directly recognizes it in one of their works.
    5. N-canon: Non-canon. The what-if Infinities, things irreconcilably at odds with higher levels of canon, and deleted scenes fall into this category.


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    Also what happen to the first two movies cartoon network came out with? where are they in this.
    Well they weren't movies, but they're still around and still T-canon. For some reason the DVDs seem to be out of production, but they're still generally respected and treated per their placement in the canon hierarchy.

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    It seems Lucas lets writers go ahead and write their books, puts his seal of approval on them and then changes it whenever he wants to. Yea hes got the right to do that but it really messes it up for fictional historians like me.
    Funny you should say something like this.... Someone over at Wookieepedia had a similarly themed comment yesterday, to which I wrote a long response. To save myself a lot of typing, I'll just copy and paste it over here. So please don't take offense at any of it, as this was prompted by both Wookieepedians and comments over there before I even saw you start posting over here



    Full text of my Wookieepedia rant:

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    OPENING DISCLAIMER: While prompted by the OP's comments, the comments below are in no way intended as a specific attack on any one individual. This, rather, is a comment more on the general state of fandom with regards to The Clone Wars.

    To be frank, I'm completely and utterly sick of the amount of whining to come out of the Star Wars community regarding The Clone Wars. Rule NUMBER ONE about the Star Wars universe: it's George Lucas's universe, and he can do whatever he likes with it. In the grand scheme of things, EU writers are nothing more than licensees who have been granted the high privilege of playing with GL's toys. If he decides he doesn't want Writer X to have control over it anymore because he wants to play with it, then tough s--t. They're his toys and this is what Writer X signed up for when they got on board.

    This is doubly true for us on the fan level, who have no say in the writing of canon. If god himself cracks open the sky to say "hey, Subject Y is going to look like this now," it doesn't matter what Preacher Joe says to the contrary. 'Subject Y looking like this now' is the reality of things, no matter how much anyone stamps their feet and moans to the contrary.

    This is why we, as both Star Wars fans and Wookieepedians, live and die by a strict hierarchy of canon. With G- and T-canon at the top of the pyramid, as effective word-of-god for the SW universe, we don't have canon contradictions, nor does G- or T-canon ever violate canon. All we have is a state of affairs in which old sources are incorrect and require retconning.

    This is not something to whine and be upset over, nor is it anything new. With dozens and dozens of authors involved in the EU since 1978 (34 years ago now), contradictions whether possible or in-fact have always been both potentiality and reality. Dozens of writers means dozens of different perspectives and interpretations of events that may or may not have been the intention of either George Lucas or other EU writers.

    As to Karen Traviss, I simply have to say "good riddance." As much as I enjoyed the Republic Commando series, and am still enjoying her work in the Gears of War universe, her exit from Star Wars was immature at best and downright petulant at worst. She knew very well everything I've elaborated on above, and rather than either live with the circumstances of what she had signed on for, or just to simply wait until the Mandalorian issues were resolved--which DID happen in the long run, just as everyone else knew it would be--she chose to have a tantrum and walk out. Besides being a deep disservice to the fans who lined her pockets by buying her Star Wars books, this was also staggeringly unprofessional.

    Now, to The Clone Wars itself: nobody, least of all EU writers, can say with a straight face that they couldn't see this coming. Lucas is a VFX man, always has been. Whether referring to his 2002 announcement of intent to make an animated series, or the 2005 announcement that they were planning a 3D continuation of said series, or even just basic logical reasoning, anybody and everybody should have known that the Clone Wars were just waiting to be portrayed in official media. In all bluntness, whining about TCW is like swimming in gasoline next to an open flame, and then being indignant when you're lit on fire. If you (the general "you", not referring to anybody in specific here) didn't see this coming, you probably deserve that stinging slap on the back of the head that you're feeling like you got.

    One final point here: length of time. The Clone Wars, specifically, has been known about since 2005--seven years now. And it's been releasing material since 2008--four years now. Whether you agree or disagree with any or all of the above, it's time to stop acting shocked and/or using excessive punctuation whenever something doesn't go precisely the way you'd prefer it had. This is the way things are, and this is how they've been for 4-7 years. It's long since past time when anyone can feign surprise over anything about the series.

    Put succinctly: deal with it.
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    Hope I answered your questions and didn't offend

    And it's always great to see another Star Wars fan on our little sub-forum here, so I do hope you'll stick around!
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    No offence taken. I have been on that ride for awhile now. I've gotten use to it. I do like the animated series and was wanting some kind of explanitation as to its order. I thank you for that.

    The Boba Fett thing is something i was looking into because I had just finished thoes Elizabeth Hand books and really enjoyed them. It does jive with Aura Sing in possession of slave 1 but the movie showed Boba using his fathers helmet as a booby trap. I dont believe he would have done that. But who knows. I am also looking on another site that I wanted to share with you but I am on my work computer and its so old, I forget how to bring up multiple pages. No worries, I'll just post it up tonight. Thanks.

    Joe

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    Aha, I do much the same as that in an Excel spreadsheet

    Though admittedly, yours is looking a little more complete than mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwinnington View Post
    Wow, thats a mega timeline lol.

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    it sure is. I think I may print it out and match it up with Digi's. I always wanted to take the longest wall in my house and write this out. Some day.

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    By the way Digi, I hope you didn't think that was my site. By the way you responded is why I mention it.

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    By the way Digi, I hope you didn't think that was my site. By the way you responded is why I mention it.
    Ah, okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by jwinnington View Post
    I haven't read everything in this thread so i apologize if i repeat anything already covered. Thank you for putting the show in some kind of order. I am a big fan of the books and video games that have been around and I feel the clone wars show has kinda screwed some stuff up. i guess they aren't going to cover the dark reaper thing and the whole Boba Fett stuff has changed. Am i to assume that these shows are cannon and supersede everything before? Also what happen to the first two movies cartoon network came out with? where are they in this. It seems Lucas lets writers go ahead and write their books, puts his seal of approval on them and then changes it whenever he wants to. Yea hes got the right to do that but it really messes it up for fictional historians like me. Thank for listening and i hope i made sense.

    Joe
    Between these two things (bolded) and the site you linked saying right at the top "Chronicled by Joe Bongiorno," I didn't think I had made an unreasonable conclusion
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    Haha, thats great. Sorry about that. Maybe i should have put self proclaimed in front of that. My obsesion started when i bought the New Essentials Chronology. I read that thing like three times. i've been captivated ever sense.

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    Hey Digi,

    What did you mean with;

    Second battle of Mon Calamari: Clone Wars adventures: Mission to iceburg three

    and

    clone wars XXII - XXV

    I have to apologies. It just may be I haven't seen or herd of these.

    Thanks
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    Oh

    Quote Originally Posted by jwinnington View Post
    Hey Digi,

    What did you mean with;

    Second battle of Mon Calamari: Clone Wars adventures: Mission to iceburg three
    The online game, Clone Wars Adventures ran a little tie-in feature before the premiere of Season 4. They implemented a mission quest into the game that was a bit of a prequel to 4.01. It's by no means important, and personally I'd even question how canon it is, but I didn't want to neglect it since it's part of the series.


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    and

    clone wars XXII - XXV

    I have to apologies. It just may be I haven't seen or herd of these.

    Thanks
    Joe
    The animated Genndy series. As they originally aired, each short was labeled "Chapter" whatever, and if I'm not mistaken that's how the DVD chapters are divided too (even though the Chapter x title cards are gone).

    Anakin's scar and knighthood place the CGI series in a bit of an odd spot. To have the two series consistent, they have to run: 1) animated series up until Anakin gets his scar and gets knighted; 2) TCW CGI series; 3) the remainder of the animated series (which is most of the Vol 2 DVD).
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    Is there even a concrete version of how he got the scar yet? Version I'm aware of is he got it in a fight with Ventress? I think that's from a comic book though so who knows if it's still canon.

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    It happened in the Genndy TV series, which makes it T-canon...
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    Thanks Digi. I may look for them just to say I'd seen them.

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    If you've ever seen Samurai Jack, that was Genndy's other well-known series; it and Clone Wars have a lot in common in terms of visual style and some things being really over-the-top.

    2001-04 -- Samurai Jack
    2003-05 -- Clone Wars

    Some of the voice acting in Clone Wars (particularly Anakin) is truly atrocious, but it's an interesting series even in spite of that.
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    The thing I wanted to know about with Boba Fett, I am under the impression that the slave 1 he has was his fathers. I ask because of 2 reasons.

    1. Ashoka cut a wing off and caused it to crash and assuming it was totaled.

    2. In the complete cut away book ( not sure of the tidal ), It shows Jango,s and Boba's version of the ship. They are different.

    So now i believe the two ships are different. I hope this made sense.

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