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    maybe goa'uld techniscians have made an computer algorithm to search for possible repositories because u only have to know the gate locations, star constellations and the naquadah element
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    Default Re: Atomic Weight of Naquadah

    Going back to the original topic adressing the fact that these very heavy elements appear to be so unstable that they can only be created in a lab for a very short time:

    I have heard of a theory, prior to Stargate, that at some point, these heavy elements become stable again (some large atomic number) and therfore they can exist by themselves indefinately (i.e. they don't breakdown in a few milli or microseconds). Therefore, if this is correct, it is entirely possible that Naquada ha a large enough atomic weight that it is stable.


    EDIT: That doesn't sound like it should. OK, when I said they "become stable again" I don't mean that element 123 eventually becomes stable on it's own, I mean that as you go up the "theoretical periodic table of elements" the elements become unstable and then become stable again (say 160 or 170, I don't know an exact number). Therfore, if Naquada has a large enough atomic number, than maybe it is stable and can exist for very long periods of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice
    Nope, not necessarily. Besides the fact that Nh is referred to numerous times as an element, Naquadriah could very well be an unstable isotope of it. (Or it could be some form of compound, but an unstable isotope seems more likely to me.) As an isotope, it could have its own name (and even chemical symbol); Deuterium (a hydrogen isotope; D) does, after all. Howabout Nh for naquadah, and Nq for Naquadria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Prophet
    If we're talking about a mineral then refining would be freeing from impurities. Raw naquadah might well be an ore, in which case it would be a compound, not dissimilar to haematite, or simply a mixture of naquadah and assorted impurities.

    Naquadriah would have the same atomic number as naquadah, but most likely a higher atomic weight, since the description of it is most compatible with an unstable isotope, rather than a separate element.

    Finally, remember that naquadah makes a tragic mockery of about 90% of conventional physical laws.
    I agree, especially about naquadriah being an unstable isotope of naquadah.
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    I have this document that I found ages ago that went into alot of scientific detail on where naquadah fits into the periodic table and such. I have no idea who authored it (not me lol, It's quite abit beyond my year10 chemistry class ). Its kinda old now, but it might interesting to some of you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Dark
    I have this document that I found ages ago that went into alot of scientific detail on where naquadah fits into the periodic table and such. I have no idea who authored it (not me lol, It's quite abit beyond my year10 chemistry class ). Its kinda old now, but it might interesting to some of you guys.

    Stargate Theories.doc
    Oooh! Cool. Thanks. Any idea what message board it was first posted to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice
    Oooh! Cool. Thanks. Any idea what message board it was first posted to?
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    How can an atom with an atomic weight of 160 be stable? How would the nucleus keep all those electrons in?? The shielding effect of the protons only goes so far

    And thanks for the Stargate Theories, its interesting but since I'm only in my first year of Chem A level, I think I'll read it next year.
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    that...stargate theories thing was cool...but man someone has waaay too much time on their hands hahaha.

    i dunno...i've heard the rumors about elements being stable once again in the high numbers, i was a chemistry major for a couple of years but i really dont remember much of it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tok'Ra Hostess
    Exactly. Assuming that there ever was naq in our solar system, which, according to show canon, there is not, and assuming the Ancients were somehow able to mine every last gram of the stuff from Earth, more would have eventually made its way to the surface of planets from the crucible of Earth's core in the millions of years since the Ancients would have stopped mining it here. This very fact proves, to me, at least, that the Ancients are not native to Earth.
    why does that prove they are not native to earth? just because they didnt get naquidah from earth doesnt mean they didnt come from here, the stargates were made well after the ancients had faster than light engines etc to be able to place the stargates around the galaxy, and there for they could have found naquidah on a different planet while just exploring
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steam
    ..., the stargates were made well after the ancients had faster than light engines etc to be able to place the stargates around the galaxy,...
    Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by McKay's girl
    How can an atom with an atomic weight of 160 be stable? How would the nucleus keep all those electrons in?? The shielding effect of the protons only goes so far
    It was just a theory I heard once in physics class, I'm not saying it's true, but right now we can't prove it one way or another. I don't know who to believe more, a physicist or a chemist, but the EE in me would want to trust a quantum physicist more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tok'Ra Hostess
    Really?
    well of course, how else would they have been able to plant the stargates on different planets, they cant gate to a planet and put a gate there, they would have to have ships that could travel huge distances in the first place, the gate system was basicly a shortcut for the ancients
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steam
    well of course, how else would they have been able to plant the stargates on different planets, they cant gate to a planet and put a gate there, they would have to have ships that could travel huge distances in the first place, the gate system was basicly a shortcut for the ancients
    Ah, but just because we don't know "how else" doesn't mean that there isn't... a... how else.

    Does it?

    It's like saying that no one could have populated the Pacific islands without large ocean-going vessels, or that the only way to get to the Americas from Eurasia was by ship, whereas in actual fact all these land masses held quite healthy populations long before large ocean-going vessels ever touched their shores.

    By "really?" I meant was there an ep where what you state is mentioned?
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    Heh, I'm surprised nobody's made the Element 115 reference yet. It's used in UFO mythology a lot, as a power source for interstellar travel. As far as I recall, it's theorized to be a stable element (i.e., non-radioactive) but capable of unleashing vast amounts of energy. Sounds like a ringer for that magic black stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tok'Ra Hostess
    Exactly. Assuming that there ever was naq in our solar system, which, according to show canon, there is not, and assuming the Ancients were somehow able to mine every last gram of the stuff from Earth, more would have eventually made its way to the surface of planets from the crucible of Earth's core in the millions of years since the Ancients would have stopped mining it here. This very fact proves, to me, at least, that the Ancients are not native to Earth.
    Nq doesnt have to have originated on Earth, it couldve arrived on Earth via a comet millions/billions of years ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Excali5033
    Heh, I'm surprised nobody's made the Element 115 reference yet. It's used in UFO mythology a lot, as a power source for interstellar travel. As far as I recall, it's theorized to be a stable element (i.e., non-radioactive) but capable of unleashing vast amounts of energy. Sounds like a ringer for that magic black stuff.
    And while we're on it, does anyone think BSG's Tyllium is their name for Naquadah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McKay's girl
    Nq doesnt have to have originated on Earth, it couldve arrived on Earth via a comet millions/billions of years ago.
    The Sudbury impact crater is 4 billion years old. It's huge, you can see it easily from satalite and we're still mining its mineral riches after 200 years. Eventually we may mine it dry, but evidence of its existence would still be there even if our descendants filled in the hole. Why? Because of the way that the heat and pressure of the impact changed the structure of the native soil structure.

    If there was a naq asteroid impact on Earth we would have found evidence of it, even if the Ancients had mined it clean of naq.
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    Remeber we dont know if it is called Naquadah thats what the Goa'ulds called it, for all we know that could be a translation of an Ancient (Alteran) Word, after all the gate has naquadah in it and that was made by the Ancients

    (Maybe we should go back in time and ask! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMForeman
    And while we're on it, does anyone think BSG's Tyllium is their name for Naquadah?
    It's all just isotopes of Plotnium.
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