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    Quote Originally Posted by captain jake View Post
    I was going to ask why they kept their village so close to the StarGate, but I decided to go back and see if anybody had a theory. I saw that a couple of people had asked the question and a couple had a theory. They said that the gate had religious significance therefore they decided to creater there village around it.

    I believe that they keep the gate close for one reason and that is so they know when the Goa'uld are coming. As soon as the gate starts to light up they can run and flee. It gives them time to hide, whereas if they were far away they would be caught off guard. They follow a simple saying that makes complete sense "keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

    I apologize if someone had posted something similar to this before I didn't read every post, I just kind of skimmed.

    When the question was raised, I was thinking along the same lines. If they moved too far away what kind of alarm system would they have?

    And, no, I didn't see it mentioned either but I skimmed as well.



    I am a bit surprised that it too until page 3 to talk about war crimes, responsibility and accountability. I'm still unsure how I feel about that.

    The Byrsa's system of justice seems deeply flawed to me in that the victim decides the sentencing. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" or something like that. I had higher hopes when Hannan (sp?) bowed to Teal'c and asked his forgiveness. I thought perhaps heartfelt remorse and a plea for forgiveness would be what they wanted of Teal'c. Nope, vengance was the dish du jour.

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    That was probably the most unfair court system EVER. Guilty till provin innocent? Lol plus the guy already chose his dissicion before they even started the court.
    One of the most boring eps in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RononXSpecialist View Post
    That was probably the most unfair court system EVER. Guilty till provin innocent? Lol plus the guy already chose his dissicion before they even started the court.
    One of the most boring eps in my opinion.
    guilty till proven innocent is what health and safety is haha

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    having a population put Teal'c on trial for what he had done is a gem of an idea. One of my favourite season 1 episodes
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
    having a population put Teal'c on trial for what he had done is a gem of an idea. One of my favourite season 1 episodes
    Mildly surprised this kind of thing doesn't happen more often. Not that I want it to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulkesh47 View Post
    Mildly surprised this kind of thing doesn't happen more often. Not that I want it to!
    I agree, as FP of Apop., it logically should have happened more times, but oh well. I thought it was well done, and I loved Teal'c's paint.
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    If they did that more often people would whine rehash
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    If they did that more often people would whine rehash
    True. And TPTB would lose viewers.
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    This is not among my top episodes, but it's damn well written one nonetheless. I just recently watched this and was amazed.

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    This is a great episode for Teal'c. Very powerful.

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    I liked the way the characteres interacted in this ep. Sure it was a little predictable near the end, but I was curious to see how they were going to play it out. From how it started Teal'c was in trouble and not wanting to get himself out of it. He started off in trouble I found it interesting to see if ti could've got worse.

    Side note - they could've burried the gate, right?
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    Burying the gate could've attracted goa'uld ships and the destruction of the entire planet in retribution...

    Since it was obvious that Teal'c would survive, the rest of the plot was pretty predictable. And the arrival of the other goa'ulds was just a little too conveniently timed to be believable as a coincidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maneth View Post
    Burying the gate could've attracted goa'uld ships and the destruction of the entire planet in retribution...

    Since it was obvious that Teal'c would survive, the rest of the plot was pretty predictable. And the arrival of the other goa'ulds was just a little too conveniently timed to be believable as a coincidence.
    Yeah I guess.

    Sometimes a program can surprise you by making one of the main characters the focus, but using some of the other characters to fix the problem in a unique way, which was what I wanted to see (if they had of done that, but they didn't), however I was still happy when the predictable end ended with Teal'c being let go.

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    A strong average episode of season one. Makes you think a lot and develops Teal'C's character immensely. As someone posted earlier, it's clear now that Teal'C has truly changed, and that old Teal'C and new one are two very big differences. The new one is eager to help fight the Goa'Uld, though he's stubborn to understand the chain of command thing. The way I see it, and the way our government and army see it, a commander is responsible only for the orders he gave, and for the orders he followed, his CO is responsible for. Any orders are first followed, then they can be questioned, not vice versa. So I side with Jack, Sam, and Daniel on this one, that Hanno's father death was Apophis only guilt. Though neither Teal'C, nor Byrsa would want to believe this, and it's extremely unlikely to see Apophis going through cor-ai.

    Byrsa's court system is truly weird and wrong, I agree. If it was like this here on Earth... Well, you can imagine what would happen. The one thing I read back and disagree on this topic is about the death as punishment. Executions aren't merely punishment, they're public demonstration and means of control. When you watch execution, you subconsciouslly swap places with the criminal, and I'm sure that the amount of those willing to share the fate is extremely low, if not absent at all. Living with the sins can't redeem wrong doings, like Hanno said that no good deeds of Teal'C can bring his father back to life. So death sentences must exist.

    But that court showed us the role Daniel best suits for - speeches. His performance was brilliant without any doubt, he made crowd reacting in shock, talking with Teal'C and trying to prove that he's changed, even Hanno admitted the wisdom of his arguments before utterly defeating him with his last question about his dad.

    And it was extremely strange to see Hammond react reluctantly to help Teal'C out of the mess, but these scenes showed us the true place of Teal'C on Earth - an alien, maybe a friendly, but an alien. And Jack's "Since when?" line there was hilarious. No offense to Americans meant.

    Considering Shak'l attack on the village - well, if the Jaffa wouldn't show up, how Teal'C would survive? Besides, Hanno mentioned in the very beginning that the Goa'Uld were long overdue, so their appearance was expected any moment of the episode. And I too find it quite stupid to live so close to StarGate if it hurts that bad, but also I find Byrsa's will not to leave anyone behind honorable and respectful.

    Talking about the Cartego defences we offered... Well, since there's most likely nothing to learn from Byrsa, the defences will be probably just burying the gate.

    Oh, and there's one funny thing in this episode, though it exists only in Russian voiceover. Some wise guy translated "Cor-Ai" as "Corps-A1" and it aired. And, of course, there's that Daniel/Jack dialogue when the people return:

    : That's interesting. I wonder if everyone's coming from some religious event.
    : What does it always have to be a religious thing with you? Maybe they're coming from a swap meet.

    Anyways, it's a good episode, but it might have been shot better.

    6/10.
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    A fascinating episode. So many issues.

    1. What is justice? The Byrsan system protects the rights of the victim at the expense of impartial discovery of the facts. Our system goes so far to protect the rights of the accused that sometimes factual evidence is legally repressed.

    Note also that the Cor-Ai did not begin until Tealc confessed his guilt. Presumably a more mysterious case would have involved some other procedures. (Although those might have been equally primitive, such as trial by ordeal.)

    2. What responsibility do subordinates bear for the wicked orders which they have performed? Tealc obviously believed that any soldier chooses to obey and thus bears responsibility. Certainly the fate of a disobedient soldier, and especially that of a Jaffar, can be grievous; but Tealc recognized that the gravity of his crimes deserved a grave punishment. Had he disobeyed he would have died. Now that he had obeyed, he will also die.

    (On the other hand, the ending showed the virtues of forgiveness and reconciliation. That Tealc was willing to accept responsibility enabled his victim to honorably and mercifully forgive his wrongdoer. Had Tealc been stubborn or selfish, forgiveness would have seemed out of character for Hanno.)

    Of course, the true injustice was that Apophis could not be held responsible, as is usually the case in the matter of war crimes. How many commanders have ever been disciplined for the acts of their soldiers?

    3. Was capital punishment a just sentence for Tealc's crimes? "Whoso sheddeth the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed."

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    The only problem with this story was (as has been pointed out) the ridiculous self-imposed predicament of the viallgers. Move away from the Stargate, fools!

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    Something O'neil says in this episode.


    "The whole concept of Chain of command undermins the concept of free will."

    Superior Orders
    (often known as the Nuremberg Defense or Lawful Orders) is a plea in a court of law that a soldier not be held guilty for actions which were ordered by a superior office.[1] The superior orders plea is similar to the doctrine of respondeat superior in tort law where a superior is held liable for the actions of a subordinate, and the subordinate may escape liability.[2] Some legal scholars and war crimes tribunals will correlate the plea to the doctrine of respondeat superior; whereas others will distinguish the plea from the doctrine of respondeat superior.


    The superior orders plea as often regarded as the complement to Command responsibility.


    One of the most noted uses of this plea, or "defense," was by the accused in the 1945-46 Nuremberg Trials, such that it is also called the "Nuremberg Defense." The Nuremberg Trials were a series of military tribunals, held by the main victorious Allied forces of World War II, most notable for the prosecution of prominent members of the political, military, and economic leadership of the defeated Nazi Germany. It was during these trials, under the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal which set them up, that the defense of "Superior Orders" was no longer considered enough to escape punishment; but merely enough to lessen punishment.[4]

    Historically, the plea of "Superior Orders" has been used both before and after the Nuremberg Trials, with a notable lack of consistency in various rulings.

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    Teal'c is indeed a man of awesome character. He was willing to face his punishment and die, and determined not to run.

    Saquist, thank you for the information in the above post. I didn't know that.

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    I really liked this episode because it showed us more of Teal'c while he was first prime. It gave us the first hint too, that he believed the Gou'ld to be false gods long before SG1 came along.

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    So this episode annoyed me a lot... I know people have said some great things about it, but it annoyed me greatly. First of all: I already knew his character before this. He saved SG-1 and so you kind of knew he was a good guy. And I thought it was horrible you had to put him through that....yeah, not a big fan of this episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrinceOri View Post
    So this episode annoyed me a lot... I know people have said some great things about it, but it annoyed me greatly. First of all: I already knew his character before this. He saved SG-1 and so you kind of knew he was a good guy. And I thought it was horrible you had to put him through that....yeah, not a big fan of this episode.
    I think you missed the point... It's about more than Teal'c being a good guy. There are a few other lessons/ideas in that ep.


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