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    Quote Originally Posted by dosed150 View Post
    I think the perception of people who call themselves english instead of british tends to be that their the wrong kind of nationalist, whereas scottish or welsh people who dont refer to themselves as British it seems more acceptable and not really racist

    although when people say their english, scottish etc not british i like to remind them they must not be wanting their british passports
    I think that a lot of English people don't differentiate between being referred to as English or British as the majority of them see Britain as being English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcarusAbides View Post
    the majority of them see Britain as being English.
    Which is okay, but when other countries think the same it really does piss off people from the other parts of the UK.

    I get annoyed when people think that Scotland is part of England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanith0709 View Post
    Which is okay, but when other countries think the same it really does piss off people from the other parts of the UK.

    I get annoyed when people think that Scotland is part of England.
    I'm not sure it is okay really but it's the way most people are, I can understand why people from Scotland and Wales are constantly annoyed by this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    Quick run down on how the UK works it's a bit complex as we haven't had a clean slate constitutionally since well 1066 compounded by the fact non of it is written down

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

    That vid does skip of the complexities of the crown that's some pedantic insanity you could spend an hour on and will probably upset people with strong opinions on Irish terminology as that's contentious you could spend hours on it.
    This should show that British national identity is totally incomprehensible the only hard rule is dont mix the home nations eg dont call a welsh person English or any other combination.


    On Tea very popular one of those reasonably deserved stereotypes
    Did you get all that then. Parts of it were quite funny

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanith0709 View Post
    lol, I'd have a similar reaction. I tend to find that Scotland tends to be more nationalist than the other parts of the UK and would put you right immediately if anyone called us English.
    They'd probably get a Glesga' kiss for their trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by dosed150 View Post
    I think the perception of people who call themselves english instead of british tends to be that their the wrong kind of nationalist, whereas scottish or welsh people who dont refer to themselves as British it seems more acceptable and not really racist

    although when people say their english, scottish etc not british i like to remind them they must not be wanting their british passports
    I don't have a passport


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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda06 View Post
    Did you get all that then. Parts of it were quite funny



    They'd probably get a Glesga' kiss for their trouble



    I don't have a passport
    so youve never been to somewhere that doesnt rain all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosed150 View Post
    so youve never been to somewhere that doesnt rain all the time
    Nope I don't like the sun So you could say I'm in the right place


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    You lot should try being a colonial from a country that's not part of Britain. We've got to queue to get in and get grilled about why we're there and what we're doing and when we're leaving, we're not allowed to work without jumping through a thousand hoops and can't get the dole, but we're still lumbered with England's queen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahela View Post
    You lot should try being a colonial from a country that's not part of Britain. We've got to queue to get in and get grilled about why we're there and what we're doing and when we're leaving, we're not allowed to work without jumping through a thousand hoops and can't get the dole, but we're still lumbered with England's queen!
    *sigh* She's the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not England!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipsofjazz View Post
    *sigh* She's the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not England!
    I know, but the attitude in Australia tends to be "mother England and her Queen". It's odd.

    ETA. If we're going to get technical, isn't she the queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis?

    But this is getting wildly offtopic.

    I like tea. Black, 2 sugars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipsofjazz View Post
    *sigh* She's the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not England!
    To be honest I prefer to think of her as being the Queen of England (I'm sooooo not a royalist)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanith0709 View Post
    To be honest I prefer to think of her as being the Queen of England (I'm sooooo not a royalist)
    I don't care one way or the other about them, but the point was that we've just had many posts about how the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish don't like it when people think of the UK as England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipsofjazz View Post
    I don't care one way or the other about them, but the point was that we've just had many posts about how the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish don't like it when people think of the UK as England.
    Neither do I.

    I am English by birth, but it offends me when England is used synonymously with British.

    I consider myself British, and that means pride in all aspects of Britain, which includes the unique Welsh and Scottish cultures which I love.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Bennett View Post
    Neither do I.

    I am English by birth, but it offends me when England is used synonymously with British.

    I consider myself British, and that means pride in all aspects of Britain, which includes the unique Welsh and Scottish cultures which I love.
    I'm the same. I was born in Wales to a Scottish Dad and a Welsh mum. I consider myself British of Welsh/Scottish (or Scottish/Welsh) nationality. I too hate it when the WHOLE of the UK is referred to as England. It feels more difficult being in Wales. Like we're forgotten about sometimes and sometimes...ESPECIALLY with America...I think we need to speak up to remind people we're here and not happy being under the "England" umbrella any more.

    I remember going to Spain once and the rep was seeing who from the coach staying at the hotel was from what part of the UK:

    REP: Do we have anyone from England?

    GUESTS: Yeah!!!

    REP: Anyone here from Scotland?

    GUESTS: Yeah!!!

    REP: Do we have anyone here from Ireland?

    GUESTS: Yeah!!!

    At this point the Rep continues and gives the usual hotel welcome spiel, the time dinner is served etc. And I'm sat there thinking (hopefully with several others) "Errr...aren't you forgetting somewhere?? Wales maybe??" Before I could speak out someone else did and raised the question. Hopefully the rep won't make that mistake again. As I said above...it feels more difficult being in Wales and that we need to shout sometimes to remind people Wales does exist and that it most certainly does not fall under the "England" umbrella just as Scotland and Ireland don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    At this point the Rep continues and gives the usual hotel welcome spiel, the time dinner is served etc. And I'm sat there thinking (hopefully with several others) "Errr...aren't you forgetting somewhere?? Wales maybe??" Before I could speak out someone else did and raised the question. Hopefully the rep won't make that mistake again. As I said above...it feels more difficult being in Wales and that we need to shout sometimes to remind people Wales does exist and that it most certainly does not fall under the "England" umbrella just as Scotland and Ireland don't.
    I didn't understand Wales to be a separate country (or whatever) until the last few years and the whole thing (with all the countries being part of one country ) is still a little confusing to me but I kind of get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spimman View Post
    I didn't understand Wales to be a separate country (or whatever) until the last few years and the whole thing (with all the countries being part of one country ) is still a little confusing to me but I kind of get it.
    Thank you and I'm glad. I think its a good help for Wales, Scotland, and England (not so much Ireland I don't think) when explaining to others outside the UK that referring to the whole island as "England" is completely and utterly wrong. I have a friend in the US and I explained to them when we first started talking that Wales isn't in England it is in the UK just as England is also in the UK. Hopefully when anybody asks my American friend "hows your English friend?" they will correct them and with myself and other Brits hopefully explaining to others on-line in forums like this it will get people to spread the word to their friends where they live too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Thank you and I'm glad. I think its a good help for Wales, Scotland, and England (not so much Ireland I don't think) when explaining to others outside the UK that referring to the whole island as "England" is completely and utterly wrong. I have a friend in the US and I explained to them when we first started talking that Wales isn't in England it is in the UK just as England is also in the UK. Hopefully when anybody asks my American friend "hows your English friend?" they will correct them and with myself and other Brits hopefully explaining to others on-line in forums like this it will get people to spread the word to their friends where they live too.
    Though am I not correct in saying that Wales is, in fact, not a country, but a principality?

    And that's not me trying to put it down. I love Wales with all my heart, wish I still lived there. It's my favourite component of Britain, and where I consider 'home', if home is where the heart is...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Bennett View Post
    Though am I not correct in saying that Wales is, in fact, not a country, but a principality?

    And that's not me trying to put it down. I love Wales with all my heart, wish I still lived there. It's my favourite component of Britain, and where I consider 'home', if home is where the heart is...
    I think its been said by the Welsh Assembly and the British government that even though it is connected to England and part of the UK, Wales is a country in its own right.
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    Is the United Kingdom a(the) country? If so are England, Wales, Scottland...all countries as well? Counties within a country? This is where my head starts to hurt.

    On a side note, assuming Gwen has a true Welsh accent...I love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spimman View Post
    Is the United Kingdom a(the) country? If so are England, Wales, Scottland...all countries as well? Counties within a country? This is where my head starts to hurt.

    On a side note, assuming Gwen has a true Welsh accent...I love it!
    The United Kingdom is four countries; England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. England, Scotland and Wales are collectively known as Great Britain, which excludes Northern Ireland, as Northern Ireland isn't connected to the same landmass that makes up the other three.

    Also, it is a real Welsh accent.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberBlade View Post
    The United Kingdom is four countries; England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. England, Scotland and Wales are collectively known as Great Britain, which excludes Northern Ireland, as Northern Ireland isn't connected to the same landmass that makes up the other three.

    Also, it is a real Welsh accent.
    So then what exactly is the United Kingdom, since it isn't a country? Does this really come down to vocabulary?

    How is the United States different from the United Kingdom? We called ours states and you call yours countries? Other than the vocabulary is there much of a difference?
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