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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Well, I'm a bit of a johnny come-lately to this thread, but here goes.

    First, while naquadria can be derived from naquada, I THINK that it's been stated by Carter or someone as being another element. If that's the case, it's likely that it's derived from Naquada in much the same way as Plutonium is derived from Uranium.

    This would especially make sense since you have weapons grade naquada. Using uranium as an example, uranium naturally occurs with different isotopes mixed together. Most of it is plain U-238 with a small amount of U-235 (approximately .7%). To make weapons grade Uranium, you have to seperate the two to increase the percentage of U-235. Weapon's grade uranium is typically about 80-85% U-235. It seems probable that naquada is similar and one of the isotopes is more unstable and thus fissionable.

    Trinium is NOT a superheavy element. It's apparently just something the producers pulled out of thin air. It's been stated that it's superlight and superstrong.

    Um, crap, I think there was some other stuff too but I forget what now. That's the most of it though.

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    Trinium could just have a really low density.

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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Wow, I am a nerd. I just read this entire thread.

    Anyway, it's rare to find any element in nature that is pure. There is always some level of contamination. So, naquadah could be found naturally bonded with another element and so purifying it till it's in a usable form.

    As for the naquardiah, I don't think that's an element, so much as a dirivative of naquadah. Pressure and time are basically geology; pressure and time is all it takes. Enough of it on naquadah and you could get naquadriah.

    Unless.... I think I might have missed something during that last episode with Jonas.
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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Tamer
    Anyway, it's rare to find any element in nature that is pure. There is always some level of contamination.
    Intersting point other heavy elements like uranium are found in ores (like uranium oxides). It would be intersting to see if naquadah has to be refined or if its pure...

    On another note, (my apologies if this has already been discussed) has anyone thought about whether liquid naquadah is also another element, an isotope or just a solution of naquadah? I'm leaning more towards solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tok'Ra Hostess
    If there was a naq asteroid impact on Earth we would have found evidence of it, even if the Ancients had mined it clean of naq.
    But how would you know it had Naquadah in it if it was wiped clean?


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    Quote Originally Posted by McKay's girl
    But how would you know it had Naquadah in it if it was wiped clean?
    Presumably there would still be trace amounts leftover that wouldn't be worth the time and effort mining? I seem to remember some episodes where Daniel Jackson could do soil tests for naquadah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McKay's girl
    But how would you know it had Naquadah in it if it was wiped clean?
    You know that something was there by1) physical remains of the substance, or, 2) the effects the substence had on its environment.

    Assuming that the Ancients had been able to locate and remove every atom of naquadah from Earth's soil, the type of crater a naq asteroid would have created would have been significantly different from the type made by a mostly nickel asteroid like the Sudbury astrobleme, not just in the size of the astrobleme, but in how the impact changed the basic structure of the native rock and even the local gravity. The naq impact crater would have left a fingerprint, if you will, that would be unique to it. There would be no other type of craters to compare, which fact would make geologists aware that something used to be here that isn't, now.
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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    I dont really know what it would be but it would be very high one would venture to guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky
    Intersting point other heavy elements like uranium are found in ores (like uranium oxides). It would be intersting to see if naquadah has to be refined or if its pure...

    On another note, (my apologies if this has already been discussed) has anyone thought about whether liquid naquadah is also another element, an isotope or just a solution of naquadah? I'm leaning more towards solution.
    Its gotta be refined. Remember Orpheus? That prison planet was a Naquadah refinery. Not to mention numerous mentions of "refined" or "weapons-grade" Naquadah.

    If liquid Naquadah were another element, it wouldn't be called the same thing, right? I've always wondered if it were maybe Nq hot enough to have melted, then kept at that temp using some kind of forcefield, but that's purely a WAG based on the fact that "liquid" implies to me that the chemical is the same, it's just in a different physical form--e.g. liquid ice is just water, and liquid gold is, well, melted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice
    Its gotta be refined. Remember Orpheus? That prison planet was a Naquadah refinery. Not to mention numerous mentions of "refined" or "weapons-grade" Naquadah.

    If liquid Naquadah were another element, it wouldn't be called the same thing, right? I've always wondered if it were maybe Nq hot enough to have melted, then kept at that temp using some kind of forcefield, but that's purely a WAG based on the fact that "liquid" implies to me that the chemical is the same, it's just in a different physical form--e.g. liquid ice is just water, and liquid gold is, well, melted.
    It would most likely be a solution. Such a heavy metal would have an insanely high melting point, and given that it is a power scource, the power needed to maintain that temerature would likely negate the benefits of melting it. Besides, it appears to be a greenish color, rather than the glowing white-hot appearance one would expect from something at such a n incredibly high temperature.

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    Well i would have to say that the reason naq is no longer here on eath is the fact that if naq has a higher atomic weight then the rate of decay wouldnt allow any more to naturally form after the amount was used up that came from the big bang. so if we nedd to prove that naq was possible the hadron collider would be the only way to prove it sort of going out of our solar system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatar28 View Post
    Well, I'm a bit of a johnny come-lately to this thread, but here goes.

    First, while naquadria can be derived from naquada, I THINK that it's been stated by Carter or someone as being another element. If that's the case, it's likely that it's derived from Naquada in much the same way as Plutonium is derived from Uranium.

    This would especially make sense since you have weapons grade naquada. Using uranium as an example, uranium naturally occurs with different isotopes mixed together. Most of it is plain U-238 with a small amount of U-235 (approximately .7%). To make weapons grade Uranium, you have to seperate the two to increase the percentage of U-235. Weapon's grade uranium is typically about 80-85% U-235. It seems probable that naquada is similar and one of the isotopes is more unstable and thus fissionable.

    Trinium is NOT a superheavy element. It's apparently just something the producers pulled out of thin air. It's been stated that it's superlight and superstrong.

    Um, crap, I think there was some other stuff too but I forget what now. That's the most of it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LtNOWIS View Post
    The problem with this system is that you sound stupid sounding out element 111, "unununium."
    That was my favorite element... until they changed it to Roentgenium...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArticWarrior View Post
    Well i would have to say that the reason naq is no longer here on eath is the fact that if naq has a higher atomic weight then the rate of decay wouldnt allow any more to naturally form after the amount was used up that came from the big bang. so if we nedd to prove that naq was possible the hadron collider would be the only way to prove it sort of going out of our solar system.
    ummm scientists have theorized that after a certain point on the periodic table of elements (around the # 220) many of the so called super heavies become essentially as stable as those like hydrogen or oxygen and have a very low rate of decay as naquada is still being found on planets and in massive enough quantities the rate of decay would have to be low therefore the atomic # assigned to naquada would have to be somewhere in the mid 200' to the low 300's
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    where did you read that?

    last time i checked, physicists theorised that about atomic number 174 or so, atoms simply can not exist due to the relativistic effects.

    but we don;t really know

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    A couple of possible answers to keep the SGU storyline coherent:

    1. Theoretically there are more 'islands of stability' in the periodic table. These special 'transuranic' elements exist in theory just not on earth (yet). Naquadah could be among them.

    More here:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-of-stability/

    And a further 2nd island is theorised:
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-nse031108.php

    Some elements are predicted already by the periodic table and can be recreated in a lab, but may also exist in large quantities on other worlds or in stars. These elements may be more stable in larger quantities or in a compound form (ie mineral) but we can't make sufficient quantities to verify this.

    Assuming they're potentially incredible energy sources it would follow that you couldn't be able to synthesise these in large enough quantities on earth to be useful - so I guess we should go asteroid/comet mining or check out some of our solar system planets and planetoids.

    2. ISTR it was explained in one episode that the Goa'uld had strip mined earth of Naquadah long before serious civilisations evolved so we would never have had the chance to utilise it ourselves without the Stargate program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xajin View Post
    A couple of possible answers to keep the SGU storyline coherent:

    1. Theoretically there are more 'islands of stability' in the periodic table. These special 'transuranic' elements exist in theory just not on earth (yet). Naquadah could be among them.

    More here:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-of-stability/

    And a further 2nd island is theorised:
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-nse031108.php

    Some elements are predicted already by the periodic table and can be recreated in a lab, but may also exist in large quantities on other worlds or in stars. These elements may be more stable in larger quantities or in a compound form (ie mineral) but we can't make sufficient quantities to verify this.

    Assuming they're potentially incredible energy sources it would follow that you couldn't be able to synthesise these in large enough quantities on earth to be useful - so I guess we should go asteroid/comet mining or check out some of our solar system planets and planetoids.

    2. ISTR it was explained in one episode that the Goa'uld had strip mined earth of Naquadah long before serious civilisations evolved so we would never have had the chance to utilise it ourselves without the Stargate program.
    Here's a twist- Oganesson aka as element 118, doesn't have the classic 1950s
    organization of electrons- orbiting a nucleus.

    https://physics.aps.org/articles/v11/10

    instead, it's a quasi liquid drop of electron-proton-neutron soup.

    Guess science fact is weirder than science fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal_S View Post
    Here's a twist- Oganesson aka as element 118, doesn't have the classic 1950s
    organization of electrons- orbiting a nucleus.
    The electrons still orbit the nucleus. In light elements the orbits of are arranged in shell structures with distinct energy levels. Such a shell structure would apparently not exist in Organesson, as the electrons are basically a disorganized cloud around an equally disorganized core. The article suggests this is because so many electrons are undergoing interactions with each other which prevents them from settling into neat shells.

    The core has an irregular structure because electrostatic repulsion is so strong, that no real structure can form. Which is also why it wouldn't exist for very long.

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