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    Lightbulb Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    I've always had this problem with Naquadah: it is specifically described as an "element" in several places, yet it's not one we're familiar with. Well, the only ones we're unfamiliar with don't exist in nature. There's no room to slide any more in, either. (For those of you who don't know, "elements" are pure atoms, in their most basic form, not mixed with anything else. Each atom has a unique atomic number, i.e. the number of protons in its nucleus. We know the atomic weights of each naturally occurring element, from atomic number 1 (hydrogen) to 92 (uranium), in a straight sequence with no gaps. We've also been able to manufacture heavier elements in the lab (93-112; 114; 116; 118).

    The thing is, the heavier elements are inherently unstable (i.e. radioactive). Intensely so; that's why uranium is used in atomic weapons and reactors. And the higher the atomic number, the more unstable and radioactive it is; the newest elements to be created/discovered only lasted a few seconds before decaying into lighter, stabler elements (giving off radiation in the process). Since the lighter elements are so well-known, any new element has to be higher than 112. Which means _highly_ unstable and radioactive. And this is the stuff they mine out of the ground with picks and axes, and make into everything? This is the stuff that Carter's got inside her? Why, I asked myself, didn't they all die of radiation poisoning?

    At last, I have my answer. I was watching a program on the Science channel this morning about the most important scientific discoveries of 2004, and they started talking about the new elements discovered last year. In the conversation, they mentioned that scientists are fairly sure that once you hit an atomic number of 130 or so, the elements would start to be stable again. Why they believe that they didn't say.

    But who cares! It solves the problem with Naquadah. Naquadah is indeed an element with a high atomic weight, probably somewhere in the 130's. That would also explain why pure naquadah is so heavy; it would have to be somewhere around twice the weight of lead. (Lead (Pb) has an atomic number of 82, a little over half that of what Naquadah would have to be.)

    So I propose an addition to the Periodic Table . I think Nh would be a good symbol for it (Na is already taken; it's sodium). Though I could be persuaded to go with Nq. Whatcha think?
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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Interesting, it would be a high number, but the raw naquada was not pure it does need to be refined, but I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

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    Fat.

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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    I wonder what an actual deposit would look like. And why would earth not have any?

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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Even if it was all used by the Anceints before they left our planet wouldn't there still be some traces over the years? Wouldn't the Earth naturally replace it when they left?

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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    I don't think Naquada is present on every planet, it seems to me to be present on about 50% ?? of planets.

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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Actually I think I remember hearing that Earth never had it.

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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    I think they said naquadah does not occur naturally in our solar system on several occations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderT
    Interesting, it would be a high number, but the raw naquada was not pure it does need to be refined, but I probably don't know what i'm talking about.
    Maybe in the series they are using refining differently than you are here. They may just mean removing the other substances that were taken out of the ground while mining the naquada? That would not be using the term correctly for the SG fellows but it would explain the contradiction and it wouldn't be the first time terminology has been misused.

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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice
    .... scientists are fairly sure that once you hit an atomic number of 130 or so, the elements would start to be stable again.
    <nods> In Torment of Tantalus, waay back in season one, Ernest said that there were 146 elements catalogued in the "Meaning of Life stuff" book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMForeman
    Fat.

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    I just remembered what that was refering to. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by DelTrax1
    Even if it was all used by the Anceints before they left our planet wouldn't there still be some traces over the years? Wouldn't the Earth naturally replace it when they left?
    Exactly. Assuming that there ever was naq in our solar system, which, according to show canon, there is not, and assuming the Ancients were somehow able to mine every last gram of the stuff from Earth, more would have eventually made its way to the surface of planets from the crucible of Earth's core in the millions of years since the Ancients would have stopped mining it here. This very fact proves, to me, at least, that the Ancients are not native to Earth.
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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    as naquadah and naquadria exist I think they might be referring to a compound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chyndonax
    Maybe in the series they are using refining differently than you are here. They may just mean removing the other substances that were taken out of the ground while mining the naquada? That would not be using the term correctly for the SG fellows but it would explain the contradiction and it wouldn't be the first time terminology has been misused.
    If we're talking about a mineral then refining would be freeing from impurities. Raw naquadah might well be an ore, in which case it would be a compound, not dissimilar to haematite, or simply a mixture of naquadah and assorted impurities.

    Naquadriah would have the same atomic number as naquadah, but most likely a higher atomic weight, since the description of it is most compatible with an unstable isotope, rather than a separate element.

    Finally, remember that naquadah makes a tragic mockery of about 90% of conventional physical laws.
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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    according to 'red sky' its around 200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Prophet

    Finally, remember that naquadah makes a tragic mockery of about 90% of conventional physical laws.
    And we all remember what Narim had to say about our grasp of physics.
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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Quote Originally Posted by DelTrax1
    I wonder what an actual deposit would look like. And why would earth not have any?
    Naquada in its raw form was shown in Stargate the movie when O'Neil & Jackson encountered the Abydonians.

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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Quote Originally Posted by Chyndonax
    Maybe in the series they are using refining differently than you are here. They may just mean removing the other substances that were taken out of the ground while mining the naquada? That would not be using the term correctly for the SG fellows but it would explain the contradiction and it wouldn't be the first time terminology has been misused.
    Well, "refining" anything doesn't mean _changeing_ it; it means taking all the impurities out of it. "Raw" anything (that is, as it is found in nature--in the ground, air, water, etc.) has to have all the other stuff taken out of it. Take gold, for example. In nature, it is found in solid chunks mixed with rocks. You refine it to get rid of the rock, so all you have left is the gold. Uranium is like that as well--to get reactor-quality uranium, you have to refine it and take all the other stuff out of it. In fact, almost all elements have to be refined and purified, if you find them in their natural states. So, yes, the way it has been used in Stargate until now is the correct terminology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qasimjavid
    as naquadah and naquadria exist I think they might be referring to a compound.
    Nope, not necessarily. Besides the fact that Nh is referred to numerous times as an element, Naquadriah could very well be an unstable isotope of it. (Or it could be some form of compound, but an unstable isotope seems more likely to me.) As an isotope, it could have its own name (and even chemical symbol); Deuterium (a hydrogen isotope; D) does, after all. Howabout Nh for naquadah, and Nq for Naquadria?
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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    What's wrong with Nq as Naquadah and Nr as Naquadriah?

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