Why 302s?

[Starsaber]

So, they couldn't beam soldiers directly into the Lucian Alliance pyramid because of beam shielding. That makes sense. So rather than beaming them down outside the pyramid, they used ships. I can buy that too if the beam shield extended for a distance around the base.

Where the problem comes in is that they used 302s to land the soldiers instead. That doesn't make much sense to me, because, even assuming that the 302 pilots were trained in infantry tactics, that's only 2 people per ship (1 each based on Jack saying they lost two men when the planet went up).

It's been 5 years since the last new Earth ship design (304). Even if they didn't go into detail, why couldn't they have shown a new troop lander ship with a few 302s as escorts?

[Nemises]

or they could have used the asgard beams to destroy the shields first.

[Major_Griff]

I was under the impression that they beamed troops down outside of the shielding. Carter says something like 'get the soldiers out of the base so we can beam them up' or something. I think the fighters were just for air support in the event that the LA had gliders.

[Gollumpus]

I assumed they were using the 302's to soften up the target while other troops were beamed down to the surface for a ground assault.

regards,
G.

[JustAnotherVoice]

Aren't all modern ground invasions preceded and supported by airstrikes? Why would invading/assaulting another planet be any different?

[BadOnion]

What I don't understand is why they didn't beam the pilots out of the 302s before they left.

[Starsaber]

Aren't all modern ground invasions preceded and supported by airstrikes? Why would invading/assaulting another planet be any different?

I don't have a problem with 302s being used for that role, but since they didn't talk about beaming troops down, I was under the impression they were landing troops using 302s, which then took off again as air support.

And if the 302s weren't on the ground, why couldn't they have beamed the pilots off them before jumping out?

[Major_Griff]

What I don't understand is why they didn't beam the pilots out of the 302s before they left.

For that matter they could have beamed the 302's back into the fighter bay.

[Zatnikitelman]

Maybe because transporting takes time and it looked like Sam didn't even have a second left to get the GH back into Hyperspace.

[JustAnotherVoice]

For that matter they could have beamed the 302's back into the fighter bay.

How is SG on the physics of beaming objects in motion? It's one of those things I don't pay attention to, but when situations like this come up, it's a noodle scratcher. Trying to beam a 302 in flight, back into the bay could end up pretty ugly if the object stays in motion after rematerialisation.

[erotavlas]

I thought the remaining 302's were still inside the shielded area and that was why Sam could not beam them out. Perhaps the shielded area was bigger than the area of the pyramid itself. Which is why they needed the 302's otherwise beaming ground troops outside the shield would mean a long walk, plus no air strike.

[Major_Griff]

How is SG on the physics of beaming objects in motion? It's one of those things I don't pay attention to, but when situations like this come up, it's a noodle scratcher. Trying to beam a 302 in flight, back into the bay could end up pretty ugly if the object stays in motion after rematerialisation.

Idk, in another thread someone said something about people on a planet are moving because the planet is rotating and orbit a star and they don't go flying when they beam to a ship moving a different speed. If you take that into account, there has to be some kind of motion stabilizer within the beaming technology. Also in Off the Grid SG-1 is sitting down and get beamed to Odyssey standing up, so it's not like beaming has always been realistic anyway.

[Stormtrooper]

What was the point in dispatching 302s to fire at the Lucian Alliance base? Did Carter want to blow up the planet? Because if she did, why not fire the Hammond's main weapons at the base and get the hell out of there?

What was it to Carter if the LA reached Destiny? For all intents and purposes, Destiny was prepared for their arrival (well, not so much, but you get the picture). So what was Carter's mission? Yeah, to seize control of the LA base in order to send qualified personnel and supplies to Destiny.

Mission accomplished? Well, not really

You know, Carter has to be the worst starship captain ever. TPTB are doing a disservice to the character by having her serve the plot in such idiotic ways.

It was also very convenient the complete absence of Ha'tak vessels in the vicinity to protect the LA base.

[somme]

She's couldn't beam the the pilots or the 302's out because they were still in the area shielded by the 'jamming' technology.

I thought her mission was to distract/take over the base as best she could whilst Destiny prepared for invasion. Or if Sam could take over the base, then well, that'd be all well and good.

TBTB haven't done her a disservice at all, it was just one of those times where the odds were stacked against her. Remember, not everything is win-able.

[JustAnotherVoice]

What was the point in dispatching 302s to fire at the Lucian Alliance base? Did Carter want to blow up the planet? Because if she did, why not fire the Hammond's main weapons at the base and get the hell out of there?

What was it to Carter if the LA reached Destiny? For all intents and purposes, Destiny was prepared for their arrival (well, not so much, but you get the picture). So what was Carter's mission? Yeah, to seize control of the LA base in order to send qualified personnel and supplies to Destiny.

Mission accomplished? Well, not really

You know, Carter has to be the worst starship captain ever. TPTB are doing a disservice to the character by having her serve the plot in such idiotic ways.

It was also very convenient the complete absence of Ha'tak vessels in the vicinity to protect the LA base.

Air superiority. 302s would be used to negate any potential Death Gliders the Alliance could have had. Beaming men outside of the interference grid only to have Gliders turn them into ash wouldn't have been all that great for the mission.

As for the worst starship captain ever:
Caldwell - had a Go'uld symbiot for a while, and nearly got away with blowing up Atlantis.
Landry - Unending 'nuff said.
Ellis - nuked the Asurans, missed a few, and REALLY pissed them off, and nearly lost Atlantis in the subsequent escape.
Ronson - ejected an unstable drive core and EMP'd half a planet, nearly losing his ship and making Earth ANOTHER enemy in the process.
Pendergast - went crosseyed listening to Jackson and waited until the satellite's shields went up before firing(Ethon), leading to the Ori gaining ground in the MW.